rhino 0 #1 September 27, 2005 I'd be SHOCKED if the government is stupid enough to release that information. If they are killed and or especially captured the CIA will control them like puppets. They are more valuable to the intelligence community if the world and especially Al-Queda thinks they are alive and well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #2 September 27, 2005 If killed, I think the news would come out right away. If captured, probably as well. If nothing else, capturing them would be major political brownie points for whoever is in the White House at the time. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
avenfoto 0 #3 September 27, 2005 agreed... minus the caps on never, and the confrontational tone... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #4 September 27, 2005 >If they are killed and or especially captured the CIA will control them like puppets. Killed then controlled like puppets - don't you think the smell will give them away after a while? And the strings would be a dead giveaway. Captured then controlled like puppets - how do you know they haven't done this already? Then they could launch 9/11 like attacks and overthrow the evil US government and install a more CIA-friendly regime. I think I saw a movie like this once! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #5 September 27, 2005 Quote>If they are killed and or especially captured the CIA will control them like puppets. Killed then controlled like puppets - don't you think the smell will give them away after a while? And the strings would be a dead giveaway. Quote He said "and/or" ... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #6 September 27, 2005 Quote>If they are killed and or especially captured the CIA will control them like puppets. Killed then controlled like puppets - don't you think the smell will give them away after a while? And the strings would be a dead giveaway. Captured then controlled like puppets - how do you know they haven't done this already? Then they could launch 9/11 like attacks and overthrow the evil US government and install a more CIA-friendly regime. I think I saw a movie like this once! Like "Weekend at Bernie's" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #7 September 27, 2005 Like "Weekend at Bernie's" *** bah!!! can't you just see GI's stapling bin laden's turbine back on his head, like they did to bernie's tupee? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #8 September 27, 2005 yes, there would be big pressure on Bush to tout Mission Accomplished again if forces caught bin laden. But strategically, it's better for their leader to silently disappear. Takes longer for a new leader to fill the vacuum, doesn't encourage reprisals or hostage taking to demand an exchange for. And no need for a trial. Plus the US can then do lots of propoganda about him being a coward. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #9 September 27, 2005 File one more up to the interesting category....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #10 September 27, 2005 >can't you just see GI's stapling bin laden's turbine back on his head . . He has a turbine on his head? No wonder we can't catch him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #11 September 28, 2005 Quote>can't you just see GI's stapling bin laden's turbine back on his head . . He has a turbine on his head? No wonder we can't catch him. From http://www.cedarhills.org/government/planning_commission/minutes/PC%20June%2013,%202002.htm REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING Thursday, June 13, 2002 7:00 p.m. Public Safety Building 3925 W Cedar Hills Drive, Cedar Hills, Utah ...... "5. Presentation by Utah Power and Light Regarding Their Overall Plan (7:13 p.m.) Ken Shortt reviewed the Fundamentals of Power Delivery. Utah County is serviced from Spanish Fork. Typically there is enough main grid transmission that if one line is lost anywhere in the system the customers will not be affected. All distribution substations are fed from a couple of directions so if one is lost the customer is not affected. The power problems in California last year were due to a loss of resources and other numerous things. Power is similar to water, it finds the best path. Power in this area is generated by coal, hydro-electric geothermal, wind or gas turban. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #12 September 28, 2005 Quote>can't you just see GI's stapling bin laden's turbine back on his head . . He has a turbine on his head? No wonder we can't catch him. good lord I'm such a dork wait I can personally attack myself can't I? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #13 September 28, 2005 QuoteLike "Weekend at Bernie's" ok... who's gonna photoshop Bin Laden into the waterskiing scene? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AlexCrowley 0 #14 September 28, 2005 Martyring them would seem to be counter productive. Capturing them and having them do tv commercials for beer companies and starring in Queer Eye for the Jihad Guy might be more a more effective tool for demoralizing the enemy. Follow that up with touring on the adult night club circuit as headliners for Naked Bimbo Bacon Grease Wrestling and I think think Al Quaida would run out of steam rather quickly. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #15 September 28, 2005 QuoteQueer Eye for the Jihad Guy LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #16 September 28, 2005 >in Queer Eye for the Jihad Guy . . . . There really was a sitcom proposal brought to a network called "The Cell" which was a show about an incompetent terrorist cell in Chicago. Truth, as usual, is stranger than fiction. From an article about it: ----------------- Here are a few highlights from the hottest Hollywood script you will most likely never see produced on a television or movie screen: • Abu, Ahmed, Musab and Salar, a cell of Islamic terrorists sent to Chicago by a nefarious network resembling Al Qaeda, are getting chewed out by their murderous boss, just in from Afghanistan. (They have been spending the organization's money like crazy but haven't blown anything up.) Just then, two deliverymen knock on the apartment door, bearing a huge flat-screen TV. • Ahmed, whose cover is a job as a bike messenger, falls in love with a neighborhood florist - who turns out to be Jewish - but can't get up the nerve to ask her out. "You're bright, you're funny, you're talented," Musab says, urging his comrade on. "Who made the best nail bomb in training camp? You did!" • Abu blends in by joining a bowling team, and becomes a fanatic: "We will dance in the blood of the losers from Hal's Body and Paint Shop!" he vows. But he is a hapless terrorist. A fertilizer bomb in his trunk accidentally goes off outside when he is bowling for the league championship - toppling his last two pins and clinching victory. "The Cell," as this exercise in envelope-pushing is titled, has been making its way through Hollywood for more than a year, cracking up development executives and their assistants, being passed from friend to friend like an underground newspaper behind the Iron Curtain, and winning its creators, Mark Jordan Legan and Mark F. Wilding, scores of meetings and three other writing assignments. ----------------------------- Now, my first thought was that there's no way a network would ever air something like this. But then I thought of Hogan's Heroes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AlexCrowley 0 #17 September 29, 2005 In the UK there was 'Allo 'Allo, which dealt with the French occupation. However, I do want to see The Cell, it sounds like my kind of show. The WWF/E just dropped a storyline about an arab american wrestler due to pressure from ...oh, the entire universe, after a mock terrorist attack and various other jihad inspired japes. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #18 September 29, 2005 This guy just lost his job. Sometimes, there's just nobody stupider than people. QuoteHOUSTON - Bassam Khalaf was paid to help keep U.S. air travel safe as a baggage screener. His alter ego, the “Arabic Assassin,” rapped about flying a plane into a building. The Transportation Security Administration could not reconcile the two and fired him last week, saying his free speech rights as an aspiring rap singer did not extend to a right to check luggage at Houston Intercontinental Airport. “I was one of the ones screening the bags thoroughly,” Khalaf said Friday. “I wouldn’t let a bomb get on a plane.” QuoteHe also was the self-proclaimed Arabic Assassin, who didn’t do songs about love but preferred to sing about killing, raping and blowing things up. From one of his songs: “My name is Bassam, a one-man band, I came from sand, affiliated with the Taliban.” QuoteInstead, the TSA fired Khalaf, 21, after six months on the job and gave his name to other federal agencies for investigation, spokeswoman Andrea McCauley said. Quote"There is a certain level of integrity employees are asked to maintain,” she said. “He’s been tasked with protecting the very people he’s talking about harming.” “We wonder what the public would think if we didn’t fire him,” she said. If I even joke about flying a plane into a building while at an airport, my life would become very unpleasant. This guy sings about it and wants to keep his job. Free speech doesn't allow you to yell "FIRE" in a crowded movie theater either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #19 September 29, 2005 Quote This guy just lost his job. Sometimes, there's just nobody stupider than people. QuoteHOUSTON - Bassam Khalaf was paid to help keep U.S. air travel safe as a baggage screener. His alter ego, the “Arabic Assassin,” rapped about flying a plane into a building. The Transportation Security Administration could not reconcile the two and fired him last week, saying his free speech rights as an aspiring rap singer did not extend to a right to check luggage at Houston Intercontinental Airport. “I was one of the ones screening the bags thoroughly,” Khalaf said Friday. “I wouldn’t let a bomb get on a plane.” QuoteHe also was the self-proclaimed Arabic Assassin, who didn’t do songs about love but preferred to sing about killing, raping and blowing things up. From one of his songs: “My name is Bassam, a one-man band, I came from sand, affiliated with the Taliban.” QuoteInstead, the TSA fired Khalaf, 21, after six months on the job and gave his name to other federal agencies for investigation, spokeswoman Andrea McCauley said. Quote"There is a certain level of integrity employees are asked to maintain,” she said. “He’s been tasked with protecting the very people he’s talking about harming.” “We wonder what the public would think if we didn’t fire him,” she said. If I even joke about flying a plane into a building while at an airport, my life would become very unpleasant. This guy sings about it and wants to keep his job. Free speech doesn't allow you to yell "FIRE" in a crowded movie theater either. But The Doors could sing Light My Fire in a crowded theater.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #20 September 29, 2005 >If I even joke about flying a plane into a building while at an airport . . Dude, you just posted about it on a very public forum. If the rules applied to this guy are applied to you, then you're screwed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #21 September 29, 2005 Quote>If I even joke about flying a plane into a building while at an airport . . Dude, you just posted about it on a very public forum. If the rules applied to this guy are applied to you, then you're screwed. But I don't. I don't joke about bombs, etc in an airport. This guy worked as a baggage-handler at the airport. Sometimes, the mindless support of this type of behaviour just seems mindless. This is one of those times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #22 September 29, 2005 >But I don't. I don't joke about bombs, etc in an airport. Neither did he. He sang about it outside of work. You posted about it outside of work. >Sometimes, the mindless support of this type of behaviour just seems >mindless. Dude, you just posted about "flying a plane into a building." Although to be fair, in your case, you would just end up on the no-fly list for advocating terrorism. Sometimes, the intentional blindness of people is remarkable. In many cases, they cannot understand something until it happens to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #23 September 29, 2005 You just bridged a logical gulf that makes a 6-lane bridge to Hawaii pale by comparison. Supporting the right of someone to carry baggage and advocate rape and terrorism is about the unrealistic idea that I have ever heard of. It is so far beyond reason that a discussion based in reason is impossible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #24 September 29, 2005 QuoteYou just bridged a logical gulf that makes a 6-lane bridge to Hawaii pale by comparison. Supporting the right of someone to carry baggage and advocate rape and terrorism is about the unrealistic idea that I have ever heard of. It is so far beyond reason that a discussion based in reason is impossible. Is it advocacy to sing about something? Does singing "Dixie" advocate revolutionary overthrow of the US government? How about "Revolution", "Street Fighting Man", "Sympathy for the Devil", and most of Bob Dylan's stuff from the '60s?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #25 September 29, 2005 It is now regarded as dangerous when students talk about killing their classmates while not in school. If a postal worker is not at work, but speaks of coming to work and killing their co-workers, that is dangerous. If an airline employee talks about killing airline passengers when not at work, that is dangerous. There are many instances where society protects itself from perceived threats. This is one of them and valid. Oh, and singing Dixie is ok because the South has risen. 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Gravitymaster 0 #6 September 27, 2005 Quote>If they are killed and or especially captured the CIA will control them like puppets. Killed then controlled like puppets - don't you think the smell will give them away after a while? And the strings would be a dead giveaway. Captured then controlled like puppets - how do you know they haven't done this already? Then they could launch 9/11 like attacks and overthrow the evil US government and install a more CIA-friendly regime. I think I saw a movie like this once! Like "Weekend at Bernie's" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #7 September 27, 2005 Like "Weekend at Bernie's" *** bah!!! can't you just see GI's stapling bin laden's turbine back on his head, like they did to bernie's tupee? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #8 September 27, 2005 yes, there would be big pressure on Bush to tout Mission Accomplished again if forces caught bin laden. But strategically, it's better for their leader to silently disappear. Takes longer for a new leader to fill the vacuum, doesn't encourage reprisals or hostage taking to demand an exchange for. And no need for a trial. Plus the US can then do lots of propoganda about him being a coward. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #9 September 27, 2005 File one more up to the interesting category....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #10 September 27, 2005 >can't you just see GI's stapling bin laden's turbine back on his head . . He has a turbine on his head? No wonder we can't catch him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #11 September 28, 2005 Quote>can't you just see GI's stapling bin laden's turbine back on his head . . He has a turbine on his head? No wonder we can't catch him. From http://www.cedarhills.org/government/planning_commission/minutes/PC%20June%2013,%202002.htm REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING Thursday, June 13, 2002 7:00 p.m. Public Safety Building 3925 W Cedar Hills Drive, Cedar Hills, Utah ...... "5. Presentation by Utah Power and Light Regarding Their Overall Plan (7:13 p.m.) Ken Shortt reviewed the Fundamentals of Power Delivery. Utah County is serviced from Spanish Fork. Typically there is enough main grid transmission that if one line is lost anywhere in the system the customers will not be affected. All distribution substations are fed from a couple of directions so if one is lost the customer is not affected. The power problems in California last year were due to a loss of resources and other numerous things. Power is similar to water, it finds the best path. Power in this area is generated by coal, hydro-electric geothermal, wind or gas turban. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #12 September 28, 2005 Quote>can't you just see GI's stapling bin laden's turbine back on his head . . He has a turbine on his head? No wonder we can't catch him. good lord I'm such a dork wait I can personally attack myself can't I? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #13 September 28, 2005 QuoteLike "Weekend at Bernie's" ok... who's gonna photoshop Bin Laden into the waterskiing scene? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #14 September 28, 2005 Martyring them would seem to be counter productive. Capturing them and having them do tv commercials for beer companies and starring in Queer Eye for the Jihad Guy might be more a more effective tool for demoralizing the enemy. Follow that up with touring on the adult night club circuit as headliners for Naked Bimbo Bacon Grease Wrestling and I think think Al Quaida would run out of steam rather quickly. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #15 September 28, 2005 QuoteQueer Eye for the Jihad Guy LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #16 September 28, 2005 >in Queer Eye for the Jihad Guy . . . . There really was a sitcom proposal brought to a network called "The Cell" which was a show about an incompetent terrorist cell in Chicago. Truth, as usual, is stranger than fiction. From an article about it: ----------------- Here are a few highlights from the hottest Hollywood script you will most likely never see produced on a television or movie screen: • Abu, Ahmed, Musab and Salar, a cell of Islamic terrorists sent to Chicago by a nefarious network resembling Al Qaeda, are getting chewed out by their murderous boss, just in from Afghanistan. (They have been spending the organization's money like crazy but haven't blown anything up.) Just then, two deliverymen knock on the apartment door, bearing a huge flat-screen TV. • Ahmed, whose cover is a job as a bike messenger, falls in love with a neighborhood florist - who turns out to be Jewish - but can't get up the nerve to ask her out. "You're bright, you're funny, you're talented," Musab says, urging his comrade on. "Who made the best nail bomb in training camp? You did!" • Abu blends in by joining a bowling team, and becomes a fanatic: "We will dance in the blood of the losers from Hal's Body and Paint Shop!" he vows. But he is a hapless terrorist. A fertilizer bomb in his trunk accidentally goes off outside when he is bowling for the league championship - toppling his last two pins and clinching victory. "The Cell," as this exercise in envelope-pushing is titled, has been making its way through Hollywood for more than a year, cracking up development executives and their assistants, being passed from friend to friend like an underground newspaper behind the Iron Curtain, and winning its creators, Mark Jordan Legan and Mark F. Wilding, scores of meetings and three other writing assignments. ----------------------------- Now, my first thought was that there's no way a network would ever air something like this. But then I thought of Hogan's Heroes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #17 September 29, 2005 In the UK there was 'Allo 'Allo, which dealt with the French occupation. However, I do want to see The Cell, it sounds like my kind of show. The WWF/E just dropped a storyline about an arab american wrestler due to pressure from ...oh, the entire universe, after a mock terrorist attack and various other jihad inspired japes. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #18 September 29, 2005 This guy just lost his job. Sometimes, there's just nobody stupider than people. QuoteHOUSTON - Bassam Khalaf was paid to help keep U.S. air travel safe as a baggage screener. His alter ego, the “Arabic Assassin,” rapped about flying a plane into a building. The Transportation Security Administration could not reconcile the two and fired him last week, saying his free speech rights as an aspiring rap singer did not extend to a right to check luggage at Houston Intercontinental Airport. “I was one of the ones screening the bags thoroughly,” Khalaf said Friday. “I wouldn’t let a bomb get on a plane.” QuoteHe also was the self-proclaimed Arabic Assassin, who didn’t do songs about love but preferred to sing about killing, raping and blowing things up. From one of his songs: “My name is Bassam, a one-man band, I came from sand, affiliated with the Taliban.” QuoteInstead, the TSA fired Khalaf, 21, after six months on the job and gave his name to other federal agencies for investigation, spokeswoman Andrea McCauley said. Quote"There is a certain level of integrity employees are asked to maintain,” she said. “He’s been tasked with protecting the very people he’s talking about harming.” “We wonder what the public would think if we didn’t fire him,” she said. If I even joke about flying a plane into a building while at an airport, my life would become very unpleasant. This guy sings about it and wants to keep his job. Free speech doesn't allow you to yell "FIRE" in a crowded movie theater either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #19 September 29, 2005 Quote This guy just lost his job. Sometimes, there's just nobody stupider than people. QuoteHOUSTON - Bassam Khalaf was paid to help keep U.S. air travel safe as a baggage screener. His alter ego, the “Arabic Assassin,” rapped about flying a plane into a building. The Transportation Security Administration could not reconcile the two and fired him last week, saying his free speech rights as an aspiring rap singer did not extend to a right to check luggage at Houston Intercontinental Airport. “I was one of the ones screening the bags thoroughly,” Khalaf said Friday. “I wouldn’t let a bomb get on a plane.” QuoteHe also was the self-proclaimed Arabic Assassin, who didn’t do songs about love but preferred to sing about killing, raping and blowing things up. From one of his songs: “My name is Bassam, a one-man band, I came from sand, affiliated with the Taliban.” QuoteInstead, the TSA fired Khalaf, 21, after six months on the job and gave his name to other federal agencies for investigation, spokeswoman Andrea McCauley said. Quote"There is a certain level of integrity employees are asked to maintain,” she said. “He’s been tasked with protecting the very people he’s talking about harming.” “We wonder what the public would think if we didn’t fire him,” she said. If I even joke about flying a plane into a building while at an airport, my life would become very unpleasant. This guy sings about it and wants to keep his job. Free speech doesn't allow you to yell "FIRE" in a crowded movie theater either. But The Doors could sing Light My Fire in a crowded theater.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #20 September 29, 2005 >If I even joke about flying a plane into a building while at an airport . . Dude, you just posted about it on a very public forum. If the rules applied to this guy are applied to you, then you're screwed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #21 September 29, 2005 Quote>If I even joke about flying a plane into a building while at an airport . . Dude, you just posted about it on a very public forum. If the rules applied to this guy are applied to you, then you're screwed. But I don't. I don't joke about bombs, etc in an airport. This guy worked as a baggage-handler at the airport. Sometimes, the mindless support of this type of behaviour just seems mindless. This is one of those times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #22 September 29, 2005 >But I don't. I don't joke about bombs, etc in an airport. Neither did he. He sang about it outside of work. You posted about it outside of work. >Sometimes, the mindless support of this type of behaviour just seems >mindless. Dude, you just posted about "flying a plane into a building." Although to be fair, in your case, you would just end up on the no-fly list for advocating terrorism. Sometimes, the intentional blindness of people is remarkable. In many cases, they cannot understand something until it happens to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #23 September 29, 2005 You just bridged a logical gulf that makes a 6-lane bridge to Hawaii pale by comparison. Supporting the right of someone to carry baggage and advocate rape and terrorism is about the unrealistic idea that I have ever heard of. It is so far beyond reason that a discussion based in reason is impossible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #24 September 29, 2005 QuoteYou just bridged a logical gulf that makes a 6-lane bridge to Hawaii pale by comparison. Supporting the right of someone to carry baggage and advocate rape and terrorism is about the unrealistic idea that I have ever heard of. It is so far beyond reason that a discussion based in reason is impossible. Is it advocacy to sing about something? Does singing "Dixie" advocate revolutionary overthrow of the US government? How about "Revolution", "Street Fighting Man", "Sympathy for the Devil", and most of Bob Dylan's stuff from the '60s?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #25 September 29, 2005 It is now regarded as dangerous when students talk about killing their classmates while not in school. If a postal worker is not at work, but speaks of coming to work and killing their co-workers, that is dangerous. If an airline employee talks about killing airline passengers when not at work, that is dangerous. There are many instances where society protects itself from perceived threats. This is one of them and valid. Oh, and singing Dixie is ok because the South has risen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
