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I think there is a big difference in comparing a whole nation to a Shit Stain. Then calling a racists a racist.




Edit Just to add:
An Ignorant white person who is a racist is who I call white trash or a Redneck.

Big difference then calling all white people white trash.
I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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I'm not for or against any religion as long as that religion doesn't promote hate or violence. Believe me if there was a church down the street from me that had a minister who was telling his parishiners to go out and kill anyone, I'd have a big problem with it even though I'd respect his right to say what he wants.

I'm not being tolorant of racism towards Iraqis, I'm just questioning how you call him ignorant when he has obviously formed an opinion based on being in Iraq and seeing whats going on daily. I'm sure his perspective is better than yours or mine. You may find his references to peoples skin color offensive and that's understandable, but I wouldn't necessarily call offensive speech, ignorant.


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I just can’t believe that all Iraqis are shit stains who deserve to die.
It makes more since to me that this guy is an ignorant racist then every Iraqi or even the majority is a wife beating scumbag.
Let me make one more thing clear.
If Albert Einstein came out and said kill all the blacks I would call him ignorant as well no matter how smart he was.
I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Honestly, I had taken your comments as stereotyping caucasians living in mostly rural, below average income, communities in the United States, as racially biased.

I am a caucasian living in a mostly rural, below average income community in the United States. I even own an assault rifle. :P
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I am sorry dude I didn’t know we invaded Iraq so we can kill them all?



We didn't. Unfortunately, however, killing is one of the things tha must occur. We didn't go into Vietnam to kill everybody, but there sure was a lot of killing. With militaries, death and destruction is one of those things you see. And when in a situation where everyone is one edge it happens again, too.

You may wish to note that we are also dehumanized. We are called yankees, dogs, devils, etc. Do you think that is coincidental? Or do you think that there is a possibility that it is inherent. Suicide bombers don't kill women and children. They kill infidels, Israelis, etc.


My wife is hotter than your wife.

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I haven't read all the posts in this thread, I'm just going to put this out:

I'm going to bet that most, if not all the posters to this thread to date have not been, nor plan to go to Iraq...ever.

I will be there very shortly.

I have heard the best and the worst from people that have been to Iraq, and are not reporting to any agenda other than to ensure the safety of the men around them. From what I can gather of what I'll be doing over there, I will see the very worst and very best of it all wrapped up.

When I see what is happening with my own eyes, I will share what I can (without compromising security or course) and not sugar coat any of it. If it's bad, it will be bad. If it's good, it will be good.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Honestly, I had taken your comments as stereotyping caucasians living in mostly rural, below average income, communities in the United States, as racially biased.

I am a caucasian living in a mostly rural, below average income community in the United States. I even own an assault rifle. :P



Hey! Me too. I even have two dogs that sleep under my porch and a car on blocks.
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I haven't read all the posts in this thread, I'm just going to put this out:

I'm going to bet that most, if not all the posters to this thread to date have not been, nor plan to go to Iraq...ever.



I'm going to bet that most of you have heard of Skydive Arizona, but I'm going to bet that most, if not all the posters on this thread have never skydived there...ever. I will be there shortly. I have heard the best and worst from people who have met Greg Gasson, and are not reporting based on any agenda having seen the "no parachute" trick, or the "switching planes in mid-air" trick on the Good Stuff DVD.. From what I can gather I may see both the very best and worst of Arizona skydivers - if I stay for the after parties.

When I see what is happening with my own eyes, I will share what I can (without compromising anyones integrity) and not sugar coat any of it.
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I have not been, nor plan to go to 1930s Germany, Nazereth circa 4BC, India during British rule, The US during the revolutionary war, The African theatre during 1942.

However, due to the miracle of technology I can learn and comment on all of these things.

Now, having a time machine would be a miracle, but going to the place we're talking about is not.

Now, I realize you said you didnt read the thread, but in this case going beyond the keyword 'iraq' and someone writing something vaguely negative about the war might have clued you in a little more.

In this case it was about the dehumanizing of the enemy during war and evolved into whether it was racism that allowed the killing or whether the killing necessitated dehumanising the enemy - at least thats my take on it.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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juanesky-As always i have nothing to say to you. You need help.



Most likely is the women in your family that need help pal, specially those still in your home land:|

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Religions like all things must grow/change in time.


Extremist Islamic leaders are making sure your religions remains in medieval time, a good example of this is the Sudan, Afghanistan, or will you prefer to ignore (as usual) the abuses against women that took place in those areas?

Although you will most unlikely respond with any intelligent or good rebuttals of these facts, you will prefer to blanket my statment with "I hate all muslims" type of response.

Since you did not reply or ignore my prior post, I will ask again,are you ok that current Islamic leaders, issuing fatwas that only brings murder among innocents?

I guess it is, according to your prior comments, you are ok with all that and are blind and ignore all the injustices that occurr when an islamic state gets started anywhere in the world....

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So let me guess you despise (strong word) all Christians as well?



Not really, he dispises anyone who use the culprit of ANY RELIGION that promotes the violence, like most of the current Islamic leaders that issue fatwas of hate and murder for example. (he is not attacking your religion per sei, just the ones that promote this hatred, like I do) But I'm pretty sure you will ignore this and attack his point of view as being racist. We understand your mind is not open and your loyalty to your fatherland.



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Where is BillVon when you need him?
I remember he had posted a few quotes from different religions and they all were very barbaric compared to today’s standard.

I am still wondering what your point is by posting that sura from the Holy Quran?
Are you trying to say it is ok to kill brown people?
And if you are would it be ok if they say kill all American or pale people?
But let me guess if they say such things there evil and ignorant but it’s ok for us to say it.
I don’t know maybe it’s just me but there is nothing I hate more then hypocrisy and a double standard.



Well, if you see how women are treated in Islamic states is pretty easy to see abuse on them, as they hardly have any right to be free or express any freedom without the possibility of grave consequences to their well being. I have witness a couple of instances where a woman was sumarily punished by men.

Perhaps one day you will realize that this has nothing to do with racism, or genocide, or hatred towards your religion, but the people that misuse it.

And by the way, I understand that you need help most of the time to defend your point of views...:D:D

Bill where are thou???
"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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Nope, I am saying that he actually refuses to see the abominations that take in most Islamic states. Women abuse for example.

I don't want ware against Islam, just the perpetrarors of violence.

As it is know, and unfortunately for all, is that it soon will become a conflict of religion, due to the fact that on the terrorist side they are waging a "Jihad". On our side we are against those promoting terrorism.

I see a lot of tolerance for muslims in this country so far, with the exceptions of course, when 9/11 occurred, but overall, I don't see any muslim in this country threatened. On the other hand, I have witnessed first hand, a Saudi living here that hate America, he was promptly deported, and am glad to have helped in that effort.B|
"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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Most likely is the women in your family that need help pal, specially those still in your home land
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Do you know my family? No

Do you know any Iranian woman who live in Iran? I bet No

Have you ever been to Iran? No

Have you ever seen an Iranian man beat his wife? I bet no



But then again it is you and you are used to making statements with out any knowledge.

Juanesky- don’t pretend to know me or my family. I don’t even like you mentioning my family.

I respond to everyone on here but you, and maybe one other person.

I believe Racist people are blind and ignorant. There is no excuse for racism.
I have seen people of all color and creed to good and bad things. Doesn’t mean I would think that the people I have seen in my limited time on this planet represent a people as a whole. That seems to be your problem.


I also don’t see your obsession with posting to me.

Trust me the reason I don’t bother to respond to you is not because you’re so good at making your point.

There are many I do mean many who are much better at providing facts and arguments agents the way I think things should be. I respond to them. You on the other hand have already shown your true colors to me and others.

You are simply a waist of time for me.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Religions like all things must grow/change in time.


Extremist Islamic leaders are making sure your religions remains in medieval time, a good example of this is the Sudan, Afghanistan, or will you prefer to ignore (as usual) the abuses against women that took place in those areas?



It always surprises me how close extreme Islam is to extreme fundamentalist Christianity.

There are parallells between sexuality, gender, racism, spiritual superiority, violence, intolerance of others and general bigotry.

It would take a great deal of denial to argue any differently, along with a great deal of ignorance as to the teachings of some of these extreme Christian churches.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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And I agree to what you say, 100%, we don't need to look back far to find that the Vatican was actually supporting pedophiles, as on example.

The problem with Darius is that he does not like to see that Islamic states, particularly those 2 referenced before where there were plenty of stoning of women just because the way they dressed. And of course instead debating of what is messed up in current Islam extremism, he rather goes ignoring facts as usual.
"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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On our side we are against those promoting terrorism.



You're priceless. Care to make a comment on the 'targetted killings' of Paletinians and anyone who happens to be standing near them.

People who bitch about the Jews are called 'Anti-semitic'. What are people who bitch about the Muslims called?

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Are you just blind?

What is this thread about did you even read it?

What does a raciest soldier who can’t wait to kill Iraqis or Shit stains as he puts it have to do with Islamic extremists?

Your like a broken record when have you ever EVER seen me support extreme Islam?
When have you seen me say it is ok to beat woman?

If you don’t have examples I suggest you STFU;).
I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Oh come now Darius, by speaking out against American troops - regardless of whether you're right or wrong - you are aiding and abetting the enemy and giving them hope!

You know that by continuing to be a Muslim you're tacitly supporting those extremists.

Bad Darius, bad bad bad. No beer for you this weekend!

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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Oh come now Darius, by speaking out against American troops - regardless of whether you're right or wrong - you are aiding and abetting the enemy and giving them hope!

You know that by continuing to be a Muslim you're tacitly supporting those extremists.

Bad Darius, bad bad bad. No beer for you this weekend!




:D:D:D
It seems that way to some. You must agree and follow like stupid sheep. God forbid you think for your self.

Only if more people had common oh wait uncommon since;)
I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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So... essentially what you're saying is... you want your country to wage war on Islam. That's what you're saying isn't it?

(or rather those who are misusing it... which you conclude above includes most current Islamic states in the world).



Oh puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze!!! That is not what he said at all!!!

Let me make it simple for you. Muslims are brainwashed. Christians are brainwashed. Jews are brainwashed. Leaders use religion to manipulate the masses, sometimes in ways that seem very cruel and backwards in the point of view of many in the U.S. culture. Muslim religious leaders in Muslim states are outstanding in this regard.

Personally, I don't care as long as it doesn't affect the U.S. They can run their countries any way they want.

If juanesky is guilty of anything, it's being judgemental of other cultures and he has every right to be as judgemental as he wants. For the most part, he's pretty much right on the money in his statements.

I'd get quite concerned if "W" started makes statements like that, though, because he is in a position to take serious action and the U.S. government IMO has a very poor track record of trying to tell other people how to run their countries.

Walt

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I am (technically) a WASP.
My department head is Iranian.
My college dean is Iranian
The dean of students is a gay Catholic
The Provost is a Jew
The President of the university is a Jew

We all get along just fine, thank you. None of us beats women or plants bombs.
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I am (technically) a WASP.
My department head is Iranian.
My college dean is Iranian
The dean of students is a gay Catholic
The Provost is a Jew
The President of the university is a Jew

We all get along just fine, thank you. None of us beats women or plants bombs.




Are you sure even the Iranians don't beat their wives?
I mean come on that’s not possible.[:/]:P
I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Are you just blind?

What is this thread about did you even read it?

What does a raciest soldier who can’t wait to kill Iraqis or Shit stains as he puts it have to do with Islamic extremists?

Your like a broken record when have you ever EVER seen me support extreme Islam?
When have you seen me say it is ok to beat woman?

If you don’t have examples I suggest you STFU;).



I gave you 2 examples which you still refuse to answer, or simply state, If you like it or don't. I take it that you liked taliban's rule.

I said I have witnessed women in an Islamic state being publicly punished for not wearing appropiate dresses. So don't tell me I have not seen it with my own eyes.:S

A simple smile after telling me to STFU, is not a joke either.

Your comments are usually ardid when someone of other culture-religion-color (IE Israelis) does something against these extremists. Your silence is deafining when the killing goes the other way around, or is Arab against Arabs/Persian. Also your comments about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict don't really do you a favor as a person tolerant of the Jewish existance, as you also want them completely out of there....

For the last time:

Do you think it is not ok to kill these extremists, or portray them as "innocent victims"?.

This is not evidence of you supporting extremists.
Just as you have doubted or implicated me of being a KKK member, which is very laughable since I also have brown skinned, you are not the only one with those features, I also question time and time again your loyalty, as you are definitely willing to fight the US if it ever enters in an armed conflict with Iran.

Most of our soldiers that have been in Iraq are not trigger happy, the soldier's relative remarks are out of line, but my call is on the BS you spew everytime you don't like to discuss facts.
"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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