Where did all the W's go?

[billvon 3,120]

>The last President to govern by polls . . .

Who said anything about governing by polls? A bit touchy? The issue was whether the people who used to support him have changed their minds.

[rehmwa 2]

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>The last President to govern by polls . . .

Who said anything about governing by polls? A bit touchy? The issue was whether the people who used to support him have changed their minds.

Errr, do you mean do they still think he's a better candidate than John Kerry or Al Gore? Of course, GWB is STILL the lesser of two (3?) evils. Bring a better candidate next time. The only point now is to childishly call names, since there isn't a campaign aspect for GWB in 2008, they still attack the man and not the party platform?

Frankly, I congratulate the bumper sticker makers for finding a nice market of self-righteous uncontrolled people to exploit. I hope they make a few bucks. I also bet they have stickers for potential candidates on both sides. The novelty market has always found a market in politics.

The only fix is to bring better candidates forward in 2008 and give us chance to vote 'for' someone, not against the other guy.

won't happen

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[masterblaster72 0]

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Of course, GWB is STILL the lesser of two (3?) evils.

In your humble opinion.

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The only fix is to bring better candidates forward in 2008 and give us chance to vote 'for' someone, not against the other guy.

Is there a non-republican (not necessarily already in today's list of potential 2008 candidates), besides maybe Zell Miller, that you could see yourself voting for in 2008? And out of curiosity, who, assuming that Cheney doesn't run, do you think would make the best presidential candidate in 2008 given the field of potential candidates now?

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[mnealtx 0]

I could probably vote for Zell Miller, but it would depend on his platform.

I'd love to see Ron Paul make a bid for President.

Mike
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[Gravitymaster 0]

I might be able to vote for the Democrat Governor of Virginia, Mark Warner. He's a business owner and a conservative Democrat. I'd have to see who else is running, but I'd not have a problem with Warner.

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[kallend 2,151]

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I might be able to vote for the Democrat Governor of Virginia, Mark Warner. He's a business owner and a conservative Democrat. I'd have to see who else is running, but I'd not have a problem with Warner.

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Unfortunately the only way to win primaries is to appeal to the extreme wing of one's party, which pretty much guarantees a poor choice come the general election.

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[rehmwa 2]

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Unfortunately the only way to win primaries is to appeal to the extreme wing of one's party, which pretty much guarantees a poor choice come the general election.

mb72 just assumes my positions - and very wrongly (Please don't let Cheney run in 2008)

Kallend gets it in the above - always has. It is a problem with both parties. I don't like the extremes of either party, but they define the 'swing'.

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[rehmwa 2]

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Is there a non-republican (not necessarily already in today's list of potential 2008 candidates), besides maybe Zell Miller, that you could see yourself voting for in 2008? And out of curiosity, who, assuming that Cheney doesn't run, do you think would make the best presidential candidate in 2008 given the field of potential candidates now?

You'll still insist on satisfying your stereotype of anyone objective on these boards. So I'll answer:

I won't hypothesize on 2008 until both candidates relate their true platforms. But, if you absolutely must continue to draw it out based on party lines () instead of platform content, last time, Lieberman would have beaten out Bush in my mind.

Some people do vote based on the platform, and not just pull the party lever. That must kill people like you who look at cosmetic affiliations rather than character and content.

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[masterblaster72 0]

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Some people do vote based on the platform, and not just pull the party lever. That must kill people like you who look at cosmetic affiliations rather than character and content.

Wrong. I've said it a bunch of times -- my vote is already cast for McCain if he gets the nomination.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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The only fix is to bring better candidates forward in 2008 and give us chance to vote 'for' someone, not against the other guy.

In principle, I agree. Unfortunately the best candidates always seem to be eliminated at the primary level. How would you suggest getting past this problem? This is not directed specifically at rehmwa, but rather anyone.

[rehmwa 2]

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Some people do vote based on the platform, and not just pull the party lever. That must kill people like you who look at cosmetic affiliations rather than character and content.

Wrong. I've said it a bunch of times -- my vote is already cast for McCain if he gets the nomination.

There, now you just got hit with exactly what you were accusing me of. Not a great way to foster respectable debate, is it? For the record, I withdraw the accusation, it was to make the point only. I don't doubt you'd vote for the best candidate.

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[rehmwa 2]

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The only fix is to bring better candidates forward in 2008 and give us chance to vote 'for' someone, not against the other guy.

In principle, I agree. Unfortunately the best candidates always seem to be eliminated at the primary level. How would you suggest getting past this problem? This is not directed specifically at rehmwa, but rather anyone.

I don't know, it's a pretty big bit of momentum to get past.

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[masterblaster72 0]

2008 should be pretty interesting for the republicans because the extremists don't seem to be the front runners, at least this early in the game. When I say extremists imho I mean Cheney (insists he won't run..?), Condi (a big question mark), Frist, and Jeb Bush.

The front-runners, from some of what I read, are Giuliani and McCain, and to a lesser extent, Pataki, all of whom are moderates.

Of course if one of the extremists starts a lying campaign, just like Bush/Rove did in 2000 vs. McCain (remember the "illegitimate black child" the Bush campaign lied about McCain having had? Turns out that's McCain's adopted daughter from Bangladesh. By the time the truth came out, the SC republicans already voted against McCain, swayed by those lies), it's all over for the good candidates. Expect it to happen.

Hopefully one of the parties can field a candidate that can bring the country together, rather than a candidate that each day insists on aggravating the already deep fracture in the country. America hasn't been this polarized since the civil war, and it's become a real problem.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[Channman 2]

>my vote is already cast for McCain if he gets the nomination.

As a deligate in the state of Texas McCain will never get the Texas vote, nor will he get Florida.

McCain is better off remaining in the Senate as a Bell Hop lugging the Dems baggage.

[masterblaster72 0]

McCain is an old-school, Teddy Roosevelt-style republican, not a neo-republikan corporate puppet chickenhawk. He's his own man. It took balls for him to work for campaign finance reform, a patients' bill of rights, and to stand up for a fellow veteran in the face of lies. And at the same time, he's staunch pro-life and if you look at his voting record he's fundamentally conservative.

If nothing else, you've got to admire him for being a warrior who went through hell in Vietnam and for being someone who continues to serve his country proudly. Bush had to lie to beat him out of the 2000 nomination because McCain merits the presidency. There aren't many other candidates out there you can say that about.

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As a deligate in the state of Texas McCain will never get the Texas vote, nor will he get Florida.

I'm probably misunderstanding this, but when you say "as a delegate" do you mean that you personally will be at the 2008 republican convention?

Either way, I'd be curious to hear your pick for 2008 if you don't mind sharing.

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McCain is better off remaining in the Senate as a Bell Hop lugging the Dems baggage.

Besides having heard liberals like myself voice support for McCain, what's your reasoning behind this statement?

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[SpeedRacer 1]

OK, I gotta get one of those "Wtf?" stickers!!

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[SpeedRacer 1]

You know, there is a bumper sticker that says: "Run, Hillary!" which is popular with both Democrats and Republicans.

Democrats put it on their back bumper and Republicans put it on their front bumper.

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[tso-d_chris 0]

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if you look at [McCain's] voting record he's fundamentally conservative.
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Bush had to lie to beat him out of the 2000 nomination because McCain merits the presidency. There aren't many other candidates out there you can say that about.

I disagree with much of McCain's political opinion, but I believe he would have made a good, honorable president, had he survived the primaries and won the electoral college.

[EricTheRed 0]

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The only fix is to bring better candidates forward in 2008 and give us chance to vote 'for' someone, not against the other guy.

In principle, I agree. Unfortunately the best candidates always seem to be eliminated at the primary level. How would you suggest getting past this problem? This is not directed specifically at rehmwa, but rather anyone.

Open primary where the top three vote getters all get on the general ballot.
You might get two R's and a D, two D's and an R, one D one R and one L, or who knows what.

The current system wouldn't permit this tho...

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[SpeedRacer 1]

hmmm, yeah. it would be lot more interesting if each party could field two candidates instead of just one.

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[tso-d_chris 0]

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Open primary where the top three vote getters all get on the general ballot.
You might get two R's and a D, two D's and an R, one D one R and one L, or who knows what.

Interesting idea. I think it would work better than the current system.

I would suggest the top 10 candidates get on the general ballot, with ranked voting.

[EricTheRed 0]

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Open primary where the top three vote getters all get on the general ballot.
You might get two R's and a D, two D's and an R, one D one R and one L, or who knows what.

Interesting idea. I think it would work better than the current system.

I would suggest the top 10 candidates get on the general ballot, with ranked voting.

ANYTHING (well almost anything) would be better than what we now have. I've never been a real fan of ranked voting though. It's kinda like going to the bar and saying

I'd like to go home with ___, but I'd like to get your # too just in case it doesn't work out.

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[sinker 0]

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You know, there is a bumper sticker that says: "Run, Hillary!" which is popular with both Democrats and Republicans.

Democrats put it on their back bumper and Republicans put it on their front bumper.

Curse you SpeedRacer! I just spit Hawaiian Punch all over my laptop! You bastard! That is hilarious!

-the artist formerly known as sinker

[Channman 2]

>Besides having heard liberals like myself voice support for McCain, what's your reasoning behid this statement?

You could have not written it more plainly than stating your support for McCain as a conservative member of the Senate.

That is entirely why he will not recieve the nomination or the support of Texas delegates because he is not supportive of our party plateform in general nor is he conservative.

Campaign Finance Reform was nothing more than limiting free speech.

>Bush had to lie to beat him out of the 2000 nomination because McCain merits the presidency.

Well, I feel as if I need to help you with the above statement. If liberals wish to have the support of the majority, they will need to stop living in the past and start coming up with real solutions. Currently the blame game is not working with the American electorate. (Past is the Past...although I do disagree with you that Bush had to lie, but that in itself is another reason the left is finding it difficult to win elections. People are not buying it, maybe in the circle of friend you hang with but when it came to the vote the Dems came up short again.

People tend to support doers as opposed to blamers.

Now as far as my pick, I don't have any name that I think are planning on running that have the ability to get elected. But who ever the Republicans wish to bless will surely be up against a female Senator from New York.

Cheers to ya, I have a friend that needs some prep before his check ride with the FAA.

[tso-d_chris 0]

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It's kinda like going to the bar and saying

I'd like to go home with ___, but I'd like to get your # too just in case it doesn't work out.

That's the point.

How many votes do you think Nader or Badnaric would have received in 200 or 2004 if their supporters could have hedged their bets on another candidate, so as to not feel as though they were throwing away their vote?