chuteless 1 #1 September 20, 2005 Does anyone really think North Korea is going to actually give up their nukes? I think Joesf Goebels is alive and well and living in Pyonyang. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #2 September 20, 2005 QuoteDoes anyone really think North Korea is going to actually give up their nukes? Nope, with a guy like Kim Jong Il at the controls, assume nothing. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #3 September 20, 2005 No way. We're going to have to starve them, or take them by force. And taking them by force won't be easy. The NKs have enough regular artillery in place to destroy Seoul within 24 hours of the first shot being fired. Most people, when they think God is on their side, can justify anything to themselves. NK's leader actually thinks he _is_ God on earth. Check out NK's news web site: http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm You won't believe your eyes with some of the things they write. My personal favorite was a news item discussing Kim Jong Il's first golf game. Claims he made 13 holes in one. It would be funny if it wasn't so frightening.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #4 September 20, 2005 Quote My personal favorite was a news item discussing Kim Jong Il's first golf game. Claims he made 13 holes in one. It would be funny if it wasn't so frightening. Anyone else here old enough to remember this?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #5 September 20, 2005 Quote "We must learn to swim by swimming" Reminds me of what my grandmother told my mother: Don't go near that water 'till you learn how to swim. Quote It is hard to explain why so many dictators like to swim and it is said that Mao still holds the world record in the 5-mile swim (in 25 minutes). I am skeptical about this "miracle" BWAHAHAHAWe are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #6 September 20, 2005 I think he was playing a game with Tiger Woods !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #7 September 20, 2005 QuoteQuote "We must learn to swim by swimming" Reminds me of what my grandmother told my mother: Don't go near that water 'till you learn how to swim. Quote It is hard to explain why so many dictators like to swim and it is said that Mao still holds the world record in the 5-mile swim (in 25 minutes). I am skeptical about this "miracle" BWAHAHAHA Well, he WAS swimming with the flow, down river. All he had to do was float, if the river's flow was that fast."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #8 September 20, 2005 QuoteNo way. We're going to have to starve them, or take them by force. And taking them by force won't be easy. The NKs have enough regular artillery in place to destroy Seoul within 24 hours of the first shot being fired. Much, much less time than that. And add the fact that their guns are tunnelled deep within mountains (thereby rendering airstrikes against them almost entirely ineffective), and you've got some serious hurdles to overcome just trying to maintain a force presence between the DMZ and Seoul, much less pushing forward (bye bye, 2ID ). I disagree with the starve 'em or take 'em philosophy. If you look at the evolution of the DPRK's policies since its inception, you'll see that they've been baby-stepping in a more or less positive direction. Some will point out the nuke issues, border incursions, missiles over Japan, arms sales, etc. (the list goes on and on), but if you compare the attitudes and frequency and magnitude of incidents between now and even 20 years ago, you'll see there's been some, albeit quite slow, progress, not to mention some of the more positive developments (family reunions, multilateral dialogue, etc.). The fact that the DMZ is so heavily armed has created a stalemate situation that, oddly enough, can be seen as advantageous to both sides. Chances are the stalemate will continue for many, many years to come, giving time for the two sides to foster closer relations and peaceful cooperation. Reunification, however, is another issue, and it will likely require a reculturing of the propaganda-driven DPRK idelology (Juche, e.g.), something we likely won't see until the young Kim is out and more progressive leadership is in place. A coup isn't entirely out of the question at this point, but it'd be tough as hell to pull off without the peninsula destabilizing (read: mad chaos). But that's just my uneducated opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuote It is hard to explain why so many dictators like to swim and it is said that Mao still holds the world record in the 5-mile swim (in 25 minutes). I am skeptical about this "miracle" BWAHAHAHA It's a pretty damn good running time for the distance. I thought about swimming the Yangtze in Wuhan after my bus took over an hour to take me from a hotel on one side of the bridge to the Yellow Crane on the other side. Looked a bit dirty, however. Bill, no, they're not going to give up their nukes. Would we? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #10 September 21, 2005 Quote Much, much less time than that. This was well put, and well written. Thanks for the knowledge. Is it possible Kim Jong Il will use his missles to hit Japan if/when (...more like when) events turn against him?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #11 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuote Much, much less time than that. This was well put, and well written. Thanks for the knowledge. Is it possible Kim Jong Il will use his missles to hit Japan if/when (...more like when) events turn against him? Everything is possible. But I greatly doubt he will ever use his weapons. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #12 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote Much, much less time than that. This was well put, and well written. Thanks for the knowledge. Is it possible Kim Jong Il will use his missles to hit Japan if/when (...more like when) events turn against him? Everything is possible. But I greatly doubt he will ever use his weapons. I for one, hope we never find out. That dude is a basket case... "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #13 September 21, 2005 Quote That dude is a basket case.. Even worse. He thinks he's a god...We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
