The gun control people just keep digging!

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Diver's post proves 100% what bullshit our justice system is. Jury's are just filled with idiots a lot of the time...as seen in his relative's case. I've read several stories of people killing someone in their own home, and then getting at least sued by the family, if not given prison time. Shame...

I actually found out he only did 11 years. Still pretty sad. He would have been a lot better off if it wasn't his ex-wifes new boyfriend though. I listened to some of the trial, and the prosecution made the jury think that he used this as an opportunity to get revenge and he killed this guy in cold-blood murder. It was a pretty sick and pathetic attempt, but not pathetic enough for a jury not to buy it. This guy is the probably the kindest and most harmless man you could ever meet. Just dealt a bad hand in a f*&#ed up justice system. I suppose its better than a lot of countries though.

[Trae 1]

in reply 2"MI had the most f***ed up self-defense laws I seen. Pepper spray: illegal. Stun guns: illegal. CCW? Forget it unless you are a cop or a judge. While I was there, the state threatened to shut down a Benton Harbor K-Mart for selling a firearm to a teenager. You know what they really sold? A BB gun! But according to the states goofy-assed laws, a BB gun was a firearm, and subject to all of the same restrictions. "

This sounds just like the Commonwealth countries.

You're not allowed to defend yourself with lethal force unless you're in fear of your life. Catch 22----Being in fear of your life is not a sufficient reason to get a firearm licence.

But you can get a concealed carry license to protect some-one elses money.
The crims can carry and threaten and use their little toys but the decent people have to call the cops before any firepower turns up after it's all over usually.

The funny thing is the governments used the gun massacres as an excuse to disarm the country but if even one person had had a banger at least some-one could have shot back.

Gun related crime reduced --yeah right ---only hidden better now.

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Anybody with any sense knows that you never point a firearm at anone you don't intend to kill .

This is the first and probably only time I'll agree w/ Eagle...but he's right. If you're pointing a gun at someone or something, you'd better be planning on shooting that someone or something.

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And stating something like that will get you serious time in Federal-pounded-in-the-ass prison.

Any reputable firearms training course (Thunder Ranch, Gunsite, etc) will tell you that you shoot to STOP - to get the person to STOP what they're doing that has put you in fear of your life.

Any wounding of a person will certainly get you sued and could very well get you put in prison. You have much less of a chance going to prison when it's your word against a dead guy's.

Change "Any reputable firearms training course" to "Any IDEALISTIC reputable firearms training course" and you got yourself a deal. Truth is, if you shoot someone, wound them...guaranteed you will be sued and lose. And, a very good chance you go to jail.

Dead men can't sue and can't put you in prison (sure there are exceptions, but far less chance of either happening when you're the only giving a side of the story). I'm not saying you can just get away with popping anyone you want, but when it comes to someone rushing you behind a movie theatre or something like that...it's better to kill him.

Viper, I'm not disagreeing with your idea, but the way you state it. Please find me ANY nationally-known firearms training school (CCW training) that explicitly says "shoot to kill" and I'll concede the point.

With that said - if someone breaks into my house, intent to cause me harm, I will shoot to center of mass until they stop trying to do me harm. If they die from that - their bad.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Anybody with any sense knows that you never point a firearm at anone you don't intend to kill .

This is the first and probably only time I'll agree w/ Eagle...but he's right. If you're pointing a gun at someone or something, you'd better be planning on shooting that someone or something.

1: All guns are always loaded.

2: Never point a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy (or shoot)

3: Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire

4: Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Please find me ANY nationally-known firearms training school (CCW training) that explicitly says "shoot to kill" and I'll concede the point.

Well, you may be right on that. It would make sense to not publicly say, "we teach to kill!" However, you know all those CCW instructors are thinking the same thing...they'll kill a guy in an alley before they'll shoot him in the knee and run.

And yeah, it's the perp's fault if he dies from my .40 HP rounds.

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With that said - if someone breaks into my house, intent to cause me harm, I will shoot to center of mass until they stop trying to do me harm. If they die from that - their bad. ***

and there, were it to be me on the stand testifying as to why I shouldn't be locked up for killing this man who threatened to do me harm, my defense would be...

I didn't intend to kill him... I intended to neutralize the threat he posed to me and/or my family.

call it semantics if you want, but shooting the little bastard in the knee cap may not neutralize the threat.

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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And stating something like that will get you serious time in Federal-pounded-in-the-ass prison.

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This is where us Black Folks have an advantage over the Whites!
See.., we don't fear prison like y'all do .
To us it's sort a like a vacation. A family reunion and a break from the *mans' world* if you will.
In prison we hold the majority and we rule the world !!!

Yes that's very true. And the government
knows that's how it is.

They use us to scare you into conforming to their laws.

Want to be fucked in the ass by a big black dick?

If not you best not be breakin' the law ,boy.


Blues,
Cliff

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>a lifetime to think about how he screwed with the wrong guy.

Which is fine. But his lawyer will have a lifetime to parade him in front of juries while portraying you as a cross between Charles Manson and Lee Harvey Oswald. You may be able to cripple him for life, but he may well be able to bankrupt you and make your life hell - so make sure you're OK with that.

Which is fine. Been poor before. Never had to live without my privates...fair trade.

But there is some merit to the Shoot-to-kill option.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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...I prefer crippling injuries - a lifetime to think about how he screwed with the wrong guy.

Yeah that would be nice, but thanks to the bs justice system, we can't have that luxury. Because yes, crippling the guy for the rest of his life would be a good lesson, but you'll be sitting in jail while he learns it.

It sounds as if you are saying that one wouldn't be in jail if one just killed instead....hmmmm...something to be said for the "dead guys don't testify" angle.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Would you mind telling me what state, and year this happened? I'm glad RI has laws that allow you to defend your self with deadly force.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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It sounds as if you are saying that one wouldn't be in jail if one just killed instead....hmmmm...something to be said for the "dead guys don't testify" angle.

In a self defense situation, that's exactly what I'm saying.