Things you don't want to hear your President say...

[eaglenrider 0]

#1. "Oops , My bad ! I'll try not to let another thousands die due to my incompetence in (choose one)
a) the next terror attack
b) the next unnecessary war
c) the next aftermath of natural disaster

Blues,
Cliff

[Jimbo 0]

#1. "Oops , My bad ! I'll try not to let another thousands die due to my incompetence in (choose one)
a) the next terror attack
b) the next unnecessary war
c) the next aftermath of natural disaster

Blues,
Cliff

"Like" - The modern day comma
Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

[eaglenrider 0]

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#1. "Oops , My bad ! I'll try not to let another thousands die due to my incompetence in (choose one)
a) the next terror attack
b) the next unnecessary war
c) the next aftermath of natural disaster

Blues,
Cliff

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LOL!
I'm sure that is funny ,Jimbo, but I don't get it. Please explain.

Blues,
Cliff

[jdfreefly 1]

It is a grave mistake to lay the entire blame for this at Bush's feet. Many people who already didn't like him, are using this as a rallying cry, turning it into a political hot potato.

Our government has failed us, from the top on down. But we are the ones to blame. I'm not sure when it happened, maybe it was a gradual thing, maybe it happened all at once in the past 20 years, but at some point, we, as a people, stopped electing leaders.

We, as a people, started running from one party to the other, expecting massive change because this politician had a different label than that one. Democrat, Republican, it doesn't matter. It's just more of the same.

The point of a two party system is that when the two parties stop effectively representing the needs of the people, a third party is supposed to spring up and fill in. But we are all no more than pupets of the media.

They tell us, "if you throw your vote away on that third party candidate, the evil republican/democrat will win!!!" And we run to the polls and do their bidding like mindless lemmings. Our so called "leaders" keep us divided, fighting their battles so ours never get won.

The system is worse than broken. If it was just broken it wouldn't make things worse. Now, it's malignant.

Methane Freefly - got stink?

[eaglenrider 0]

The point of a two party system is that when the two parties stop effectively representing the needs of the people, a third party is supposed to spring up and fill in. But we are all no more than pupets of the media.

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Realize that there is no "two party system".

There is only the wealthy running things.
Corporate wealth control every election on the national level.
People talk about they voted for the lesser of evil.
They forget that the two evils were both presented by Americas corporate wealth and bothe of the evils couldn't lose.

No common man could win either.

How can we beat this system and take back the government ?

Can it be done short of an armed Revolution?

Blues,
Cliff

[tcnelson 1]

jd,

did you ever see that mel gibson movie entitled "conspiracy theory"?

eaglenrider is way past mel in that movie.

although i don't agree with your assessment of the u.s.'s situation, your valiant attempts to use logic and deduction to help eaglenrider will be lost in translation between your effort and his lunacy.

in other words, he is solely good for entertainment so, treat him as such if you agree with my judgement of him.

if not, use me for entertainment and don't say that i didn't warn ya...

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[Newbie 0]

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It is a grave mistake to lay the entire blame for this at Bush's feet. Many people who already didn't like him, are using this as a rallying cry, turning it into a political hot potato.

Our government has failed us, from the top on down. But we are the ones to blame. I'm not sure when it happened, maybe it was a gradual thing, maybe it happened all at once in the past 20 years, but at some point, we, as a people, stopped electing leaders.

We, as a people, started running from one party to the other, expecting massive change because this politician had a different label than that one. Democrat, Republican, it doesn't matter. It's just more of the same.

The point of a two party system is that when the two parties stop effectively representing the needs of the people, a third party is supposed to spring up and fill in. But we are all no more than pupets of the media.

They tell us, "if you throw your vote away on that third party candidate, the evil republican/democrat will win!!!" And we run to the polls and do their bidding like mindless lemmings. Our so called "leaders" keep us divided, fighting their battles so ours never get won.

The system is worse than broken. If it was just broken it wouldn't make things worse. Now, it's malignant.

Hallelujah brother, i'm with you on that one! Can i get an amen??!

"Skydiving is a door"
Happythoughts

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It is a grave mistake to lay the entire blame for this at Bush's feet. Many people who already didn't like him, are using this as a rallying cry, turning it into a political hot potato.

Our government has failed us, from the top on down. But we are the ones to blame. I'm not sure when it happened, maybe it was a gradual thing, maybe it happened all at once in the past 20 years, but at some point, we, as a people, stopped electing leaders.

We, as a people, started running from one party to the other, expecting massive change because this politician had a different label than that one. Democrat, Republican, it doesn't matter. It's just more of the same.

The point of a two party system is that when the two parties stop effectively representing the needs of the people, a third party is supposed to spring up and fill in. But we are all no more than pupets of the media.

They tell us, "if you throw your vote away on that third party candidate, the evil republican/democrat will win!!!" And we run to the polls and do their bidding like mindless lemmings. Our so called "leaders" keep us divided, fighting their battles so ours never get won.

The system is worse than broken. If it was just broken it wouldn't make things worse. Now, it's malignant.

Hallelujah brother, i'm with you on that one! Can i get an amen??!

AMEN

[Mike111 0]

Ditto.

The president can't be held responsible for everything.

[diverborg 0]

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There is only the wealthy running things.
Corporate wealth control every election on the national level.
People talk about they voted for the lesser of evil.
They forget that the two evils were both presented by Americas corporate wealth and bothe of the evils couldn't lose

Yes, yes. We all know Team America works for the big corporations. The corporations sit in their corporation buildings and sit there all corporationy and they make money.

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No common man could win either

Do you really want a common man to win either? I trust our nation a little more to someone who knows economics well enough he can make himself a multi-millionaire, rather than some whiny fool that blaims his misfortune on everyone else. Sorry buddy, this is the land of opportunity, if you don't get rich it's your own damn fault.

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Sorry buddy, this is the land of opportunity, if you don't get rich it's your own damn fault.

I'm amazed people still fall for this BS.

[kbordson 8]

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Sorry buddy, this is the land of opportunity, if you don't get rich it's your own damn fault.

I'm amazed people still fall for this BS.

Explain better why you feel that way... don't just throw snide comments.

The life you live has a LOT to do with the choice that YOU've made. There are outside influences and poverty is a major one for some, but ultimately it's your life. If you're not happy living somewhere, move - out of that apartment, out of that city, out of the counrty. Don't just sit there blaming the government for not giving you more than your neighbor. If you're not happy doing some job, work to get out of there... education is a choice. Not just talking formal educaiton, but also personal growth.

If you feel otherwise, please share and defend.

[Gawain 0]

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Sorry buddy, this is the land of opportunity, if you don't get rich it's your own damn fault.

I'm amazed people still fall for this BS.

Try this premise: For each according to their ability.

Absolute, no. Truer than your misguided comment though.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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The point of a two party system is that when the two parties stop effectively representing the needs of the people, a third party is supposed to spring up and fill in. But we are all no more than pupets of the media.

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Realize that there is no "two party system".

There is only the wealthy running things.
Corporate wealth control every election on the national level.
People talk about they voted for the lesser of evil.
They forget that the two evils were both presented by Americas corporate wealth and bothe of the evils couldn't lose.

No common man could win either.

How can we beat this system and take back the government ?

Can it be done short of an armed Revolution?

Blues,
Cliff

No, it cannot.

But we must ask ourselves if the cure is worse than the disease.

Bad government is still preferable to no government at all, which is what we would have if the federals were toppled and the US returned to a purely states-based system.

mh

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[ViperPilot 0]

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I'm amazed people still fall for this BS.

Here's a nice story for all you kids...one of my friends was born in Haiti, no richer than the poorest, homeless person in America. He and his mother had jack shit. Well, long story short, he grew up, worked his ass off and made enough money to come to America. He then worked his ass off to afford college. He now is a computer engineer who makes well over 100k a year. This guy went from shit to prosperous with no help. If he can do it, anyone can do it. So yes, if a person has a shitty life, it's their fault. I realize bad stuff can happen that you don't have control over, but overall, it's your fault for not fighting through it and making something of yourself. It's not the govt's fault.

P.S. He never took a cent from Uncle Sam...no welfare, no nothing. I really look up to him; people who complain about how they got screwed could really learn a thing or two from this guy.

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I'm amazed people still fall for this BS.

Here's a nice story for all you kids...one of my friends was born in Haiti, no richer than the poorest, homeless person in America. He and his mother had jack shit. Well, long story short, he grew up, worked his ass off and made enough money to come to America. He then worked his ass off to afford college. He now is a computer engineer who makes well over 100k a year. This guy went from shit to prosperous with no help. If he can do it, anyone can do it. So yes, if a person has a shitty life, it's their fault. I realize bad stuff can happen that you don't have control over, but overall, it's your fault for not fighting through it and making something of yourself. It's not the govt's fault.

P.S. He never took a cent from Uncle Sam...no welfare, no nothing. I really look up to him; people who complain about how they got screwed could really learn a thing or two from this guy.

You are right. The proper attitude is critical to success. He succeeded because he wasn't subjected to "culture of being poor". He wasn't made to feel that "the man" is responsible for his failure and there really wasn't any point in trying because "the man" would always slap him down because "the man" is racist.

Interesting how, to a large degree, Country Music and the Blues both represent a defeatest attitude in both white and black culture, respectively.

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Interesting how, to a large degree, Country Music and the Blues both represent a defeatest attitude in both black and white culture.

...Respectively???

mh

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[billvon 3,116]

>Here's a nice story for all you kids...

Here's another story for you:

Ailish, a friend of mine, was born to a pretty poor family in the middle of nowhere. Her parents worked their butts off to get her a decent education, and she ended up at MIT on a scholarship. She was on the MIT women's volleyball and softball teams, and was the captain of one of them (I forget which.) The more remarkable part of her story is that she only had one hand. Never slowed her down any.

Contrast that to a distant cousin of mine who started out with all the right things going for him - a middle class family who put a high value on education, a good school district, a good support system. He barely graduated high school and ended up in a series of progressively lower-paying jobs, doing things along the way like drinking a lot, getting women pregnant, and getting in trouble with the law. He had symptoms of a few mental illnesses, but refused doctors/treatments so he never really got any better.

One thing I learned from these two people is that it doesn't matter too much what your situation is, or what deficits your body has; your brain can make up for them. But another thing that I learned is that not everyone is equally capable, and having a brain that doesn't fire on all cylinders is a huge handicap in today's society. To say that Ailish and my cousin had the same chance is misleading; he did not get the gifts that she did.

>it's your fault for not fighting through it and making something of yourself.

My cousin could have fought for all he was worth and - perhaps - not gotten himself fired quite as often. The myth that everyone has an equal chance is just that, a myth. There will always be more and less capable people.

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Happy now?

[ViperPilot 0]

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he did not get the gifts that she did.

So it's the govt's fault then? Don't know if you're saying that bill, but that's certainly what eagle and others are saying. And I call bullshit on that one. If he's born "not as smart" and makes bad decisions, it's sure as hell not society's or the govt's fault.

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The myth that everyone has an equal chance is just that, a myth. There will always be more and less capable people.

He had an equal chance, he just fucked it up by making poor decisions. Maybe he didn't have as high of an IQ, but you don't have to go to MIT to be a success. He could have made good choices and maybe he wouldn't make it past middle managment, but that would be considered a success for him. However, he made bad choices. He had the chance to do something good, he screwed the pooch.

[kallend 2,148]

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P.S. He never took a cent from Uncle Sam...no welfare, no nothing. I really look up to him; people who complain about how they got screwed could really learn a thing or two from this guy.

He must have searched really really hard to find a college that does not receive a cent from Uncle Sam to subsidize students' education. Where was it?

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He must have searched really really hard to find a college that does not receive a cent from Uncle Sam to subsidize students' education. Where was it?

Your comment is the same as - "He must never have used an Interstate Highway while he was here?" I'm sure you know what VP meant by his statement.

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He must have searched really really hard to find a college that does not receive a cent from Uncle Sam to subsidize students' education. Where was it?

Your comment is the same as - "He must never have used an Interstate Highway while he was here?" I'm sure you know what VP meant by his statement.

I find all comments extolling the virtues of people who "did it all by themselves" while ignoring huge but hidden subsidies to be absurd.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 3,116]

>So it's the govt's fault then?

Why do some people feel the need to pin blame no matter what?

>He had an equal chance, he just fucked it up by making poor
>decisions. Maybe he didn't have as high of an IQ, but you don't
>have to go to MIT to be a success.

IQ isn't the issue here - it's ability. Robert Moll, my roommate, was of average IQ. He worked his ass off, and got B's at one of the toughest universities in the world. He may not have had the native intelligence, but he had the ability to concentrate, a very good view of his priorities, and the ability to think clearly. My cousin got none of those things.

>He could have made good choices and maybe he wouldn't make it
> past middle managment, but that would be considered a success
>for him.

No, he couldn't have. His fear of the FBI spying on his brainwaves would have been too strong.

Not everyone is as capable as you, and not everyone can succeed 'if they just put their mind to it.' That's a persistent right wing myth, I think - that you can always blame people for their failures or successes. Some people simply do not have the mental wiring that allows them to succeed. And you don't even need find someone to blame to see that.

[mnealtx 0]

I think it's more the difference between trying and sitting around saying that "the man" is "holding them down". At least the first example is *trying* to better themself...and that is the point of the post, not "are they capable of getting into MIT"

Mike
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