pajarito 0 #101 September 16, 2005 QuoteThere are very clear contradictions, which the literalists often explain away by saying the words don't mean what we think they mean; that a "day" doesn't mean a day, for example. Intellectual dishonesty at its highest. If God does exist, he created time and everything else concerning the environment we live in. If he created it, don't you think that he'd also be able to control it? To put your mind above that of God is intellectual arrogance at its highest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #102 September 16, 2005 QuoteJust saying....you aught to be sure. Uhh...don't worry. I am. Heck, even our youth group leader had a discussion one night on the contradictions in the Bible! (No, this is not why I'm not Christian. I decided that long before my parents made me go to church! )There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #103 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteThere are very clear contradictions, which the literalists often explain away by saying the words don't mean what we think they mean; that a "day" doesn't mean a day, for example. Intellectual dishonesty at its highest. If God does exist, he created time and everything else concerning the environment we live in. If he created it, don't you think that he'd also be able to control it? To put your mind above that of God is intellectual arrogance at its highest. Well, there's nice circular reasoning. 1. The Bible is always right 2. When it's wrong, see rule #1. my ex-wife had rules like that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #104 September 16, 2005 QuoteWell, there's nice circular reasoning. 1. The Bible is always right 2. When it's wrong, see rule #1. my ex-wife had rules like that. The existence of God isn't just described in the Bible. It is also demonstrated by everything around us (creation) and is imprinted on your conscience. You "choose" to believe in yourself and that everything happened by chance. I "choose" to believe otherwise. Gotta go... Be back later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #105 September 16, 2005 1) When something bad happens, I yell "GOD DAMMIT" 2) The situation has already been damned, causing my previous reaction (see 1) 3) Not only does God exist, but he's WAY ahead of meTrapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePhelps 0 #106 September 16, 2005 This is not in response to any one particular post, but a statement in general to many posts. Is the Bible meant to be taken literally? Many will say yes, others such as myself, say, not all the time. Metaphors and hyperboles aside, I believe the Bible does quite well in doing what it should do … point people to Christ as the way of salvation and redemption. I don’t believe (neither do most rabbis) that the Bible is trying to be a geology, science or even a history book. I realize many of my fundamental brothers will disagree with me, perhaps even call me a heretic, but that is their right to believe as such. I desire to give them the right to believe what they want as much as I think non-Christians have their right to believe or not believe. While my faith is personal and somewhat private, I do feel compelled to share the hope I have to those who wanting to hear. As far as Christ or Christianity being a myth … I think for me it would take more faith to believe THAT than to believe what I believe. Plenty of people will die for they THINK to be truth, but seriously, how many people will die for what they KNOW to be a lie? History (apart from the New Testament, like Josephus and others writings) speaks of Jesus of Nazareth and his followers. History (apart from the New Testament, like Josephus and others) tells us he was crucified by the Romans. History (apart from the New Testament, like Josephus and others writings) tell us many of his followers were martyred. All that is considered historically accurate by most historians. Why then would the first disciples be willing to die for something they knew to be a lie (i.e. Jesus’ resurrection)? I don’t see why they would, UNLESS they met the resurrected Christ. Just my $.02 worth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #107 September 16, 2005 QuoteMy point exactly! Any religion worth its weight must have credible evidence to back it up. The FSM, in his divine wisdom, instructed me to write these words: -------------- In the begining, there was nothing. FSM created the mountains and trees, animals and midgets. FSM created everything and saw that it was good. Then stuff happened. Then more stuff happened. The there was a bum on the corner of second and main street at 2:40pm EST one sunny day, asking for money. No one gave him any. Then a being, it must have been an angel from FSM Heaven, gave the bum a dollar so he would not starve. Wars happened. Huge storms happened. Honey roasted peanuts were created. The pile of pure sugar/salt at the bottom of the jar is the greatest. FSM handed down one commandment: "Be good to each other" Believe in FSM, and you will go to Heaven where the streets are made of gold, and the rivers are made of beer. FSM will come again to claim his followers. Everyone else is screwed. ---------------- So far, this is historically accurate. If FSM instructs you to add historical accounts of his creation, please do so. It might take a few thousand years, but then we will have a 'reliable' and 'true' religious document. Let his spirit speak through you.it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #108 September 16, 2005 Quote Why then would the first disciples be willing to die for something they knew to be a lie (i.e. Jesus’ resurrection)? I don’t see why they would, UNLESS they met the resurrected Christ. Just my $.02 worth. You made some very good points...till here. People die ALL THE TIME for stuff that is false. But they believed it to be true. Not saying one way or the other in this post, but that argument has serious flaws.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,586 #109 September 16, 2005 I liked the post too. It was honest. He's seeing the apostles' actions through his own eyes and opinions, but, well, he also says he is. Nothing wrong with that. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #110 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteMy point exactly! Any religion worth its weight must have credible evidence to back it up. The FSM, in his divine wisdom, instructed me to write these words: -------------- In the begining, there was nothing. FSM created the mountains and trees, animals and midgets. FSM created everything and saw that it was good. . Flying Spaghetti Monster? Or Food-a-rama Super Markets... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #111 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteMy point exactly! Any religion worth its weight must have credible evidence to back it up. The FSM, in his divine wisdom, instructed me to write these words: -------------- In the begining, there was nothing. FSM created the mountains and trees, animals and midgets. FSM created everything and saw that it was good. Then stuff happened. Then more stuff happened. The there was a bum on the corner of second and main street at 2:40pm EST one sunny day, asking for money. No one gave him any. Then a being, it must have been an angel from FSM Heaven, gave the bum a dollar so he would not starve. Wars happened. Huge storms happened. Honey roasted peanuts were created. The pile of pure sugar/salt at the bottom of the jar is the greatest. FSM handed down one commandment: "Be good to each other" Believe in FSM, and you will go to Heaven where the streets are made of gold, and the rivers are made of beer. FSM will come again to claim his followers. Everyone else is screwed. ---------------- So far, this is historically accurate. If FSM instructs you to add historical accounts of his creation, please do so. It might take a few thousand years, but then we will have a 'reliable' and 'true' religious document. Let his spirit speak through you. you forgot to mention the beer volcano, brother wildblue."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #112 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteMy point exactly! Any religion worth its weight must have credible evidence to back it up. The FSM, in his divine wisdom, instructed me to write these words: -------------- In the begining, there was nothing. FSM created the mountains and trees, animals and midgets. FSM created everything and saw that it was good. . Flying Spaghetti Monster? Or Food-a-rama Super Markets No, Fancy Sugar Muffins.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #113 September 16, 2005 Quote Believe in FSM, and you will go to Heaven where the streets are made of gold, and the rivers are made of beer. Where can I found out more about this FSM-thingy?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #114 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuote Believe in FSM, and you will go to Heaven where the streets are made of gold, and the rivers are made of beer. Where can I found out more about this FSM-thingy? He also forgot about the heaven equipped with a Stripper Factory. Flying Spaghetti MonsterismSky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePhelps 0 #115 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuote Why then would the first disciples be willing to die for something they knew to be a lie (i.e. Jesus’ resurrection)? I don’t see why they would, UNLESS they met the resurrected Christ. Just my $.02 worth. You made some very good points...till here. People die ALL THE TIME for stuff that is false. But they believed it to be true. Not saying one way or the other in this post, but that argument has serious flaws. But the ORIGINAL disciples would KNOW Jesus was in the grave or eaten by dogs off the cross as most criminals were. If they KNEW that, why would they die for teaching he was alive? The FIRST disciples had to EXPERIENCE something FIRST HAND that made them believe that his resurrection was true. What was that? I think it was a resurrected Christ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #116 September 16, 2005 QuoteFlying Spaghetti Monster? Or Food-a-rama Super Markets Food-a-rama Super Markets are using His initials i vain - all pasta will be stricken from their shelves. WWFSM do?it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #117 September 16, 2005 Y'know Val, blaspheming against mythical guys like this God fellow is one thing, but now you are blaspheming about the FSM. You could get yourself in real trouble here. NO! Wait! That's right, the FSM isn't a petty little vindictive god like chuteless's. Nevermind, it's all good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #118 September 16, 2005 QuoteThe FIRST disciples had to EXPERIENCE something FIRST HAND Eyewitness accounts are some of the worst forms of evidence....There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #119 September 16, 2005 QuoteFood-a-rama Super Markets are using His initials i vain - all pasta will be stricken from their shelves. WWFSM do? So it is written, so shall it be obeyed. Ramen!Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #120 September 16, 2005 I want to start "Oh God! Oh God! I'm cumming! Oh God!" as the traditional FSM prayer.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePhelps 0 #121 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteThe FIRST disciples had to EXPERIENCE something FIRST HAND Eyewitness accounts are some of the worst forms of evidence.... In a court of law they carry the most weight. Is it REASONABLE they'd be willing to die for what they KNEW to be a lie? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #122 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe FIRST disciples had to EXPERIENCE something FIRST HAND Eyewitness accounts are some of the worst forms of evidence.... In a court of law they carry the most weight. Is it REASONABLE they'd be willing to die for what they KNEW to be a lie? I am not saying that. They may not know it is false (and I am not saying it is either). Hundreds of people say they see miracles all the time. Do we believe all of them? Our Lady of Guadalupe for instance. GROUPS of people say they witnessed something profound, but are they all true? perhaps. perhaps not. I don't think that someone dying for a cause indicates truth. It indicates conviction.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #123 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteARGUMENT FROM ORGASM: She screamed "Oh god, I'm cumming, oh god, oh god..." This is off-topic, but I am curious... Do some women really say this when they're having an orgasm (other than in porn or any other time that faking might be involved)? Yes. *SWOON* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #124 September 16, 2005 Quote Flying Spaghetti Monsterism Who do we make the checks out to?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #125 September 16, 2005 QuoteSorry but I believe that the Bible is a work of fiction and that any arguments based on it hold the same amount of weight as fairy tales. It is interesting to me how much time people at dz.com, who don't believe in God, spend talking about Him and how He "doesn't exist." If He "doesn't exist," talk about something else! It's like you think that if you say it enough, it'll come true. And if you can get support from others who believe He doesn't exist, you can *really* make Him go away. Keep trying, tho. Maybe eventually denying Him will anesthetize you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
