Vallerina 2 #51 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteAnyone can make up any kind of rule about any kind of God they wish and say that people everywhere are breaking the rules whether they believe in them or not. I can say that God doesn't want people to watch television, and if you watch television, you are breaking his rules whether you believe in them or not. So, in my mind, they are breaking God's rules. In their mind, they are not. The one's listed in the Bible carry a bit more weight than anyone's personal opinion. Do you think you've kept those? To you the Bible carries a bit more weight. Your God had people write the Bible. Other people have other Gods that do other things. Other people have other documents.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #52 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteSame goes for the Tooth Fairy (note how I used caps on Tooth Fairy to make sure I show the proper respect) Back to the argument of evidence. We really need to stay away from fairytale arguments and ground our discussion in reality. Sorry but I believe that the Bible is a work of fiction and that any arguments based on it hold the same amount of weight as fairy tales. You like your stories, I like mine. Just because you don't like mine doesn't mean you should dismiss them."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #53 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteAnyone can make up any kind of rule about any kind of God they wish and say that people everywhere are breaking the rules whether they believe in them or not. I can say that God doesn't want people to watch television, and if you watch television, you are breaking his rules whether you believe in them or not. So, in my mind, they are breaking God's rules. In their mind, they are not. The one's listed in the Bible carry a bit more weight than anyone's personal opinion. Do you think you've kept those? How about the Gods mentioned in the Iliad? Just because a Roman Emperor changed his mind about them and forced the issue does not mean he was right. I see Hebrew myths and Greek myths and Norse myths in much the same light. In fact, I hear thunder and see lightning; direct evidence for the existence of Zeus/Thor.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #54 September 16, 2005 Oh, and this was my favorite one: QuoteARGUMENT FROM INFINITE REGRESS (1) Ask Atheists what caused the Big Bang. (2) Regardless of their answer, ask how they know this. (3) Continue process until the Atheist admits he doesn't know the answer to one of your questions. (4) You win! (5) Therefore, God exists. I still find it odd that one of my science teachers used this as his proof that god exists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #55 September 16, 2005 QuoteTo you the Bible carries a bit more weight. Your God had people write the Bible. Other people have other Gods that do other things. Other people have other documents. Evidence for authenticity, reliability, historical accuracy, etc. come into play here as to which stories are credible and which ones are not. I believe, if studied, the evidence for the Bible far surpases the others. You didn't answer my question, though. If it is true, do you think you've kept the standard of the 10 Commandments? Do you think you're a good person? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #56 September 16, 2005 On the subject of Greeks, and to bring some levity, here's a joke: A Greek and an Italian were sitting in a Starbuck's one day discussing who had the superior culture. Over triple lattés the Greek says, "Well, we have the Parthenon, you know." Arching his eyebrows, the Italian replies, "We have the Coliseum." The Greek retorts, "We Greeks gave birth to advanced mathematics." The Italian, nods agreement, but says, "But we built the Roman Empire!" ............. and so on and so on until the Greek comes up with what he is sure will end the discussion. With a flourish of finality he says, "We Greeks invented sex!" The Italian thinks for a couple of seconds and replies quietly, "That is true, but it was the Italians who introduced it to women."We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #57 September 16, 2005 QuoteSorry but I believe that the Bible is a work of fiction and that any arguments based on it hold the same amount of weight as fairy tales.Quote Based on what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #58 September 16, 2005 QuoteHow about the Gods mentioned in the Iliad? Just because a Roman Emperor changed his mind about them and forced the issue does not mean he was right. I see Hebrew myths and Greek myths and Norse myths in much the same light. In fact, I hear thunder and see lightning; direct evidence for the existence of Zeus/Thor. Yes, but what evidence did they have that what they believed was true? Do they match up (even come close) to the ultimate demonstration of truth found in the New Testament? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #59 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteHow about the Gods mentioned in the Iliad? Just because a Roman Emperor changed his mind about them and forced the issue does not mean he was right. I see Hebrew myths and Greek myths and Norse myths in much the same light. In fact, I hear thunder and see lightning; direct evidence for the existence of Zeus/Thor. Yes, but what evidence did they have that what they believed was true? Do they match up (even come close) to the ultimate demonstration of truth found in the New Testament? I love trying to argues of the validity of a deity or religion by using the religion itself. its the bestest ever. Dude, stop bothering. Believe what you want and let it go. If people don't want to believe you will certainly not convince them by using the very book they don't believe in.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites IanHarrop 42 #60 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteSorry but I believe that the Bible is a work of fiction and that any arguments based on it hold the same amount of weight as fairy tales.Quote Based on what? Start with the story of creation, move to the flood story, keep going to the resurrection story. Some may believe that these are true accounts of what really happened but I do not."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites IanHarrop 42 #61 September 16, 2005 QuoteDude, stop bothering. Believe what you want and let it go. If people don't want to believe you will certainly not convince them by using the very book they don't believe in. Well said. "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #62 September 16, 2005 QuoteI believe, if studied, the evidence for the Bible far surpases the others. So, because something is (once again, in your mind) better than every other document, it must be true? That's kind of like saying that a medium fry is better than a large fry, so it must be good for me. Plus, when it comes to religion, most people don't rely on evidence to back it up. They use their faith. QuoteIf it is true, do you think you've kept the standard of the 10 Commandments? Do you think you're a good person? The standard meaning not breaking any of them, no. Heck, when I was four years old, I stole a pastry from a deli since my mom wouldn't buy it for me. I guess I was doomed since then. Do I think I'm a good person? Yes, but I'm guessing most people think that. There's always room for improvement (ie, I don't volunteer like I used to, I want to drive less than I currently do so that I don't harm the planet as much, etc etc etc.)There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #63 September 16, 2005 >could all this be just a chance event or did something make it. Next time you see a rotting animal, ask yourself the same thing. We are programmed to like how the world looks much of the time because we evolved here. If we evolved on Titan we'd love the sight of smog. >who has the power to make this. Physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #64 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteDude, stop bothering. Believe what you want and let it go. If people don't want to believe you will certainly not convince them by using the very book they don't believe in. Well said. Same here!!!! I'm glad there are other people who are more eloquent than I am!There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #65 September 16, 2005 >"That is true, but it was the Italians who introduced it to women." That's it! You're going straight to hay-ull! God does not find jokes about sex funny in the slightest. He prefers ventriloquists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #66 September 16, 2005 QuoteDude, stop bothering. Believe what you want and let it go. If people don't want to believe you will certainly not convince them by using the very book they don't believe in. You know... I've been posting on dz.com since April 10, 2003 and I have yet to start my own religious thread. Tell you the truth. I think I've only "started" two total. Many of these threads start out very different. Funny thing is, many times, there is always a religious implication and the discussion diverts. I didn't start this one. It was started to poke fun at Christianity or religion in general by a non-religious person. Please don't blame all this on me. This stuff gets rolling all by itself. I just jump in the mix. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #67 September 16, 2005 Quote >who has the power to make this. Physics.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #68 September 16, 2005 Quote That's it! You're going straight to hay-ull! Think they can pick up LSU games there? I'm sure the NYJets will be on constantly... We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #69 September 16, 2005 Quote ............. and so on and so on until the Greek comes up with what he is sure will end the discussion. With a flourish of finality he says, "We Greeks invented sex!" The Italian thinks for a couple of seconds and replies quietly, "That is true, but it was the Italians who introduced it to women." Proof that you are prejudiced against goats!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #70 September 16, 2005 Quote Proof that you are prejudiced against goats! Damn right I am! They smell funny.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #71 September 16, 2005 Oh, and Keely, some of us say that in response to many things when we are shocked, in pain, joyful, etc! It's just an multi-purpose phrase!There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #72 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuote >who has the power to make this. Physics. It's going to be very disturbing indeed when you eventually have to stand and be judged in front of your creator and all you have to hold up in your defense in your physics book. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #73 September 16, 2005 QuoteIt was started to poke fun at Christianity or religion in general by a non-religious person. It wasn't meant to poke fun at Christianity. Some of my best friends are Christians! What someone chooses to believe God is is their own personal choice. It was meant to poke fun at people who have the odd desire to try to prove that God exists and that everyone that doesn't believe in their God is going to Hell.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kris 0 #74 September 16, 2005 QuoteBillvon;;; you thinking it was funny, I can believe...but it doesnt make it funny. It is simply rude blasphemy no matter how one looks at it. How about this one? Jesus walks into a hotel, hands the innkeeper 3 nails, and asks, "Can you put me up for the night?" *badum dum TING!* Thanks folks. I'll be here all night. Try the fish and be sure to tip your waitresses!Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #75 September 16, 2005 QuoteOh, and Keely, some of us say that in response to many things when we are shocked, in pain, joyful, etc! It's just an multi-purpose phrase! You use "Oh god, I'm cumming, oh god, oh god..." as a multi-purpose phrase??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 3 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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pajarito 0 #58 September 16, 2005 QuoteHow about the Gods mentioned in the Iliad? Just because a Roman Emperor changed his mind about them and forced the issue does not mean he was right. I see Hebrew myths and Greek myths and Norse myths in much the same light. In fact, I hear thunder and see lightning; direct evidence for the existence of Zeus/Thor. Yes, but what evidence did they have that what they believed was true? Do they match up (even come close) to the ultimate demonstration of truth found in the New Testament? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #59 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteHow about the Gods mentioned in the Iliad? Just because a Roman Emperor changed his mind about them and forced the issue does not mean he was right. I see Hebrew myths and Greek myths and Norse myths in much the same light. In fact, I hear thunder and see lightning; direct evidence for the existence of Zeus/Thor. Yes, but what evidence did they have that what they believed was true? Do they match up (even come close) to the ultimate demonstration of truth found in the New Testament? I love trying to argues of the validity of a deity or religion by using the religion itself. its the bestest ever. Dude, stop bothering. Believe what you want and let it go. If people don't want to believe you will certainly not convince them by using the very book they don't believe in.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #60 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteSorry but I believe that the Bible is a work of fiction and that any arguments based on it hold the same amount of weight as fairy tales.Quote Based on what? Start with the story of creation, move to the flood story, keep going to the resurrection story. Some may believe that these are true accounts of what really happened but I do not."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites IanHarrop 42 #61 September 16, 2005 QuoteDude, stop bothering. Believe what you want and let it go. If people don't want to believe you will certainly not convince them by using the very book they don't believe in. Well said. "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #62 September 16, 2005 QuoteI believe, if studied, the evidence for the Bible far surpases the others. So, because something is (once again, in your mind) better than every other document, it must be true? That's kind of like saying that a medium fry is better than a large fry, so it must be good for me. Plus, when it comes to religion, most people don't rely on evidence to back it up. They use their faith. QuoteIf it is true, do you think you've kept the standard of the 10 Commandments? Do you think you're a good person? The standard meaning not breaking any of them, no. Heck, when I was four years old, I stole a pastry from a deli since my mom wouldn't buy it for me. I guess I was doomed since then. Do I think I'm a good person? Yes, but I'm guessing most people think that. There's always room for improvement (ie, I don't volunteer like I used to, I want to drive less than I currently do so that I don't harm the planet as much, etc etc etc.)There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #63 September 16, 2005 >could all this be just a chance event or did something make it. Next time you see a rotting animal, ask yourself the same thing. We are programmed to like how the world looks much of the time because we evolved here. If we evolved on Titan we'd love the sight of smog. >who has the power to make this. Physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #64 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteDude, stop bothering. Believe what you want and let it go. If people don't want to believe you will certainly not convince them by using the very book they don't believe in. Well said. Same here!!!! I'm glad there are other people who are more eloquent than I am!There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #65 September 16, 2005 >"That is true, but it was the Italians who introduced it to women." That's it! You're going straight to hay-ull! God does not find jokes about sex funny in the slightest. He prefers ventriloquists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #66 September 16, 2005 QuoteDude, stop bothering. Believe what you want and let it go. If people don't want to believe you will certainly not convince them by using the very book they don't believe in. You know... I've been posting on dz.com since April 10, 2003 and I have yet to start my own religious thread. Tell you the truth. I think I've only "started" two total. Many of these threads start out very different. Funny thing is, many times, there is always a religious implication and the discussion diverts. I didn't start this one. It was started to poke fun at Christianity or religion in general by a non-religious person. Please don't blame all this on me. This stuff gets rolling all by itself. I just jump in the mix. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #67 September 16, 2005 Quote >who has the power to make this. Physics.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #68 September 16, 2005 Quote That's it! You're going straight to hay-ull! Think they can pick up LSU games there? I'm sure the NYJets will be on constantly... We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #69 September 16, 2005 Quote ............. and so on and so on until the Greek comes up with what he is sure will end the discussion. With a flourish of finality he says, "We Greeks invented sex!" The Italian thinks for a couple of seconds and replies quietly, "That is true, but it was the Italians who introduced it to women." Proof that you are prejudiced against goats!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #70 September 16, 2005 Quote Proof that you are prejudiced against goats! Damn right I am! They smell funny.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #71 September 16, 2005 Oh, and Keely, some of us say that in response to many things when we are shocked, in pain, joyful, etc! It's just an multi-purpose phrase!There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #72 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuote >who has the power to make this. Physics. It's going to be very disturbing indeed when you eventually have to stand and be judged in front of your creator and all you have to hold up in your defense in your physics book. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #73 September 16, 2005 QuoteIt was started to poke fun at Christianity or religion in general by a non-religious person. It wasn't meant to poke fun at Christianity. Some of my best friends are Christians! What someone chooses to believe God is is their own personal choice. It was meant to poke fun at people who have the odd desire to try to prove that God exists and that everyone that doesn't believe in their God is going to Hell.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kris 0 #74 September 16, 2005 QuoteBillvon;;; you thinking it was funny, I can believe...but it doesnt make it funny. It is simply rude blasphemy no matter how one looks at it. How about this one? Jesus walks into a hotel, hands the innkeeper 3 nails, and asks, "Can you put me up for the night?" *badum dum TING!* Thanks folks. I'll be here all night. Try the fish and be sure to tip your waitresses!Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #75 September 16, 2005 QuoteOh, and Keely, some of us say that in response to many things when we are shocked, in pain, joyful, etc! It's just an multi-purpose phrase! You use "Oh god, I'm cumming, oh god, oh god..." as a multi-purpose phrase??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 3 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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IanHarrop 42 #61 September 16, 2005 QuoteDude, stop bothering. Believe what you want and let it go. If people don't want to believe you will certainly not convince them by using the very book they don't believe in. Well said. "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #62 September 16, 2005 QuoteI believe, if studied, the evidence for the Bible far surpases the others. So, because something is (once again, in your mind) better than every other document, it must be true? That's kind of like saying that a medium fry is better than a large fry, so it must be good for me. Plus, when it comes to religion, most people don't rely on evidence to back it up. They use their faith. QuoteIf it is true, do you think you've kept the standard of the 10 Commandments? Do you think you're a good person? The standard meaning not breaking any of them, no. Heck, when I was four years old, I stole a pastry from a deli since my mom wouldn't buy it for me. I guess I was doomed since then. Do I think I'm a good person? Yes, but I'm guessing most people think that. There's always room for improvement (ie, I don't volunteer like I used to, I want to drive less than I currently do so that I don't harm the planet as much, etc etc etc.)There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #63 September 16, 2005 >could all this be just a chance event or did something make it. Next time you see a rotting animal, ask yourself the same thing. We are programmed to like how the world looks much of the time because we evolved here. If we evolved on Titan we'd love the sight of smog. >who has the power to make this. Physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #64 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteDude, stop bothering. Believe what you want and let it go. If people don't want to believe you will certainly not convince them by using the very book they don't believe in. Well said. Same here!!!! I'm glad there are other people who are more eloquent than I am!There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #65 September 16, 2005 >"That is true, but it was the Italians who introduced it to women." That's it! You're going straight to hay-ull! God does not find jokes about sex funny in the slightest. He prefers ventriloquists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #66 September 16, 2005 QuoteDude, stop bothering. Believe what you want and let it go. If people don't want to believe you will certainly not convince them by using the very book they don't believe in. You know... I've been posting on dz.com since April 10, 2003 and I have yet to start my own religious thread. Tell you the truth. I think I've only "started" two total. Many of these threads start out very different. Funny thing is, many times, there is always a religious implication and the discussion diverts. I didn't start this one. It was started to poke fun at Christianity or religion in general by a non-religious person. Please don't blame all this on me. This stuff gets rolling all by itself. I just jump in the mix. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #67 September 16, 2005 Quote >who has the power to make this. Physics.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #68 September 16, 2005 Quote That's it! You're going straight to hay-ull! Think they can pick up LSU games there? I'm sure the NYJets will be on constantly... We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #69 September 16, 2005 Quote ............. and so on and so on until the Greek comes up with what he is sure will end the discussion. With a flourish of finality he says, "We Greeks invented sex!" The Italian thinks for a couple of seconds and replies quietly, "That is true, but it was the Italians who introduced it to women." Proof that you are prejudiced against goats!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #70 September 16, 2005 Quote Proof that you are prejudiced against goats! Damn right I am! They smell funny.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #71 September 16, 2005 Oh, and Keely, some of us say that in response to many things when we are shocked, in pain, joyful, etc! It's just an multi-purpose phrase!There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #72 September 16, 2005 QuoteQuote >who has the power to make this. Physics. It's going to be very disturbing indeed when you eventually have to stand and be judged in front of your creator and all you have to hold up in your defense in your physics book. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #73 September 16, 2005 QuoteIt was started to poke fun at Christianity or religion in general by a non-religious person. It wasn't meant to poke fun at Christianity. Some of my best friends are Christians! What someone chooses to believe God is is their own personal choice. It was meant to poke fun at people who have the odd desire to try to prove that God exists and that everyone that doesn't believe in their God is going to Hell.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #74 September 16, 2005 QuoteBillvon;;; you thinking it was funny, I can believe...but it doesnt make it funny. It is simply rude blasphemy no matter how one looks at it. How about this one? Jesus walks into a hotel, hands the innkeeper 3 nails, and asks, "Can you put me up for the night?" *badum dum TING!* Thanks folks. I'll be here all night. Try the fish and be sure to tip your waitresses!Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #75 September 16, 2005 QuoteOh, and Keely, some of us say that in response to many things when we are shocked, in pain, joyful, etc! It's just an multi-purpose phrase! You use "Oh god, I'm cumming, oh god, oh god..." as a multi-purpose phrase??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
