Black Woman Executed in Texas

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***Show me one person over 120 years old who refused *to die* and I'll be impressed.

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That's pretty funny!

That is not the only reference, just one of a few I could have posted. I don't see anything that forbids goverments from carrying out the death penalty in the bible though, but I do not claim to know it all, that's for sure.

Mrs. WaltAppel

All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28

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That is not the only reference, just one of a few I could have posted. I don't see anything that forbids goverments from carrying out the death penalty in the bible though,
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Seems that there was something about "THALL SHALL NOT KILL" but perhaps I'm mistaken.
Another thing about forgive trespasses but don't hold me to that.
Judge not?

Shoot, I'm just not very well versed in Bible study! I could never be a *good Christian*.

Blues,
Cliff

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Another thing about forgive trespasses but don't hold me to that.
Judge not?

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Mathew 7:1 "judge not, lest ye be judged." If you read the proceeding verses, it is talking about hypocritical judgment. In other words, if you are partaking in a sin do not judge someone else for the same sin. John 7:24 says "judge righteous judgment". Sometimes a verse has a whole different meaning when we read it in context.

Genesis 9:6 "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed"

Romans 13 talks about being subject to our government ...verse 4 "but if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain..."

Mrs. WaltAppel

All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28

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"thou shalt not kill"

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Another tidbit. The original Hebrew translation was "thou shalt not murder". You are probably thinking "what's the difference". Murder is intentional and done with malice. If you run over someone and kill them because they ran in front of your car, is that murder? If you shoot someone in self defense is it the same as just shooting them in cold blood? Of course not. I know you are thinking "well, the death penalty is done intentionally". Yes, but it is an act of punishment, not malice.

Yes, I realize this may open a whole big can of worms. If there wasn't a difference between murder and kill then we couldn't defend our country.

I'm sure you guys have some different perspectives on this and It's going to be interesting to read them.

Mrs. WaltAppel

All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28

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In other words, if you are partaking in a sin do not judge someone else for the same sin.
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Let me ask you this; is abortion OK ?

If not how can you defend the state sanctioned executions?

Render unto Ceaser but did Ceaser create the Man?

Blues,
Cliff

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Another thing about forgive trespasses but don't hold me to that.
Judge not?

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Mathew 7:1 "judge not, lest ye be judged." If you read the proceeding verses, it is talking about hypocritical judgment. In other words, if you are partaking in a sin do not judge someone else for the same sin. John 7:24 says "judge righteous judgment". Sometimes a verse has a whole different meaning when we read it in context.

Genesis 9:6 "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed"

Romans 13 talks about being subject to our government ...verse 4 "but if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain..."

But of course, Jesus trumps the old testament, and Jesus even trumps St. Paul. Go read the Sermon on the Mount again.

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so here is something interesting I have been thinking about and since we are talking about Biblical sanctioning of killing, this seems appropriate.

A while back, in another thread, pajarito and I got into a discussion about the Commandment, 'Thou shalt not kill" to which he replied that it was actually 'Thou shalt not murder'.

And what is the difference?

killing - a action which causes death
murder - any ILLEGAL action which causes death.

Therefore, killing is allowed, as long as it is LEGAL under your government (parajito also pointed out that Jesus recognized the authority of governments).

Therefore, since the death penalty is legal, it is not MURDER and is allowed.

I figure you can have it two ways: either the Jesus said that ALL killing was bad or that only murder is bad. If all killing is bad, then the death penalty is wrong. If only murder, then it is okay because the law of our land (at current time) says so.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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I figure you can have it two ways: either the Jesus said that ALL killing was bad or that only murder is bad. If all killing is bad, then abortion and the death penalty are wrong. If only murder, then they are okay because the law of our land (at current time) says so.

So the answer to your question is obvious, since the US condones killing in a "legal" fashion then only murder is bad.

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

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I figure you can have it two ways: either the Jesus said that ALL killing was bad or that only murder is bad. If all killing is bad, then abortion and the death penalty are wrong. If only murder, then they are okay because the law of our land (at current time) says so.

So the answer to your question is obvious, since the US condones killing in a "legal" fashion then only murder is bad.

I never made a question, but that about sums it up anyway. Please note that I am not stating my personal belief, just pointing something interesting from the Bible perspective.

Really, i just like arguing the bible.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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Really, i just like arguing the bible.

I find arguing about a work of fiction a waste of time, so I don't bother.

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

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Another tidbit. The original Hebrew translation was "thou shalt not murder". You are probably thinking "what's the difference". Murder is intentional and done with malice. If you run over someone and kill them because they ran in front of your car, is that murder? If you shoot someone in self defense is it the same as just shooting them in cold blood? Of course not. I know you are thinking "well, the death penalty is done intentionally". Yes, but it is an act of punishment, not malice.

I think the hebrew word that Thou shalt not kill is translated from means 'kill intentionally'. State sponsored murder is without a doubt intentional.

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A legal execution is NOT murder, regardless of your opinion on it.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Another tidbit. The original Hebrew translation was "thou shalt not murder". You are probably thinking "what's the difference". Murder is intentional and done with malice. If you run over someone and kill them because they ran in front of your car, is that murder? If you shoot someone in self defense is it the same as just shooting them in cold blood? Of course not. I know you are thinking "well, the death penalty is done intentionally". Yes, but it is an act of punishment, not malice.

I think the hebrew word that Thou shalt not kill is translated from means 'kill intentionally'. State sponsored murder is without a doubt intentional.

Actually, it translates from the word ratsach which means on one hand "killing by actions which are predatory" and on the other "killing without just cause"

Ie. If someone commits a worthy crime, you can kill them for it.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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Another tidbit. The original Hebrew translation was "thou shalt not murder". You are probably thinking "what's the difference". Murder is intentional and done with malice. If you run over someone and kill them because they ran in front of your car, is that murder? If you shoot someone in self defense is it the same as just shooting them in cold blood? Of course not. I know you are thinking "well, the death penalty is done intentionally". Yes, but it is an act of punishment, not malice.

I think the hebrew word that Thou shalt not kill is translated from means 'kill intentionally'. State sponsored murder is without a doubt intentional.

NOTE TO SANGIRO: instead of moderators, can we have Chaplains in this forum?

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Another tidbit. The original Hebrew translation was "thou shalt not murder". You are probably thinking "what's the difference". Murder is intentional and done with malice. If you run over someone and kill them because they ran in front of your car, is that murder? If you shoot someone in self defense is it the same as just shooting them in cold blood? Of course not. I know you are thinking "well, the death penalty is done intentionally". Yes, but it is an act of punishment, not malice.

I think the hebrew word that Thou shalt not kill is translated from means 'kill intentionally'. State sponsored murder is without a doubt intentional.

NOTE TO SANGIRO: instead of moderators, can we have Chaplains in this forum?

Sorry, its just that it often goes to the Bible so I have to make my comments based on that.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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I think the hebrew word that Thou shalt not kill is translated from means 'kill intentionally'. State sponsored murder is without a doubt intentional.

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The Jewish sages note that the word “ratsakh” applies only to illegal killing (e.g., premeditated murder or manslaughter) — and is never used in the administration of justice or for killing in war. Hence the KJV translation as “thou shalt not kill” is too broad.

Since man is made in the image of God, his life is infinitely precious — only God Himself has the right to give and take life. In the Mishnah it is written, “Why was only one man (i.e., Adam) created by God? — to teach that whoever takes a single life destroys thereby a whole world.”

But murder can be figurative as well as literal. The Talmud notes that shaming another publicly is like murder, since the shame causes the blood to leave the face. Moreover, gossip or slander are considered murderous to the dignity of man. The Pirkei Avot (Ethics of the Fathers) states, “The evil tongue slays three persons: the utterer of the evil, the listener, and the one spoken about…” The Lord Jesus also linked the ideas of our words and attitudes with murder (see Matt. 15:19).

Thou shalt not kill

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This thread proves RACE does matter.

Not because of the article, but because the Black community still thinks it matters.
After Listening to Michael Savage on this topic the other night, I am convinced now more than ever Race does matter. Does it make me a racist? Maybe, maybe not. But, I think everything should be prefaced by a persons race.
The blacks think Race should be an issue in New Orleans, so I argue it should be an issue in school acceptance, and everyother sector of life.

All article stories and everything else should start by saying... "John Doe a (White/black/Hispanic) man from Anywhere USA was....."

It obviously matters, so let's stop hiding it and make our own conclusions.

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In the Economist there was a little graph about people in prison. The US has 700+ people in prison per million. The UK and France have 100+, and Japan has under 60.

I'm not sure that the US is 7 times as diverse as France or Britain, or that Americans are that much more violent. And if we are, wouldn't that be a bad thing instead of a good thing?

This ignores the social consequences of leniency and of having those 600 people free the street to continue to prey on the rest of populace.

It also suggests there are only 6000 prisoners of all sorts in the entire UK, I seriously question that number. There are lies, damned lies and statistics.

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In the Economist there was a little graph about people in prison. The US has 700+ people in prison per million. The UK and France have 100+, and Japan has under 60.

I'm not sure that the US is 7 times as diverse as France or Britain, or that Americans are that much more violent. And if we are, wouldn't that be a bad thing instead of a good thing?

This ignores the social consequences of leniency and of having those 600 people free the street to continue to prey on the rest of populace.

It also suggests there are only 6000 prisoners of all sorts in the entire UK, I seriously question that number. There are lies, damned lies and statistics.

You are correct - ALL the numbers are off by a factor of 10.

More than 8.75 million people are held in penal institutions throughout the world, mostly as
pre-trial detainees (remand prisoners) or having been convicted and sentenced. About half of
these are in the United States (1.96m), Russia (0.92m) or China (1.43m plus pre-trial
detainees and prisoners in ‘administrative detention’).
● The United States has the highest prison population rate in the world, some 686 per 100,000
of the national population, followed by the Cayman Islands (664), Russia (638), Belarus (554),
Kazakhstan (522), Turkmenistan (489), Belize (459), Bahamas (447), Suriname (437) and
Dominica (420).
● However, more than three-fifths of countries (62.5%) have rates below 150 per 100,000. (The
United Kingdom’s rate of 139 per 100,000 of the national population places it above the midpoint
in the World List; it is now the highest among countries of the European Union.)
● Prison population rates vary considerably between different regions of the world, and between
different parts of the same continent. For example:
● in Africa the median rate for western and central African countries is 50 whereas for
southern African countries it is 362;
● in the Americas the median rate for south American countries is 107 whereas for
Caribbean countries it is 297;
● in Asia the median rate for south central Asian countries (mainly the Indian sub-continent)
is 54 whereas for (ex-Soviet) central Asian countries it is 426;
● in Europe the median rate for southern European countries is 69 whereas for central and
eastern European countries it is 213;
● in Oceania (including Australia and New Zealand) the median rate is 110.
● Prison populations are growing in many parts of the world. Updated information on countries
included in the previous editions of the World Prison Population List shows that prison
populations have risen in 68% of these countries (in 61% of countries in Africa, 68% in the
Americas, 87% in Asia, 65% in Europe and 50% in Oceania).

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Interesting - made me go look up the rate for Canada "In 2000, Canada imprisoned its population at a rate of 118 per 100,000" the only data I could find.

And to think Canada is right next door to the USA.

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

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You are correct - ALL the numbers are off by a factor of 10.

Obviously I misremembered. But, well, ya know -- if the ratios are similar, maybe the question still stands.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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***I figure you can have it two ways: either the Jesus said that ALL killing was bad or that only murder is bad. If all killing is bad, then the death penalty is wrong. If only murder, then it is okay because the law of our land (at current time) says so.

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Then we can't go to war either and if someone is threatening me or my kids I cannot kill them to protect us. As I stated earlier, murder is intentional and maliciuos (sp). If I kill someone in self-defense, it is not malicious, I am simply defending myself. The debate on capital punishment is definatley a tough one, and I can understand both sides. I just have yet to find a verse in the New testament that is against it.

Mrs. WaltAppel

All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28

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***I think the hebrew word that Thou shalt not kill is translated from means 'kill intentionally'. State sponsored murder is without a doubt intentional.

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That is correct, but as I stated in a previous post, it is not malicious. There may be some (members of the victim's family) who really want revenge and want the offender dead, but to the government, it is part of their job. (supposed to be anyway).

Mrs. WaltAppel

All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28

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That is correct, but as I stated in a previous post, it is not malicious. There may be some (members of the victim's family) who really want revenge and want the offender dead, but to the government, it is part of their job. (supposed to be anyway).

Actually, malicious roughly translate to having the intention to do harm. It is hard to argue that someone killing someone else on purpose has no intention to do harm.

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

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***Let me ask you this; is abortion OK ?

If not how can you defend the state sanctioned executions?

Render unto Ceaser but did Ceaser create the Man?

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In my opinion, no, abortion is not okay! But that is a whole different can of worms.

This is how I can defend that.

Executions: offenders are put to death as a direct consequence of taking another human life. They are fully developed (at least physically) and are responsible for their actions.

Abortion: What are these babies being killed for? What could they possibly have done to merit the extermination of their lives? NOTHING

full-grown adult vs. underdeveloped baby

I understand about the argument of women having the right to do as they please with their bodies, and I am absolutely AGAINST bombing abortion clinics.

Mrs. WaltAppel

All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28