br0k3n 0 #51 September 13, 2005 Quote The major reason I believe he exists is because Jesus Christ said he does. Isnt that like say, "I reason i believe the tooth fairy exists is because Santa Claus said he/she does" ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #52 September 13, 2005 QuoteDo you believe in Satan? Absolutely not!!! When I lived in Colorado Springs a few years back I was exposed to some "Focus on the Family" people and those folks were obsessed with the Devil. They would claim that whenever I would do something that went against their morals, it was the Devil who was possessing me. I tried to explain to them that it wasn't the Devil who just did this or that, it was my own free will. But they won't have it. Thank God I've put some miles between myself and those folks. As far as I'm concerned, the Devil like the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause and yes Jesus are all figments of people's imaginations. I can buy that a fellow by the name of Jesus walked this earth and was crucified by the Romans. But I don't buy into the Christian message because as far as I'm concerned the bible is fictional book. No the Devil does not exist ... Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #53 September 13, 2005 Quotewhat causes me to fly off the handle is people like you w/o an ounce of respect for the beliefs of others. you're very inconsiderate. but when others start talking about YOUR beliefs, YOUR lifestyle, you'll be the first to scream descrimination, bigotry, hatred, gay bashing, etc.... troll... indeed... Michael, I have spoken to Keith on the phone several times. I have shared many pm's with him. I can assure you that I honestly do not believe for one second that he is anything like you just described. OTOH, I also know you and I know you are not trolling. The Keith I have come to know is truly a very good person and is very generous with his friendship. He is a person like you and I who is trying to do only good with his life. I wish there were more people like Keith and you in this world.As you know, we are responsible for loving all people unconditionally from all walks of life. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #54 September 13, 2005 QuoteThey would claim that whenever I would do something that went against their morals, it was the Devil who was possessing me. I tried to explain to them that it wasn't the Devil who just did this or that, it was my own free will. But they won't have it. Thank God I've put some miles between myself and those folks. I completely agree with this statement. I also think you were very smart to 'put some miles between yourself and them'. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #55 September 13, 2005 Quote The major reason I believe he exists is because Jesus Christ said he does. QuoteIsnt that like say, "I reason i believe the tooth fairy exists is because Santa Claus said he/she does" VERY clever, broken. Don't forget to tell that one to Jesus! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #56 September 13, 2005 QuoteQuote The major reason I believe he exists is because Jesus Christ said he does. QuoteIsnt that like saying, "the reason i believe the tooth fairy exists is because Santa Claus said he/she does" VERY clever, broken. Don't forget to tell that one to Jesus! So whats the difference?????----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #57 September 13, 2005 ***Sorry champ, but dowsing, after astrology is the most widely debunked pseudoscience out there…. Most of the time it is the result of the idometer effect, or just luck… Although I will give you the benefit of the doubt here and if you genuinely believe that it works and you can “dowse” then you could make yourself a $Million dollars… Interested????? Besides what effect do you think the water has on the rods that causes them to move???? Nothing mystical about dowsing. Try it sometime. It does work. FINALLY NEW SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE BEHIND DOWSING ----------------------------------------------------------- Divining rods and all common dowsing devices, are the simplest forms of electroscopes. The bent rod for example is just a variation of Gilbert's straw needle electroscope. The divining rods are charged with static electricity from the dowser's own body. This static electricity can be seen quite adequately with a simple millivolt meter. This voltage is measured between the hands of the dowser, to measure this voltage accurately a diff amp should be used at the input to the voltmeter, "this eliminates stray signals which are common to both hands". The amount of voltage will vary depending on the person. A good dowser will have a high reading, "above 100 mv" while a poor dowser may read as low as,"0 mv.". For males the right hand is usually a negative polarity, and the left hand is positive in polarity. These polarities are usually reversed in females. The divining rod charged positively will rotate in the dowsers hand to line up parallel to a negatively charged object being dowsed. A divining rod charged negatively will remain perpendicular to a negatively charged object being dowsed. This is because like charges repel, while unlike charges attract. Thus both bent divining rods are not required for dowsing. When two divining rods are used, and they are seen to cross, one of the rods is being moved to line up parallel with the charged object being dowsed. The other rod is moving to line up parallel to the first rod. A second reason for the two rods crossing is that of dowsing over an alternating current source, such as a pipeline or buried cable. these are usually buried shallow and are conducting ground currents as the path of least resistance. The above statements can easily be proven by, dowsing over negatively and positively charged objects. The devices used in my experiments were, a rubber rod rubbed with cat fur to produce the positive charged object, while a glass rod rubbed with silk was used to produce the negatively charged object. The reason conventional devices cannot detect these positive and negative charges, is probably because of the array in which the charged object gives off it's lines of force in all directions. Most instruments being omnidirectional devices would not pick up the small incremental changes in voltage along the earth’s surface. But the bent divining rods being unidirectional devices, can only turn to line up parallel to the charged object, when they are directly above the charged object. The willow crotch is another type of dowsing device, this divining rod begins to pick up an attraction to the charged object prior to reaching the object, having it’s greatest amount of pull directly over the object. After dowsing with the willow crotch , the crotch itself can laid down and dowsed with the bent rods, which will indicate a charge left on each arm of the crotch, one positive and one negative. A metallic pendulum attached by a wire will take on the charge of the hand it is being held by. A pendulum held by a nonconductive string will take on the charge of the last hand which held the pendulum. The pendulum when rotating above an object of a similar charge will continue to rotate and eventually swing back and forth perpendicular to the object. This pendulum when rotating above an object of the opposite charge will start to swing back and forth parallel to the object being dowsed. Caution here when dowsing an object you have touched the object will usually take on the charge of the last hand that touched it. This can be demonstrated by dowsing over an object such as a table knife depending on which hand touched the knife last an opposite reaction of the dowsing device will be seen. Another interesting phenomenon To discover the depth of a water stream underground some dowsers use a long rod, made of either iron or a fresh cut poplar pole. This pole is held by one end near the located underground stream, the other end of the rod is allowed to oscillate up and down directly over the stream. The number of oscillations are counted and this is the approximate number of feet below the earth where the water will be found. This action can also be demonstrated, by realizing that the rod is just a pendulum working in a vertical plane rather than a horizontal one. To duplicate this action a charged object can be placed on a table, by having a pendulum swing back and forth, a few feet away, and in the same horizontal plane the number of oscillations can be counted. By moving the pendulum closer or farther from the object the number of oscillations will decrease or increase. When this is graphed, number of oscillations vs. distance, a straight line graph will be observed. By varying the length of the wire on the pendulum, the slope of the line will vary. My theory here is that a static electric wave or pulse is being sent to the object being dowsed, this charge is being reflected back from the object being dowsed, when it reaches the pendulum again as the same charge it stops the oscillations, since like charges repel. Giel Dutoit of South Africa sent me info on a discovery he had made. If you place a 250k ohm potentiometer between the dowsers hands as he is dowsing. You will see a decrease in his dowsing ability as this resistance is decreased to a zero ohms. In testing this I have also found it to be valid. Giel can be contacted at gieldutoit@hotmail.com The significance of these finding are overwhelming . The applications in which dowsing has been used is HUGE. When all of these applications have been explored scientifically Mankind will take another leap forward. For reference to differential amplifier circuit click here. For further Scientific information on the subject, check out: JohnWilcock also Dr. Hans Dieter Betz TEN YEAR DOWSING STUDY and Human Energy Field (scientific theories) Part 1 and Part 2 or e-mail Ken Tylosky"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #58 September 13, 2005 Quote Before the compilation of the NT... How did Bill Gates get into this discussion?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #59 September 13, 2005 QuoteQuote Before the compilation of the NT... How did Bill Gates get into this discussion? isn't he the anti-christ? son of satan? something like that? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #60 September 13, 2005 I prefer to think of the Devil as a character that enjoys giving Adolf Hitler a big pineapple up the ass every day. Now, name that movie! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #61 September 13, 2005 QuoteI prefer to think of the Devil as a character that enjoys giving Adolf Hitler a big pineapple up the ass every day. Now, name that movie! don't know the movie, but damn that's a great visual! -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverborg 0 #62 September 13, 2005 QuoteNow, name that movie just a guess, but was it little nicky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #63 September 13, 2005 QuoteQuotewhat causes me to fly off the handle is people like you w/o an ounce of respect for the beliefs of others. you're very inconsiderate. but when others start talking about YOUR beliefs, YOUR lifestyle, you'll be the first to scream descrimination, bigotry, hatred, gay bashing, etc.... troll... indeed... Michael, I have spoken to Keith on the phone several times. I have shared many pm's with him. I can assure you that I honestly do not believe for one second that he is anything like you just described. OTOH, I also know you and I know you are not trolling. The Keith I have come to know is truly a very good person and is very generous with his friendship. He is a person like you and I who is trying to do only good with his life. I wish there were more people like Keith and you in this world.As you know, we are responsible for loving all people unconditionally from all walks of life. perhaps people would believe what you say about him and me if our posts reflected the virtues you say we have... edited to put my post in it's proper place... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outrager 6 #64 September 13, 2005 QuoteWith all the talk of whether or not people believe in God, I am curious to know how many people believe in Satan. Now obviously anyone who believes in the Christian Bible must believe in Satan, so I am interested more in hearing from those who have their own interpretation of "God". Do you also have your own interpretation of "Satan"? Why, yes! In fact, i've named the last cliff i opened up this summer "Lucifer" I am sure that locals share a similar view, as the trail leading up to it carries the number 666. Exiting over that trail filled with a bunch of unsuspecting tourists, letting a out a scream of horror, waiting for them to join the screamfest, then flying out into the valley... pure evil! Oh, and "Lucifer" translates as "Rising Star"... very romantic, just like i am! bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piercewhat 0 #65 September 13, 2005 Satanic people say there is no god and they believe in Satan or worship him. The battle is always good and evil if there is one then of course the other exists. I don't believe in either and those who believe in one have to believe in the other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #66 September 13, 2005 QuoteThe Keith I have come to know is truly a very good person and is very generous with his friendship. Agreed. Keith has a beautiful heart and very kind soul. I am very happy to call him my friend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #67 September 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteNow, name that movie just a guess, but was it little nicky Yeppers! Little Nicky. And Adolph was dressed in a sexy maid's outfit, to boot! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #68 September 13, 2005 Yes, and he trolls Speakers Corner on DZ.com_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #69 September 14, 2005 Quote Nothing mystical about dowsing. Correct Quote Try it sometime. It does work Incorrect Quote FINALLY NEW SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE BEHIND DOWSING Dude, did you even read what you posted?? Quote“For males the right hand is usually a negative polarity, and the left hand is positive in polarity. These polarities are usually reversed in females.” Is this chap aware of something that is unknown to modern day science…. Quote“The reason conventional devices cannot detect these positive and negative charges, is probably because of the array in which the charged object gives off it's lines of force in all directions” Complete quackery… demonstrates a clear lack of understanding about EMF and EMF detection.. (see comment below) Quote“This can be demonstrated by dowsing over an object such as a table knife depending on which hand touched the knife last an opposite reaction of the dowsing device will be seen.” Perfect example and demonstration of the idometer effect… ***“A second reason for the two rods crossing is that of dowsing over an alternating current source, such as a pipeline or buried cable. these are usually buried shallow and are conducting ground currents as the path of least resistance.”*** Again complete quackery and lack of understanding about Alternating current, and beside the last sentence doesn’t even make sense… If the current was indeed alternating, and the woo woo rods where somehow detecting this EMF, then surely they would cross and un cross repeatedly…. Anyway most of the flummery that you posted claims that dowsing works via Electro Magnetic Fields (EMF).. However that doesn’t explain how you dowsed for water.. but let’s just skip that… Incase you were unaware technology of today boasts enormously sensitive detectors. To put things into perspective, consider the example that technology enables us to receive radio signals (low-frequency electromagnetic radiation) from distant satellites travelling on the verges of our solar system. The emitter of these signals has the power of 20 watts, i.e. the same power as a very weak light bulb. This light we are able to see and interpret from billions of kilometres away. But we can't detect the field that causes a Y-rod to swing so fast it can almost hurt you. If dowsing actually exist, the forces involved are very likely something else than electromagnetic radiation. Controlled field and laboratory tests have failed to establish the validity of dowsing, and judged by scientific standards the practice has little basis in fact. - Encyclopedia Americana So to conclude my offer still goes to give you the benefit of the doubt in that if you actually believe you can dowse, then I can put you in touch with someone who, after you have successfully proved that you, or anyone in fact can dowse, they will pay you $1million … now for something that you say is fact and works, and you have done yourself.. then you have nothing to loose and Million bucks to gain… 1. Can you dowse – YES or NO.?????----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #70 September 14, 2005 QuoteWhy, yes! In fact, i've named the last cliff i opened up this summer "Lucifer" How sweet of you to name a cliff after me. 666 is my lucky number... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #71 September 14, 2005 I'm a bit confused about this satan thingy. Saint Nicholas or Santa Claus and good ol' St Nick are apparently one and the same?????? Satan wanted God to share his power with the rest of the angels but got kicked out of heaven for thinking like that. Now we only worship Santa Claus for one day a year when we're supposed to worship god and the heavenly choir all the time. It seems like Satan was just a 'power to the people' type angel....punished by a jealous selfish goddy. Not sure about this as a very drunk irish priest taught us this and some other confusing things. Now it seems like heaven would be a very boring place to be with Santa Claus's version of hell being much more enticing. I suppose hell is where ol' St Nick don't visit much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #72 September 14, 2005 You say: Quote As far as I'm concerned, the Devil like the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause and yes Jesus are all figments of people's imaginations. Yet, you also say QuoteThank God I've put some miles between myself and those folks. Curious, that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #73 September 14, 2005 Couldn't possibly have been tongue in cheek could it?? The kinda thing people often put this next to to hammer the point home.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #74 September 14, 2005 QuoteWhy, yes! In fact, i've named the last cliff i opened up this summer "Lucifer" I am sure that locals share a similar view, as the trail leading up to it carries the number 666. Exiting over that trail filled with a bunch of unsuspecting tourists, letting a out a scream of horror, waiting for them to join the screamfest, then flying out into the valley... pure evil! Coolest thing I have ever read on speakers corner. Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #75 September 14, 2005 If you are talking about the James Randi Foundation, I am already familiar with that group. Can I dowse? I did find all the water line and septic lines in back of my place by using rods. Could I find a well in the desert? I doubt it. As far as finding unmarked lines that have been buried for over fifty years, I did not have one miss. Could I prove this? Only those who were here know the truth. I suggest that you try it sometime. I was somewhat amazed that it actually worked."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites