StreetScooby 5 #51 September 13, 2005 Quote The original manuscripts were written in Hebrew... What are the Hebrew words for BEER and COOLER? How about BIGGER COOLER? We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #52 September 13, 2005 QuoteQuote The original manuscripts were written in Hebrew... What are the Hebrew words for BEER and COOLER? How about BIGGER COOLER? A bigger cooler is worthless without more beer...illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #53 September 13, 2005 LOL BTW EricTheRed - I got your PM and replied. Sorry for the delay, I just wasn't looking at that part of the web page.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #54 September 13, 2005 Provided that you're happy with that - good for you. So long as you can see that others have a completely different (even opposite) view, which is just as valid to us. Regards, (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #55 September 13, 2005 QuoteThe original manuscripts were written in Hebrew, and Greek, by more than 40 different writers over a 1500 year period. Your forgot Aramaic... Whoops Kris didn't - sorry..... note to self: read more than post (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #56 September 13, 2005 I don't know what Bill will do when Bush leaves office in 2009 and the USA is still standing. But let's stick to the real topic- I've been wondering more how soon the human race will start de-evolution in earnest. In most Western countries, child birth rates are inversely related to wealth/success, which to a less perfect degree is based on intelligence and physical attributes. The less successful are reproducing at a much higher rate. And the unfit in a biological sense are generally able to have children before their faults kill them. Given many many generations, seems like that would lead to decline overall, and possibly a small offshoot of the elite. And then revolution by the apes. But only if resources can sustain our population for the thousand (?) years necessary to see it happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #57 September 13, 2005 QuoteIn most Western countries, child birth rates are inversely related to wealth/success, which to a less perfect degree is based on intelligence and physical attributes. The less successful are reproducing at a much higher rate. And the unfit in a biological sense are generally able to have children before their faults kill them. I can't wait to see the responses to this one. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #58 September 13, 2005 >I've been wondering more how soon the human race will start >de-evolution in earnest. Never! We will continue to evolve to whatever produces the most children. >And the unfit in a biological sense are generally able to have children >before their faults kill them. Then they are _more_ fit in an evolutionary sense. Evolution does not take our definitions of 'advanced' or 'better' into account; the only thing it cares about is ability to reproduce. >But only if resources can sustain our population for the thousand (?) > years necessary to see it happen. That's the key. If we evolve to a dumber species, then we lose the ability to support ourselves, and someone/something else takes over. It's happened countless times in the history of our planet, thougg we are by far the most extreme example we've found so far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #59 September 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteIn most Western countries, child birth rates are inversely related to wealth/success, which to a less perfect degree is based on intelligence and physical attributes. The less successful are reproducing at a much higher rate. And the unfit in a biological sense are generally able to have children before their faults kill them. I can't wait to see the responses to this one. Empires rise and empires fall.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #60 September 13, 2005 Quote But only if resources can sustain our population for the thousand (?) years necessary to see it happen. Will there be enough beer? That's an important consideration IMO.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #61 September 13, 2005 Quote If we evolve to a dumber species, then we lose the ability to support ourselves, An even more important consideration, IMO, is - will we remember how to make beer?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #62 September 13, 2005 QuoteQuote If we evolve to a dumber species, then we lose the ability to support ourselves, An even more important consideration, IMO, is - will we remember how to make beer? Sure, but good beer takes a lot of good craftsmanship. Our offspring will be cursed with living in a world of crappy beer...illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #63 September 13, 2005 QuoteQuote If we evolve to a dumber species, then we lose the ability to support ourselves, An even more important consideration, IMO, is - will we remember how to make beer? Man has been able to ferment for thousands of years, dating back at least to mead from honey. So we should still be able to get girls drunk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #64 September 13, 2005 Quote Man has been able to ferment for thousands of years,... Whew! Thank God! Quote So we should still be able to get girls drunk... I'm married, thus the interest in getting me drunk We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #65 September 13, 2005 QuoteYes Scooby....you sure ARE missing something !!! The original manuscripts were written in Hebrew, and Greek, by more than 40 different writers over a 1500 year period. God directed those original writings to come together under the auspices of King james in 1607, and four years later, the first printing of those writings as the WORD of God was printed. It amazes me, that even those who comment on the works of the men God appointed to write His WORD, cannot understand that God is so omnipotent, that He could do this. The GOD of all time, who owns ALL time, and created everything mankind has ever seen, including the galaxies, the sun, the moon, surely wouldn't find directing His chosen servants to write as He wanted, and then follow through with bringing those writings from various places, to come together at a certain location at a certain time. That may prove a difficult job for man, but with God , ALL things are possible. For those who think God couldnt do that....they really don't know God. Bill Cole . Bill, pls let me repeat my previous question of last week: How on earth do you intend to convince others about your personal conclusions made over the years with & in your King James bible? What you showed me was impressing, I have to admit. But, that is and was your, and only your! personal interpretation. How, f. e., would an alien like me (from Germany) be able to learn about the real Gods' word (in your opinion) only to be found in King James bible? I do not have such a bible. Furthermore, ours are printed in German. So, I never would have the chance to enter paradise as I am a non-believer due to the WRONG bible? The WRONG language??? Just as a side-note: You surely remember the turn of the year 2000: Do you know, how many folks "knowing" predicted, the end of the world will come?? They KNEW, oh yeah! But we still are existing. Same will happen with your predicted premature end of GWB's turn and the US. No one has any other proof. This is my belief. Since a while and for the time being. Christel dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #66 September 13, 2005 Well there is no doubt that getting women drunk has played a huge role in the proliferation of the human species... so it would make sense that the ability to make alcohol would be one of the traits that would survive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #67 September 13, 2005 I have seen neither angels nor electrons but I know a few monks who claim the angels visit them regularly. I also read about great physicists who discovered elementary particles. Sometimes I get confused whom should I believe and whom should I not. Not seeing is frequently translated into not believing. Could it just be a problem with detection system? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #68 September 13, 2005 QuoteI have seen neither angels nor electrons but I know a few monks who claim the angels visit them regularly. I also read about great physicists who discovered elementary particles. Sometimes I get confused whom should I believe and whom should I not. Not seeing is frequently translated into not believing. Could it just be a problem with detection system? That's the difference between angels, electrons, and atoms. We can see atoms. We know subatomic particles exist because they have an observable, reproducible effect. Given the right equipment, any person can see the physical evidence. That's science. There is no tunneling microsope that will allow one to see divinity however. And that's where faith comes in.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #69 September 13, 2005 >I have seen neither angels nor electrons . . . . Ah, but I can see the trails electrons leave, and I can make them do my bidding. You're using electrons right now to send your words throughout the world. I could show you how to remove the excess electrons from your computer's power supply, and you would then have direct evidence that electrons actually _do_ something. That's the basic difference between faith and science. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #70 September 13, 2005 QuoteHow, f. e., would an alien like me (from Germany) be able to learn about the real Gods' word (in your opinion) only to be found in King James bible? I do not have such a bible. Furthermore, ours are printed in German. So, I never would have the chance to enter paradise as I am a non-believer due to the WRONG bible? The WRONG language??? I'm pretty sure that's not what he's saying at all. Bill believes (correct me if I'm wrong Bill) that the KJV is the most accurate translation from the original manuscripts (by Godly design). All others contain errors and, according to him, deviate from the completeness or "fullness" that it should contain. That doesn't mean that other translations are completely innacurate. It only means that the KJV is the most accurate. It also has nothing to do with one's relationship with Christ or one's salvation. Someone's heart may also be changed from reading a translation other than the KJV. **Again, I'm just saying what I think he means. ** Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #71 September 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteHow, f. e., would an alien like me (from Germany) be able to learn about the real Gods' word (in your opinion) only to be found in King James bible? I do not have such a bible. Furthermore, ours are printed in German. So, I never would have the chance to enter paradise as I am a non-believer due to the WRONG bible? The WRONG language??? I'm pretty sure that's not what he's saying at all. Bill believes (correct me if I'm wrong Bill) that the KJV is the most accurate translation from the original manuscripts (by Godly design). All others contain errors and, according to him, deviate from the completeness or "fullness" that it should contain. That doesn't mean that other translations are completely innacurate. It only means that the KJV is the most accurate. It also has nothing to do with one's relationship with Christ or one's salvation. Someone's heart may also be changed from reading a translation other than the KJV. **Again, I'm just saying what I think he means. ** Sorry. I have to correct you. Bill personally told me about (his) King James bible beeing the one and only true word of God. We were together last week for several days, talked a lot (I asked a lot, to tell the truth, and he explained a lot) and did not come to any conclusion about that. Unfortunately, Bill was not giving me an explanation regarding other bibles, their translations, other languages. etc. So, following his chain of reasoning, only owners of King James (English written) bibles ever will find the truth. Too weird, right? That's reason enough to ask him again. I'm afraid I have to remain in my indifferent opinion about beliefs. There might be "a power somewhere " but, I never saw any proof, just personal investigations and searches. That's not compelling me. Christel dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #72 September 13, 2005 Below is what is required for salvation. Same verse. Three different translations including the King James Version. What’s the difference? Really? Could a person read this in the NASB version and get the same benefit as from the KJV? I think so. Whether the KJV is a more accurate translation or not. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16 (KJV) “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” John 3:16 (NIV) "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” John 3:16 (NASB) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #73 September 13, 2005 Hi there, Just a thought, but, does this mean that everyone one who has never heard of Jesus (i.e everyone B.C, for example) is now in hell? Best Wishes, (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #74 September 13, 2005 Quote>I have seen neither angels nor electrons . . . . Ah, but I can see the trails electrons leave, and I can make them do my bidding. You're using electrons right now to send your words throughout the world. I could show you how to remove the excess electrons from your computer's power supply, and you would then have direct evidence that electrons actually _do_ something. That's the basic difference between faith and science. Thomas saw Jesus beaten, crucified, buried, and standing in front of him days later. He saw him along with hundreds of other people. He not only saw him but put his finger in the holes left by the nails and spear. That's not a reproducible effect as in a scientific experiment but proof positive nonetheless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #75 September 13, 2005 QuoteBelow is what is required for salvation. Same verse. Three different translations including the King James Version. What’s the difference? Really? Could a person read this in the NASB version and get the same benefit as from the KJV? I think so. Whether the KJV is a more accurate translation or not. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16 (KJV) “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” John 3:16 (NIV) "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” John 3:16 (NASB) That is not the point though. Bill has said, in plain words, that KJV is the ONLY true word of God. I am glad you don't think so, but he does.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
