AlexCrowley 0 #76 September 8, 2005 yes SkyDekker, but thats part of the law only. Internet communication is included but I'm not a lawyer and do not have time to research the entire law. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #77 September 8, 2005 Rethink that a bit. Dynamiting the levees have had quite a different effect. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #78 September 8, 2005 QuoteRethink that a bit. Dynamiting the levees have had quite a different effect. How so? True, there was damage due to the storm, but the majority of the crisis seems to have been as the result of the rising waters that flooded the city, and the loss of power and water, then the lack of subsequent response. Or am I missing something? Edited to add: Obviously I am talking only about the crisis in NO, not the overall effect on the Gulf Coast."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #79 September 8, 2005 Quote *IF* she had made a direct threat against the President, she would have been checked out, yes...it's been that way for at least a few decades. As it is - she'd probably be put on a 'watch list'. Let's see, she made no threat, but expressed an opinion ...makes you proud to be an American, don't it?----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #80 September 8, 2005 Quite a bit actually. The damage from the storm, as you stated, did not affect just N.O. but the entire Gulf Coast region. Dynamiting the levees would have induced a large level of flooding throughout the city, 'tis true, but without the mass of additional water carried by Hurricane Katrina adding to it. The damage from rough seas, damage to oil wells in the Gulf of Mexico, and massive wind damage would not have occured had the levees been dynamited. Also, an act of terrorism would have probably evoked a much more proactive response at the Federal level, as countering terrorism is a primary responsibility of the Feds - unlike natural disaster relief, which is primarily the responsibility of the State. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #81 September 8, 2005 >does it strike you as somewhat shameful that you wish harm >on someone every day? Pretty common here. On another thread, several people expressed joy that arabs were being killed by US drones. One poster claimed it made his heart go pitter-pat. Somewhat shameful no matter who harm is wished on (IMO.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #82 September 8, 2005 QuoteOn another thread, several people expressed joy that arabs were being killed by US drones. One poster claimed it made his heart go pitter-pat. Somewhat shameful no matter who harm is wished on (IMO.) Correction: the "Arabs" in question were setting up a mortar with which to attack an American military base, and would likely have inflicted casualties. They were enemy combatants, out to kill U.S. soldiers. These were not just average Arabs walking down the street minding their own business. Shame on you for your mischaracterization. Is is indeed a good thing that this attack was thwarted. My heart goes pitter-pat knowing that American lives were saved, by striking them before they could get us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #83 September 9, 2005 >Correction: the "Arabs" in question were setting up a mortar with >which to attack an American military base, and would likely have > inflicted casualties. I did not say they weren't. I am sure that some view Bush as the agent responsible for killing their families. In both cases, I think it is shameful to wish harm upon others. >My heart goes pitter-pat . . . Rest assured that there is someone else whose heart goes pitter-pat knowing 1895 US soldiers have died in Iraq, and their joy is as sweet (and as morally justified) as yours. But fear not; as long as people take joy in killing, there will be plenty to enjoy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #84 September 9, 2005 QuoteQuote *IF* she had made a direct threat against the President, she would have been checked out, yes...it's been that way for at least a few decades. As it is - she'd probably be put on a 'watch list'. Let's see, she made no threat, but expressed an opinion ...makes you proud to be an American, don't it? Saying that you wish harm on someone every day is only an opinion, and should be ignored, hm? I suppose that the tapes the Columbine shooters made, saying they wanted to kill everyone in the school were only "expressing an opinion", too, hm? Go try stirring shit somewhere else... those laws have been in place for decades.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePhelps 0 #85 September 9, 2005 For all you Bush bashers here's another on. Gotta love it when they stoop to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #86 September 9, 2005 QuoteFor all you Bush bashers here's another on. Gotta love it when they stoop to this Nice Striper he's got there. I'd say about 12-14 lbs. Mmmm. I love Striped Bass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites namgrunt 0 #87 September 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteDo you honestly think our president is a good leader right now Yes yes from georgia59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 4201 0 #88 September 9, 2005 I did not know Bush played guitar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #89 September 9, 2005 QuoteI wonder what the definition of Police State is? So much for Land of the Free.... Coming from afar, I would like you, a non-US resident, to tell me, a US resident, born-bred citizen, how I do not have any freedom. Where is my freedom of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness hindered? Where is my freedom of choice hindered in matters of the everyday life of an individual pursuing his/her interests. I'll weigh your criticizm objectively, and not allow the fact that Canada has only had a bill of rights for about 15 or 20 years, affect my reception of your expert knowledge in any way. Just so you know, drugs and "yelling fire" don't count and there is no need for either of us to justify one versus the other to each other.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #90 September 9, 2005 Why don't drugs count?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #91 September 9, 2005 QuoteWhy don't drugs count? Because, in my opinion (an extremely well educated one at that on this topic), the current list of illegal drugs in this country would continue to do as much harm, or more, if they were made illegal. My stance on this is not based solely on moral grounds, but also on understanding the financial, mental, physical, emotional and spiritual harm these substances ultimately cause. And, also because their legal status has been established over a period of decades, and is a part of the culture of this country (regardless of whether you agree with it of not). Just so you know, I also believe alcohol has the same affects as these other substances (if abused), but these affects can be less dynamic in nature and the timeline is typically longer, allowing for some measure of correction. That cannot be said for most illicit drugs. In the current environment of our society, someone exercising what they feel is their "right to smoke, snort, shoot, drop, pop, etc." does have a direct affect, with a far more dynamic and potentially more dangerous nature than one's "right to drink". Given that, I didn't want to whole tangent to come up right now, because I'm very interested in hearing someone elses perspective on "freedom", coming from a country with far less than ours.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #92 September 9, 2005 QuoteQuote I'll weigh your criticizm objectively, and not allow the fact that Canada has only had a bill of rights for about 15 or 20 years, affect my reception of your expert knowledge in any way. Canadian Bill of Rights was passed in 1960. Prior to that the Canadian courts held that civil rights were embedded in the constitution which was called the British North America Act of 1867 (since renamed in 1982) by virtue of its preamble, inheriting such rights from England. The English Bill of Rights dates to 1689, and Magna Carta to 1215. Given that the US BoR didn't seem to be very effective in granting rights to black citizens until the 1960s, and 9 US states still have to have Federal approval for changes in voting laws on account of previous abuses, I don't see your criticism as being especially valid.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #93 September 9, 2005 I mistyped and did get two documents confused (The Canada Act of 1982 and the Bill of Rights 1960). You should know, and understand however, that despite six basic points in paragraph one of part one of the Bill, there is still censorship of the press in Canada (example: Fox News unable to broadcast until this year). Meanwhile, since you're so set to grind into my "talking points", why don't you answer my original question to SkyDekker?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #94 September 9, 2005 Why don't you start a hypothetical question about how you could blow up the white house with a nuclear weapon. See how your employer will like the interruption when the Secret Service shows up to ask you some questions. By the way, if Fox News is now able to broadcast, how is that censorship? Thirdly, Land of the Free is not Canada's tag line...it is that of the US. I feel free enough in Canada and Fox News is easily accessible via the Internet, specially since Canada is one of the most "wired" countries in the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #95 September 9, 2005 Who are you to determine how free or not free us americans feel? We are the land of the free and home of the brave. Im proud of my country, Im proud of most everything my president has done and I stand beside what he does because he is our president. We as a nation choose him. You can belittle our country all you want but remember your perceptions are not everyones, just as mine arent. Im an american and I am proud.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #96 September 9, 2005 QuoteWho are you to determine how free or not free us americans feel? I don't determine that. Quotebut remember your perceptions are not everyones, just as mine arent. That is better, we were indeed talking about perceptions. Good for you that you are proud to be American and stand by your president. My perception is your president isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #97 September 9, 2005 ***Just so you know, I also believe alcohol has the same affects as these other substances (if abused), but these affects can be less dynamic in nature and the timeline is typically longer, allowing for some measure of correction. That cannot be said for most illicit drugs. You should research your statement. Alcohol abuse has done far greater damage than all of the illegal drugs combined. On a side note, the greatest danger of marijuana use is being arrested. I much rather be around people who just smoke pot than people who drink, even those who drink occasionaly are extremely obnoxious after a few drinks. Pot smokers do not act in the manner of a person who has been drinking. People who drink are prone to being violent, causing property damage, missing work due to hangover. Not to mention medical cost for liver damage and other ailments contributed to alcohol. Solely because one is legal and one is not does not make it better for society. I understand that you feel that alcohol has the same affect has other drugs. Though you point out "if abused". Also a "legal status" does not constitute culture. Marijuana was legal up until, I believe, 1937. Legislation of cannibis was racially based and villified by Harry Anslinger. Not to say that cannibis use is completely without harm, it, however, should not be classified with heroin as it is. All the while a more dangerous drug, cocaine is classified as a schedule 2 drug and has done far greater damage to society. It is mine and a majority of Americans belief that cannibis should be legal for adults who responsiable, same as alcohol is."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #98 September 9, 2005 QuoteBy the way, if Fox News is now able to broadcast, how is that censorship? Thirdly, Land of the Free is not Canada's tag line...it is that of the US. I feel free enough in Canada and Fox News is easily accessible via the Internet, specially since Canada is one of the most "wired" countries in the world. Land of the Free is not just a tag line. It is a way of life and it is something which the US has been an example of to the world. Don't believe me? Ask someone that lives in what used to be East Berlin, or Poland, or the USSR, or Iraq? How is it that we have a continuous influx of people trying to get into this country, both legally and illegally? Is life perfect everywhere? No, and we have failed in some cases. We have our warts. The difference is that we don't hide them. We bare all. Fox News had been censored in Canada for over 10 years, how many other organizations are still not allowed to exercise "freedom of speech" through press or association (politically or otherwise)? Meanwhile, I don't care how "wired" you are up there, the Internet starts and ends in the US, and Canada's phone system numbering plan is managed in the US too (along with 18 other countries). In fact, your big phone company isn't called "Bell Canada" by accident. As for your first suggestion, as a Soldier in the US Army, one who swore an oath to protect and defend this country, the President (regardless of who it is) is my Commander-in-Chief. That may not mean anything to you, but it means a great deal to me.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #99 September 9, 2005 Quote Fox News had been censored in Canada for over 10 years, how many other organizations are still not allowed to exercise "freedom of speech" through press or association (politically or otherwise)? Meanwhile, I don't care how "wired" you are up there, the Internet starts and ends in the US, and Canada's phone system numbering plan is managed in the US too (along with 18 other countries). In fact, your big phone company isn't called "Bell Canada" by accident. I can't broadcast in the USA - so is that censorship? One needs a license from the Feds to operate broadcast media, and I don't have one. Tough luck on Fox in Canada. And then there's that Scottish guy Bell, who gave his name to the phone company.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #100 September 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteJust so you know, I also believe alcohol has the same affects as these other substances (if abused), but these affects can be less dynamic in nature and the timeline is typically longer, allowing for some measure of correction. That cannot be said for most illicit drugs. You should research your statement. Alcohol abuse has done far greater damage than all of the illegal drugs combined. That's only because we've been crushing grapes for a far longer time than crushing leaves or processing poppies. As I said, I also believe that alcohol can cause the same effects. QuoteOn a side note, the greatest danger of marijuana use is being arrested. I much rather be around people who just smoke pot than people who drink, even those who drink occasionaly are extremely obnoxious after a few drinks. Pot smokers do not act in the manner of a person who has been drinking. People who drink are prone to being violent, causing property damage, missing work due to hangover. I'll disagree on these universally accepted points on just the short-term effects: bad short-term memory and lowered learning capabilities; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; poor performance and loss of coordination and risk of injury; inability to drive safely or do complex tasks for up to 24 hours after use; distorted senses of sight, hearing, touch, time and depth; reduced athletic ability; elevated heart rate. Strong doses prompt more intense effects of the above, then throw in paranoia and hallucinations. QuoteNot to mention medical cost for liver damage and other ailments contributed to alcohol. Solely because one is legal and one is not does not make it better for society. I understand that you feel that alcohol has the same affect has other drugs. Though you point out "if abused". Also a "legal status" does not constitute culture. Again here, we disagree. Legal status does constitue culture, go to Amsterdam and tell me otherwise. Long term ailments from marijuana are equally dire. Lung cancer is the most deadly form of cancer, overall chance of survival is about 15% and kills over 150,000 in the US per year. Pot smoke is far worse than cigarette smoke, is smoked almost always unfiltered, people hold "hits" for longer periods of time. Long term, brain chemistry changes, and permanent damage to neurotransmitters is caused (creating that "slow, burnt out effect). It also affects hormonal balances (reducing sperm production in males and disrupting menstrual cycles in women). Quote... It is mine and a majority of Americans belief that cannibis should be legal for adults who responsiable, same as alcohol is. I've seen no such survey, but that doesn't matter. It is my belief that cannibis should remain illegal. I look at it this way too: If the politicians won't do it for tax revenue, then obviously something's really f**ked up about it beyond even what I know. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 4 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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Gravitymaster 0 #86 September 9, 2005 QuoteFor all you Bush bashers here's another on. Gotta love it when they stoop to this Nice Striper he's got there. I'd say about 12-14 lbs. Mmmm. I love Striped Bass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
namgrunt 0 #87 September 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteDo you honestly think our president is a good leader right now Yes yes from georgia59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4201 0 #88 September 9, 2005 I did not know Bush played guitar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #89 September 9, 2005 QuoteI wonder what the definition of Police State is? So much for Land of the Free.... Coming from afar, I would like you, a non-US resident, to tell me, a US resident, born-bred citizen, how I do not have any freedom. Where is my freedom of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness hindered? Where is my freedom of choice hindered in matters of the everyday life of an individual pursuing his/her interests. I'll weigh your criticizm objectively, and not allow the fact that Canada has only had a bill of rights for about 15 or 20 years, affect my reception of your expert knowledge in any way. Just so you know, drugs and "yelling fire" don't count and there is no need for either of us to justify one versus the other to each other.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #90 September 9, 2005 Why don't drugs count?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #91 September 9, 2005 QuoteWhy don't drugs count? Because, in my opinion (an extremely well educated one at that on this topic), the current list of illegal drugs in this country would continue to do as much harm, or more, if they were made illegal. My stance on this is not based solely on moral grounds, but also on understanding the financial, mental, physical, emotional and spiritual harm these substances ultimately cause. And, also because their legal status has been established over a period of decades, and is a part of the culture of this country (regardless of whether you agree with it of not). Just so you know, I also believe alcohol has the same affects as these other substances (if abused), but these affects can be less dynamic in nature and the timeline is typically longer, allowing for some measure of correction. That cannot be said for most illicit drugs. In the current environment of our society, someone exercising what they feel is their "right to smoke, snort, shoot, drop, pop, etc." does have a direct affect, with a far more dynamic and potentially more dangerous nature than one's "right to drink". Given that, I didn't want to whole tangent to come up right now, because I'm very interested in hearing someone elses perspective on "freedom", coming from a country with far less than ours.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #92 September 9, 2005 QuoteQuote I'll weigh your criticizm objectively, and not allow the fact that Canada has only had a bill of rights for about 15 or 20 years, affect my reception of your expert knowledge in any way. Canadian Bill of Rights was passed in 1960. Prior to that the Canadian courts held that civil rights were embedded in the constitution which was called the British North America Act of 1867 (since renamed in 1982) by virtue of its preamble, inheriting such rights from England. The English Bill of Rights dates to 1689, and Magna Carta to 1215. Given that the US BoR didn't seem to be very effective in granting rights to black citizens until the 1960s, and 9 US states still have to have Federal approval for changes in voting laws on account of previous abuses, I don't see your criticism as being especially valid.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #93 September 9, 2005 I mistyped and did get two documents confused (The Canada Act of 1982 and the Bill of Rights 1960). You should know, and understand however, that despite six basic points in paragraph one of part one of the Bill, there is still censorship of the press in Canada (example: Fox News unable to broadcast until this year). Meanwhile, since you're so set to grind into my "talking points", why don't you answer my original question to SkyDekker?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #94 September 9, 2005 Why don't you start a hypothetical question about how you could blow up the white house with a nuclear weapon. See how your employer will like the interruption when the Secret Service shows up to ask you some questions. By the way, if Fox News is now able to broadcast, how is that censorship? Thirdly, Land of the Free is not Canada's tag line...it is that of the US. I feel free enough in Canada and Fox News is easily accessible via the Internet, specially since Canada is one of the most "wired" countries in the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #95 September 9, 2005 Who are you to determine how free or not free us americans feel? We are the land of the free and home of the brave. Im proud of my country, Im proud of most everything my president has done and I stand beside what he does because he is our president. We as a nation choose him. You can belittle our country all you want but remember your perceptions are not everyones, just as mine arent. Im an american and I am proud.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #96 September 9, 2005 QuoteWho are you to determine how free or not free us americans feel? I don't determine that. Quotebut remember your perceptions are not everyones, just as mine arent. That is better, we were indeed talking about perceptions. Good for you that you are proud to be American and stand by your president. My perception is your president isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #97 September 9, 2005 ***Just so you know, I also believe alcohol has the same affects as these other substances (if abused), but these affects can be less dynamic in nature and the timeline is typically longer, allowing for some measure of correction. That cannot be said for most illicit drugs. You should research your statement. Alcohol abuse has done far greater damage than all of the illegal drugs combined. On a side note, the greatest danger of marijuana use is being arrested. I much rather be around people who just smoke pot than people who drink, even those who drink occasionaly are extremely obnoxious after a few drinks. Pot smokers do not act in the manner of a person who has been drinking. People who drink are prone to being violent, causing property damage, missing work due to hangover. Not to mention medical cost for liver damage and other ailments contributed to alcohol. Solely because one is legal and one is not does not make it better for society. I understand that you feel that alcohol has the same affect has other drugs. Though you point out "if abused". Also a "legal status" does not constitute culture. Marijuana was legal up until, I believe, 1937. Legislation of cannibis was racially based and villified by Harry Anslinger. Not to say that cannibis use is completely without harm, it, however, should not be classified with heroin as it is. All the while a more dangerous drug, cocaine is classified as a schedule 2 drug and has done far greater damage to society. It is mine and a majority of Americans belief that cannibis should be legal for adults who responsiable, same as alcohol is."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #98 September 9, 2005 QuoteBy the way, if Fox News is now able to broadcast, how is that censorship? Thirdly, Land of the Free is not Canada's tag line...it is that of the US. I feel free enough in Canada and Fox News is easily accessible via the Internet, specially since Canada is one of the most "wired" countries in the world. Land of the Free is not just a tag line. It is a way of life and it is something which the US has been an example of to the world. Don't believe me? Ask someone that lives in what used to be East Berlin, or Poland, or the USSR, or Iraq? How is it that we have a continuous influx of people trying to get into this country, both legally and illegally? Is life perfect everywhere? No, and we have failed in some cases. We have our warts. The difference is that we don't hide them. We bare all. Fox News had been censored in Canada for over 10 years, how many other organizations are still not allowed to exercise "freedom of speech" through press or association (politically or otherwise)? Meanwhile, I don't care how "wired" you are up there, the Internet starts and ends in the US, and Canada's phone system numbering plan is managed in the US too (along with 18 other countries). In fact, your big phone company isn't called "Bell Canada" by accident. As for your first suggestion, as a Soldier in the US Army, one who swore an oath to protect and defend this country, the President (regardless of who it is) is my Commander-in-Chief. That may not mean anything to you, but it means a great deal to me.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #99 September 9, 2005 Quote Fox News had been censored in Canada for over 10 years, how many other organizations are still not allowed to exercise "freedom of speech" through press or association (politically or otherwise)? Meanwhile, I don't care how "wired" you are up there, the Internet starts and ends in the US, and Canada's phone system numbering plan is managed in the US too (along with 18 other countries). In fact, your big phone company isn't called "Bell Canada" by accident. I can't broadcast in the USA - so is that censorship? One needs a license from the Feds to operate broadcast media, and I don't have one. Tough luck on Fox in Canada. And then there's that Scottish guy Bell, who gave his name to the phone company.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #100 September 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteJust so you know, I also believe alcohol has the same affects as these other substances (if abused), but these affects can be less dynamic in nature and the timeline is typically longer, allowing for some measure of correction. That cannot be said for most illicit drugs. You should research your statement. Alcohol abuse has done far greater damage than all of the illegal drugs combined. That's only because we've been crushing grapes for a far longer time than crushing leaves or processing poppies. As I said, I also believe that alcohol can cause the same effects. QuoteOn a side note, the greatest danger of marijuana use is being arrested. I much rather be around people who just smoke pot than people who drink, even those who drink occasionaly are extremely obnoxious after a few drinks. Pot smokers do not act in the manner of a person who has been drinking. People who drink are prone to being violent, causing property damage, missing work due to hangover. I'll disagree on these universally accepted points on just the short-term effects: bad short-term memory and lowered learning capabilities; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; poor performance and loss of coordination and risk of injury; inability to drive safely or do complex tasks for up to 24 hours after use; distorted senses of sight, hearing, touch, time and depth; reduced athletic ability; elevated heart rate. Strong doses prompt more intense effects of the above, then throw in paranoia and hallucinations. QuoteNot to mention medical cost for liver damage and other ailments contributed to alcohol. Solely because one is legal and one is not does not make it better for society. I understand that you feel that alcohol has the same affect has other drugs. Though you point out "if abused". Also a "legal status" does not constitute culture. Again here, we disagree. Legal status does constitue culture, go to Amsterdam and tell me otherwise. Long term ailments from marijuana are equally dire. Lung cancer is the most deadly form of cancer, overall chance of survival is about 15% and kills over 150,000 in the US per year. Pot smoke is far worse than cigarette smoke, is smoked almost always unfiltered, people hold "hits" for longer periods of time. Long term, brain chemistry changes, and permanent damage to neurotransmitters is caused (creating that "slow, burnt out effect). It also affects hormonal balances (reducing sperm production in males and disrupting menstrual cycles in women). Quote... It is mine and a majority of Americans belief that cannibis should be legal for adults who responsiable, same as alcohol is. I've seen no such survey, but that doesn't matter. It is my belief that cannibis should remain illegal. I look at it this way too: If the politicians won't do it for tax revenue, then obviously something's really f**ked up about it beyond even what I know. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 4 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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Gawain 0 #93 September 9, 2005 I mistyped and did get two documents confused (The Canada Act of 1982 and the Bill of Rights 1960). You should know, and understand however, that despite six basic points in paragraph one of part one of the Bill, there is still censorship of the press in Canada (example: Fox News unable to broadcast until this year). Meanwhile, since you're so set to grind into my "talking points", why don't you answer my original question to SkyDekker?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #94 September 9, 2005 Why don't you start a hypothetical question about how you could blow up the white house with a nuclear weapon. See how your employer will like the interruption when the Secret Service shows up to ask you some questions. By the way, if Fox News is now able to broadcast, how is that censorship? Thirdly, Land of the Free is not Canada's tag line...it is that of the US. I feel free enough in Canada and Fox News is easily accessible via the Internet, specially since Canada is one of the most "wired" countries in the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #95 September 9, 2005 Who are you to determine how free or not free us americans feel? We are the land of the free and home of the brave. Im proud of my country, Im proud of most everything my president has done and I stand beside what he does because he is our president. We as a nation choose him. You can belittle our country all you want but remember your perceptions are not everyones, just as mine arent. Im an american and I am proud.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #96 September 9, 2005 QuoteWho are you to determine how free or not free us americans feel? I don't determine that. Quotebut remember your perceptions are not everyones, just as mine arent. That is better, we were indeed talking about perceptions. Good for you that you are proud to be American and stand by your president. My perception is your president isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #97 September 9, 2005 ***Just so you know, I also believe alcohol has the same affects as these other substances (if abused), but these affects can be less dynamic in nature and the timeline is typically longer, allowing for some measure of correction. That cannot be said for most illicit drugs. You should research your statement. Alcohol abuse has done far greater damage than all of the illegal drugs combined. On a side note, the greatest danger of marijuana use is being arrested. I much rather be around people who just smoke pot than people who drink, even those who drink occasionaly are extremely obnoxious after a few drinks. Pot smokers do not act in the manner of a person who has been drinking. People who drink are prone to being violent, causing property damage, missing work due to hangover. Not to mention medical cost for liver damage and other ailments contributed to alcohol. Solely because one is legal and one is not does not make it better for society. I understand that you feel that alcohol has the same affect has other drugs. Though you point out "if abused". Also a "legal status" does not constitute culture. Marijuana was legal up until, I believe, 1937. Legislation of cannibis was racially based and villified by Harry Anslinger. Not to say that cannibis use is completely without harm, it, however, should not be classified with heroin as it is. All the while a more dangerous drug, cocaine is classified as a schedule 2 drug and has done far greater damage to society. It is mine and a majority of Americans belief that cannibis should be legal for adults who responsiable, same as alcohol is."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #98 September 9, 2005 QuoteBy the way, if Fox News is now able to broadcast, how is that censorship? Thirdly, Land of the Free is not Canada's tag line...it is that of the US. I feel free enough in Canada and Fox News is easily accessible via the Internet, specially since Canada is one of the most "wired" countries in the world. Land of the Free is not just a tag line. It is a way of life and it is something which the US has been an example of to the world. Don't believe me? Ask someone that lives in what used to be East Berlin, or Poland, or the USSR, or Iraq? How is it that we have a continuous influx of people trying to get into this country, both legally and illegally? Is life perfect everywhere? No, and we have failed in some cases. We have our warts. The difference is that we don't hide them. We bare all. Fox News had been censored in Canada for over 10 years, how many other organizations are still not allowed to exercise "freedom of speech" through press or association (politically or otherwise)? Meanwhile, I don't care how "wired" you are up there, the Internet starts and ends in the US, and Canada's phone system numbering plan is managed in the US too (along with 18 other countries). In fact, your big phone company isn't called "Bell Canada" by accident. As for your first suggestion, as a Soldier in the US Army, one who swore an oath to protect and defend this country, the President (regardless of who it is) is my Commander-in-Chief. That may not mean anything to you, but it means a great deal to me.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #99 September 9, 2005 Quote Fox News had been censored in Canada for over 10 years, how many other organizations are still not allowed to exercise "freedom of speech" through press or association (politically or otherwise)? Meanwhile, I don't care how "wired" you are up there, the Internet starts and ends in the US, and Canada's phone system numbering plan is managed in the US too (along with 18 other countries). In fact, your big phone company isn't called "Bell Canada" by accident. I can't broadcast in the USA - so is that censorship? One needs a license from the Feds to operate broadcast media, and I don't have one. Tough luck on Fox in Canada. And then there's that Scottish guy Bell, who gave his name to the phone company.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #100 September 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteJust so you know, I also believe alcohol has the same affects as these other substances (if abused), but these affects can be less dynamic in nature and the timeline is typically longer, allowing for some measure of correction. That cannot be said for most illicit drugs. You should research your statement. Alcohol abuse has done far greater damage than all of the illegal drugs combined. That's only because we've been crushing grapes for a far longer time than crushing leaves or processing poppies. As I said, I also believe that alcohol can cause the same effects. QuoteOn a side note, the greatest danger of marijuana use is being arrested. I much rather be around people who just smoke pot than people who drink, even those who drink occasionaly are extremely obnoxious after a few drinks. Pot smokers do not act in the manner of a person who has been drinking. People who drink are prone to being violent, causing property damage, missing work due to hangover. I'll disagree on these universally accepted points on just the short-term effects: bad short-term memory and lowered learning capabilities; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; poor performance and loss of coordination and risk of injury; inability to drive safely or do complex tasks for up to 24 hours after use; distorted senses of sight, hearing, touch, time and depth; reduced athletic ability; elevated heart rate. Strong doses prompt more intense effects of the above, then throw in paranoia and hallucinations. QuoteNot to mention medical cost for liver damage and other ailments contributed to alcohol. Solely because one is legal and one is not does not make it better for society. I understand that you feel that alcohol has the same affect has other drugs. Though you point out "if abused". Also a "legal status" does not constitute culture. Again here, we disagree. Legal status does constitue culture, go to Amsterdam and tell me otherwise. Long term ailments from marijuana are equally dire. Lung cancer is the most deadly form of cancer, overall chance of survival is about 15% and kills over 150,000 in the US per year. Pot smoke is far worse than cigarette smoke, is smoked almost always unfiltered, people hold "hits" for longer periods of time. Long term, brain chemistry changes, and permanent damage to neurotransmitters is caused (creating that "slow, burnt out effect). It also affects hormonal balances (reducing sperm production in males and disrupting menstrual cycles in women). Quote... It is mine and a majority of Americans belief that cannibis should be legal for adults who responsiable, same as alcohol is. I've seen no such survey, but that doesn't matter. It is my belief that cannibis should remain illegal. I look at it this way too: If the politicians won't do it for tax revenue, then obviously something's really f**ked up about it beyond even what I know. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
