SkyDekker 1,465 #26 September 8, 2005 QuoteHow did they fuck up? Have you not read what it means to be a state of emergency? Just because the govt issued it does not mean they go in there and get people out. The city was supposed to go by their OWN evac plan. They didnt. I can see that, so eitehr the plan was faulty, or they fucked up implementing it prior to the hurricane hitting...fine.. It is clear though that the state asked for federal help because they already knew they did not have the resources to deal with the aftermath...they asked for that help prior to the hurricane hitting. I think it is pretty clear that FEMA or any other federal organization was in no way ready or did they react quickly..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #27 September 8, 2005 Gov. Blanco Refused .... Let me say that again so you understand... REFUSED to listen to the advice of the President when he told her she should order a Mandatory Evacuation on Saturday. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #28 September 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteWhat request? What evidence do you have? The letter sent by governor Blanco to the president through the Regional FEMA office as per the Stafford Act. I mean, you are so vocal about them not asking for assistance that I am assuming you actually checked this wasn't done right?!?!? try google.... Quoteunday, Sept. 4, 2005 12:47 p.m. EDT Gov. Kathleen Blanco Refused Bush Aid Though her state has been devastated by Hurricane Katrina and thousands are believed dead in New Orleans, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco has refused to allow the federal government to take control of evacuation efforts. "Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans," the Washington Post reported in Sunday editions. Gov. Blanco's office rejected the request, the paper said - concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law. The Louisiana Democrat had also failed to use more than a hundred school buses parked near the Superdome to transport stranded citizens who didn't have the means to obey earlier evacuation orders. After the 17th Street Levee broke on Tuesday, the buses were rendered usless by rising flood waters. State and federal officials also told the Post that Gov. Blanco did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday - more than 24 hours after New Orleans descended into chaos. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #29 September 8, 2005 She refused for the federal government to take control, she did not refuse their help. read beyond the sensationalizing headline... At that time the State of Emergency had already been issued and FEMA and other federal organizations should have been in full operation....even if the federal government did not have overal control of the evacuation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #30 September 8, 2005 QuoteShe refused for the federal government to take control, she did not refuse their help. read beyond the sensationalizing headline... At that time the State of Emergency had already been issued and FEMA and other federal organizations should have been in full operation....even if the federal government did not have overal control of the evacuation. QuoteMonday, Sept. 5, 2005 11:38 p.m. EDT Mayor Nagin: Gov. Blanco Delayed Rescue After days of blaming the federal officials for not responding quickly enough to the Hurricane Katrina crisis, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin praised President Bush on Monday - and charged that Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco had delayed federal rescue efforts by 24 hours. "I'm so happy that the president came down here," Nagin said of Bush's Friday visit to Louisiana in an interview with CNN. "He came down and saw it, and he put a general on the field. His name is General Honore. And when he hit the field, we started to see action." But Nagin had harsh words for his state's leaders, telling CNN: "What the state was doing, I don't frigging know. But I tell you, I am pissed. It wasn't adequate." The New Orleans Democrat said he urged Bush to meet privately with Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco during the visit. The meeting took place aboard Air Force One, he said. After reviewing the crisis with Gov. Blanco, Bush summoned Nagin for a private chat - where, according to Nagin, Bush explained: "Mr. Mayor, I offered two options to the governor. I said . . . I was ready to move today. The governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision." Reacting to the governor's footdragging, Nagin lamented: "It would have been great if we could have left Air Force One, walked outside, and told the world that we had this all worked out." "It didn't happen, and more people died." ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #31 September 8, 2005 Instead of everyone on here telling you and proving to you that you are wearing rose colored glasses.... what is it you expected the govt to do? Did you expect that the president would go door to door? I know ive asked this already and you have answered , however you see what you see, and regardless of proof being shown to you, you fight it. So what is it, in your world, that you see could have made it better?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #32 September 8, 2005 well documented... The Pres gave the Gov the go ahead... Unfortunately the Pres can't do anything without the Govenors permission. She said... give me 24hrs to decide. 24hrs....? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #33 September 8, 2005 A news snippet of the mayor (whose actions are pretty suspect to begin with) is all you have. I believe Hearsay is also not permitted in a court of law.... Show me where Blanco did not ask for federal help on August 27th. Show me where the president did not declare a state of emergency on August 27th. Show me how that did not authorize FEMA to act.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #34 September 8, 2005 You can lead a horse to water..... but you cant make him drinkSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #35 September 8, 2005 QuoteInstead of everyone on here telling you and proving to you that you are wearing rose colored glasses.... what is it you expected the govt to do? Did you expect that the president would go door to door? I know ive asked this already and you have answered , however you see what you see, and regardless of proof being shown to you, you fight it. So what is it, in your world, that you see could have made it better? Nope, I would not expect him to go door to door. If I were an American I would expect him though to appoint some one to head up FEMA with experience in Emergency Management in stead of experience in dealing with Arab horse shows. I would expect him to ensure FEMA could act quickly to the largest natural disaster in your history. Would ensure that all is being done on a federal level for the citizens of his country, since the State had already admitted they could not deal with it prior to the hurricane even hitting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #36 September 8, 2005 Maybe not but the fact that it was reported by: The LA Times Boston Globe NY Times CNN And Fox Probably means there is some truth to it. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #37 September 8, 2005 QuoteShe said... give me 24hrs to decide. You are basing this "fact" on second hand information from a supposed conversation as relayed by the mayor who you are also critizing for being incompetent in his job.... You are right, that is very well documented.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #38 September 8, 2005 And what are you basing your facts on... Canadian Liberal Media? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #39 September 8, 2005 QuoteMaybe not but the fact that it was reported by: The LA Times Boston Globe NY Times CNN And Fox Probably means there is some truth to it. yeah they all reported the mayor saying that.....just because the mayor said that doesn't make it true. Even if all media reported that the mayor said that. I am not disputing with you that the mayor said what he did....just not agreeing with you that what the mayor was saying is the truth and 100% factual..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #40 September 8, 2005 QuoteAnd what are you basing your facts on... Canadian Liberal Media? nope, the white house website: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050827-1.html Edited to add: Interestingly enough the disaster declaration for the Sept 11 terrorist attack in New York was not issued until Sept 18, but back dated and made effective back to Sept 11, 2001. Same wording in the declaration.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #41 September 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteLets's hope a large meteorite never strikes a state capital then. We would wait for ever for the request for help to come. If a large meteorite struck congress, would anyone ask for help? Or would we all just quietly pretend all is well and hope they forget to restaff congress for a while. . I suspect there would be a lot of cheering and clapping.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
