Slappie 9 #1 September 7, 2005 http://media.putfile.com/OlbermannSwings Enjoy you right wing fanatics! "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #2 September 7, 2005 Quotehttp://media.putfile.com/OlbermannSwings Enjoy you right wing fanatics! Yup, once again, it's *ALL* the fed gov'ts fault.. Bush is such a POS, he caused the whole thing! Bush is not my favorite president, not by a long shot, but I once again fail to see how they can mostly point the finger at him... FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #3 September 7, 2005 I'm not, I just figured I'd fuel the fire a bit. This tradgedy has nothing to do with Bush. I am only assuming the right wingers are pointing the fingers at Bush because it's an oportune time. When they should be pointing their collective finger at the agencies responsible for the emergency.. Homeland Security & FEMA. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #4 September 7, 2005 QuoteI'm not, I just figured I'd fuel the fire a bit. This tradgedy has nothing to do with Bush. I am only assuming the right wingers are pointing the fingers at Bush because it's an oportune time. When they should be pointing their collective finger at the agencies responsible for the emergency.. Homeland Security & FEMA. and the city govt and the state govt.. They all have room for blame here FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #5 September 7, 2005 Quote This tradgedy has nothing to do with Bush. I am only assuming the right wingers are pointing the fingers at Bush because it's an oportune time. When they should be pointing their collective finger at the agencies responsible for the emergency.. Homeland Security & FEMA. IMO, no matter who the President is, they are responsible for the actions of their appointees. That responsibility comes with the power to appoint. DHS is a part of the Executive Branch, and as such, the President is responsible for their (lack of) actions. This has nothing to do with who is President. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #6 September 7, 2005 QuoteQuote This tradgedy has nothing to do with Bush. I am only assuming the right wingers are pointing the fingers at Bush because it's an oportune time. When they should be pointing their collective finger at the agencies responsible for the emergency.. Homeland Security & FEMA. IMO, no matter who the President is, they are responsible for the actions of their appointees. That responsibility comes with the power to appoint. DHS is a part of the Executive Branch, and as such, the President is responsible for their (lack of) actions. This has nothing to do with who is President. And I agree with this.. The president is "ultimately responsible" for what happens on the federal level .... Just like in my Navy the captian of a ship is ultimately responsible for the screw ups that everyone makes... It just seems that people like to ignore the fact that the city and state also screwed up big time, and the president / federal gov't is NOT responsible for that. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #7 September 7, 2005 I think most of the blame in this case resides with the City of New Orleans and Louisiana State Gov. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #8 September 7, 2005 QuoteI think most of the blame in this case resides with the City of New Orleans and Louisiana State Gov. Prior to the aftermath, yes. Had they taken the correct actions, the federal gov't wouldnt of had so much to screw up. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #9 September 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think most of the blame in this case resides with the City of New Orleans and Louisiana State Gov. Prior to the aftermath, yes. Had they taken the correct actions, the federal gov't wouldnt of had so much to screw up. Had they followed Mississippi's lead and declared NO and the surrounding parishes Disaster Areas before the storm hit.. We wouldn't be having this comversation. But, then you have to go back about 40 years and wonder why the money the Army Copr of Engineers has been requesting to rebuild and reinforce the levee's went. Hmmmmmmmmm La. was making WAYYY to much money of gambling to worry about the levee's in NO. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #10 September 7, 2005 I asked the question awhile ago in a different post, never got an answer.. But on the Army core of engeneers website it says that they were called upon to design / build systems to prevent flooding.. It then stated that most of these were turned over to the local gov'ts to run and maintain... Never was my question answered if this was the case with those levees? Were they turned over to the state to run? FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #11 September 7, 2005 Exactly what I was going to say. NO and LA officials are very corrupt and now it is showing. They are pointing fingers in every direction but themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #12 September 7, 2005 Here is a link to my above mentioned post with quotes and everything. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1813119#1813119 FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #13 September 7, 2005 Quote It just seems that people like to ignore the fact that the city and state also screwed up big time Who has said anything like that? Could you link the post, please? I can't find a single one. No one said the local and state officials are without responsibility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #14 September 7, 2005 QuoteQuote It just seems that people like to ignore the fact that the city and state also screwed up big time Who has said anything like that? Could you link the post, please? I can't find a single one. No one said the local and state officials are without responsibility. No, but they conveniently leave that part out to point the whole finger at the Fed gov't. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #15 September 7, 2005 QuoteHad they followed Mississippi's lead and declared NO and the surrounding parishes Disaster Areas before the storm hit.. We wouldn't be having this comversation. The problem with that logic is that Mississippi residents had to wait far to long for assistance as well. The only way we would not be having this conversation is if none of the three levels of government screwed up, instead of all three. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #16 September 7, 2005 QuoteNo, but they conveniently leave that part out to point the whole finger at the Fed gov't. That is because ultimately, those were/are Americans in need of help, and so the federal government rightfully should accept most of the reponsibility for the failings in the aftermath. The state and local governments were unable to operate at full efficiency immediately following such a huge storm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #17 September 7, 2005 You're wrong with the assumtion he actually has anything to do with how things get done.. he appoints people to oversee those agencies so he doesn't have too.. Granted he's appointed some iliterate assholes.. but still not his fault the agencies couldn't find their asses in the darkw ith flash lights. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #18 September 7, 2005 QuoteYou're wrong with the assumtion he actually has anything to do with how things get done.. he appoints people to oversee those agencies so he doesn't have too.. Granted he's appointed some iliterate assholes.. but still not his fault the agencies couldn't find their asses in the darkw ith flash lights. He appoints them; He is reponsible for their actions. If they were voted in, that would be different, but they are appointed by the President, and remain a part of his branch of government. So if they nscrew up, he is fully responsible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #19 September 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteYou're wrong with the assumtion he actually has anything to do with how things get done.. he appoints people to oversee those agencies so he doesn't have too.. Granted he's appointed some iliterate assholes.. but still not his fault the agencies couldn't find their asses in the darkw ith flash lights. He appoints them; He is reponsible for their actions. If they were voted in, that would be different, but they are appointed by the President, and remain a part of his branch of government. So if they nscrew up, he is fully responsible. I think it would be more accurate to say that he is ultimately responsible. (for the actions on the federal level) FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #20 September 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteNo, but they conveniently leave that part out to point the whole finger at the Fed gov't. That is because ultimately, those were/are Americans in need of help, and so the federal government rightfully should accept most of the reponsibility for the failings in the aftermath. The state and local governments were unable to operate at full efficiency immediately following such a huge storm. And they were in need of help before the storm hit, and before the state and local governments were unable to operate at full efficiency before the storm destroyed them, before it was a federal responsibility. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #21 September 7, 2005 QuoteI think it would be more accurate to say that he is ultimately responsible Not that it changes the meaning of my statement any, but okay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #22 September 7, 2005 Quote And they were in need of help before the storm hit, and before the state and local governments were unable to operate at full efficiency before the storm destroyed them, before it was a federal responsibility. Nate, You do realize that no one is stating otherwise, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #23 September 7, 2005 QuoteQuote And they were in need of help before the storm hit, and before the state and local governments were unable to operate at full efficiency before the storm destroyed them, before it was a federal responsibility. Nate, You do realize that no one is stating otherwise, right? Well, in your last post to me you commented on why people leave the state and local government out.. I stated why they should leave them in. thats all. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
