masterblaster72 0 #1 September 6, 2005 I agree, this is absolutely ridiculous. Surprisingly, Bush is playing into it as well. Use of the Word 'Refugee' Stirs Debate Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #2 September 6, 2005 Well, ya know, if Jesse Jackson says that it's racist, ..... FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #3 September 6, 2005 QuoteI agree, this is absolutely ridiculous. Surprisingly, Bush is playing into it as well. Use of the Word 'Refugee' Stirs Debate Hmm can't speak for the racism but technically they are not refugees. Stepping back to World War 2, the cities evacuated children to safer areas, they were called evacuees. This would seem to fit the current situation, as a refugee is seeking refuge from something whereas the current evacuees are people who were evacuated from the area of a disaster. whats funny is the 'Evacuee does not contain enough dramatic emphasis'. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #4 September 6, 2005 >I agree, this is absolutely ridiculous. They're right! You can't have such bigoted, non-PC terms being applies to these poor people. How about housing-challenged americans? Bed deficit citizens? Unusually ambulatory ex-homeowners? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #5 September 6, 2005 Quote>I agree, this is absolutely ridiculous. They're right! You can't have such bigoted, non-PC terms being applies to these poor people. How about housing-challenged americans? Bed deficit citizens? Unusually ambulatory ex-homeowners? Peregrinating populace?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #6 September 6, 2005 http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/refugee?view=uk refugee noun; a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war persecution, or natural disaster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #7 September 6, 2005 QuoteWell, ya know, if Jesse Jackson says that it's racist, ..... I'm gonna quote my own post to say that I think I found something that Jesse said that actually might show the use of more than 1 brain cell!! QuoteIf evacuees are living thousands of miles away, he said, they can't be in on the jobs and economic opportunities that will arise as their communities are rebuilt. He proposed using military bases in Louisiana, such as the mothballed England Air Force Base in Alexandria. Evacuees could live in dorms and tent cities. I think that's the first damn thing I've heard him say that's worth a shit. (just as long as he doesnt push it to the active military bases, that would be bad for obvious reasons) FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #8 September 6, 2005 JEEEEZ! What's worse than the stupidity of it is that the last thing needed in the midst of this crisis is something else that is meant to divide people. Jesse Jackson should just shut up and do something helpful for a change. Since this weekend, I've spent many hours taking care of sick refugees, evacuees, people who lived in New Orleans. Most of those who landed here are white. Is it derogatory for me to call them refugees? Or is it only derogatory if we're referring to black people? It's important to know if we don't want to make a social faux pas in our attempts to help get these folks back on their feet. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #9 September 6, 2005 He says that its racist to call any American Citizen a Refugee FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #10 September 6, 2005 He says that its racist to call any American Citizen a Refugee Well that's just plain ignorant. One would think that he'd at least have some understanding of the term "racist" if he's gonna use it so aggressively. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #11 September 6, 2005 Quote He says that its racist to call any American Citizen a Refugee Well that's just plain ignorant. One would think that he'd at least have some understanding of the term "racist" if he's gonna use it so aggressively. linz But, we as a population, are generally ignorant; so people buy it... That's all he needs. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dagny 0 #12 September 6, 2005 QuoteHe says that its racist to call any American Citizen a Refugee Considering that this country was founded by refugees and continues to grow with refugees, I think it's racist to discriminate against refugees by calling them second class or not American citizens. The surgeon I'm working with this month is a "refugee" from another country. I'm fairly certain he'd be relatively unhappy to hear that a refugee is not equivalent to a citizen.Take me, I am the drug; take me, I am hallucinogenic. -Salvador Dali Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #13 September 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteHe says that its racist to call any American Citizen a Refugee Considering that this country was founded by refugees and continues to grow with refugees, I think it's racist to discriminate against refugees by calling them second class or not American citizens. The surgeon I'm working with this month is a "refugee" from another country. I'm fairly certain he'd be relatively unhappy to hear that a refugee is not equivalent to a citizen. lol....that's funny. It's Jesse Jackson who thinks that refugees are lesser people.... What a moron. (Is that a personal attack? moderators please help....heh) linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #14 September 7, 2005 >(Is that a personal attack? moderators please help....heh) You're looking for punishment again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #15 September 7, 2005 QuoteThey're right! You can't have such bigoted, non-PC terms being applies to these poor people. How about housing-challenged americans? Bed deficit citizens? Unusually ambulatory ex-homeowners? Haha, I like how you think Bill...sometimes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #16 September 7, 2005 Quotehttp://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/refugee?view=uk refugee noun; a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war persecution, or natural disaster. Ah.. refugee noun; a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war persecution, or natural disaster. These people are still in their own country. The correct term, jokes aside is IDP or internally displaced people. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #17 September 7, 2005 Quote>(Is that a personal attack? moderators please help....heh) You're looking for punishment again? Just don't wanna get banned without a little foreplay . linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #18 September 7, 2005 QuoteI'm fairly certain he'd be relatively unhappy to hear that a refugee is not equivalent to a citizen. Let him be unhappy then: "refugee" = non-citizen. When he was a 'refugee' he was out of his original country. If he's now a citizen, it doesn't change that he 'was' a refugee. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dagny 0 #19 September 7, 2005 Per Merriam Webster: Etymology: French réfugié, past participle of (se) réfugier to take refuge, from Latin refugium : one that flees; especially : a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution The word refugee does not preclude someone from being an American Citizen. The people of New Orleans, in fleeing, to escape danger, or an inept power that didn't fully prepare the city for a hurricane greater than a 3, became refugees...or evacuees...or displaced...or temporarily homeless...or whatever it is you prefer to call them. BUT, it does not make any of those titles racist. Besides, living in a state other than Louisiana is a lot like living in a foreign country. Trust me. Anyone who doesn't know how to make a good roux or properly boil crawfish just ain't right.Take me, I am the drug; take me, I am hallucinogenic. -Salvador Dali Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #20 September 8, 2005 love them 'bugs!! Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #21 September 8, 2005 No issues there, Missy. I was using the other posted definition. Only issue is that some surgeon would get his panties in a ruffle over semantics. I certainly agree that anyone equating refugee status (whatever they are taking refuge from) as a racist term has a chip on their shoulder and they would redefine all sorts of terms to get their twisted point across. I'd love to try some authentic cajun. Edit: I'm sure you could have an American citizen refugee in Canada by either definition. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
