Hooknswoop 19 #126 September 7, 2005 Quotethey were major storm events is all I am saying w/o looting Remind me, was 2004 an election year? There would have been looting if it had been an election year? Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #127 September 7, 2005 QuoteQuotethey were major storm events is all I am saying w/o looting Remind me, was 2004 an election year? There would have been looting if it had been an election year? Derek Possibly, if the politicians had been as slow to act as they were this time.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #128 September 8, 2005 QuotePossibly, if the politicians had been as slow to act as they were this time. So IF, it had been an election year and, IF the politicians had been slow to react, then POSSIBLY there would have been looting. If, if, and possibly. You are, of course, implying that because it is not an election year, politicians were slow to respond to NO, letting people die. Are you accusing people of murder? Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #129 September 8, 2005 QuoteQuotePossibly, if the politicians had been as slow to act as they were this time. So IF, it had been an election year and, IF the politicians had been slow to react, then POSSIBLY there would have been looting. If, if, and possibly. You are, of course, implying that because it is not an election year, politicians were slow to respond to NO, letting people die. Are you accusing people of murder? Derek I am saying very clearly that during an election year politicians have a greater sense of urgency. Why do you repeatedly try to put words in my mouth?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #130 September 8, 2005 QuoteI am saying very clearly that during an election year politicians have a greater sense of urgency. I don't think wether or not it is an election year had any bearing on emergency personnel's response to NO. Do you have any evidence proving that the response time was slower because it is not an election year? QuoteWhy do you repeatedly try to put words in my mouth? I have been asking you the same question for a while now. You say I blame the victims. I ask you to quote me where I blame the victims and you ignore me. Who is putting words in who's mouth? Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #131 September 8, 2005 hi Hook Who cares about who said what, don't confuse the issue with the facts there will be plenty of time for that later. Just agree to disagree for now and after the water evaporates we'll get to the bottom of NO. This is SC please resume with the argueing w need more comic relief. Satire, gotta hand it to you guy's R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #132 September 8, 2005 You don't think some people out there might want start shooting at you for trying to steal a bus before the storm? How about reading this text from another thread on this forum: Quote Looters or anyone stepping outside of civilized behavior should be shot on site--no malice, no concern. You’re eradicating pests. Society will be better off without them and the neighborhoods and decent people of the world safer. If a law enforcement official attempts to disarm you while you are shooting looters, shoot the police officer. He’s not your friend or your ally. It doesn’t matter that the looter is only stealing food or clothing. What matters, is that they’ve cut in front of the of line. I guess I should modify my imaginary scenario so the police office tries to calm the NO resident and gets shot for his trouble. Sure, not everyone is going to be quite so trigger happy. But evidently there are people who would just think you're just some punk ass looter who needs to be killed... and all because you wanted to take a bus and transport yourself out of halms way. Remeber, not everyone thinks like you, and they're probably armed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #133 September 8, 2005 QuoteI don't think wether or not it is an election year had any bearing on emergency personnel's response to NO. Do you have any evidence proving that the response time was slower because it is not an election year? How would you like that evidence? Maybe a sound bite from a politician saying that he wasn't going to respond as quickly since it wasn't an election year? I don't think it is much of a strecth to say politicians are generally much more quickly to respond during an election year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #134 September 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteI am saying very clearly that during an election year politicians have a greater sense of urgency. I don't think wether or not it is an election year had any bearing on emergency personnel's response to NO. Do you have any evidence proving that the response time was slower because it is not an election year? I wrote very clearly that politicians have a greater sense of urgency in responding during election years. I said nothing at all about emergency personnel. I don't consider politicians to be emergency personnel - do you?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #135 September 8, 2005 QuoteI wrote very clearly that politicians have a greater sense of urgency in responding during election years. Without offering any evidence. Quote I said nothing at all about emergency personnel. I don't consider politicians to be emergency personnel - do you? I think the politicians send the Emergency personnel, affecting their response time. I don't believe that the politicians didn't send people in right away because it isn't an election year. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #136 September 8, 2005 QuoteHow would you like that evidence? Maybe a sound bite from a politician saying that he wasn't going to respond as quickly since it wasn't an election year? If all you have is one, that isn't enough. How many people did that politician affect? Show me evidence the president or FEMA director(s) didn't respond quickly because it isn't an election year, politicians that affect a large number of resposne personnel. Otherwise it is aluminum foil hats and black helicopters to me. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #137 September 8, 2005 QuoteYou don't think some people out there might want start shooting at you for trying to steal a bus before the storm? How about reading this text from another thread on this forum: your point is mute here in florida anyway we have a good mayor and govener who has a plan and uses it. Which includes using school busses QuoteSure, not everyone is going to be quite so trigger happy. But evidently there are people who would just think you're just some punk ass looter who needs to be killed... and all because you wanted to take a bus and transport yourself out of halms way. Remeber, not everyone thinks like you, and they're probably armed well be forewarned this guy can return fire and will. And it wouldn't be just me. I'd take a liberal or two. Just so I can have someone to argue with.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #138 September 8, 2005 http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/327/7429/1459 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #139 September 8, 2005 1) what on earth has Florida's emergency plans got to do with whether or not some people in NO might have considered an individual a looter if they attempted to take a bus to escape the storm? 2) what on earth has your ability to shoot people got to do with whether or not some people in NO might have considered an individual a looter if they attempted to take a bus to escape the storm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #140 September 8, 2005 Too funny..... People here crack me up with their "fact" mantra...proof... hey hooknswoop...prove to me there is anybody who could have left, but decided not to leave and is now complaining about the rescue. Prove to me there is even one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #141 September 8, 2005 QuoteProve to me there is even one. Ok, send me the money and I'll bring them to your house and let them tell you in their own words that they chose to stay and complained about the relief effort. Would that suffice? Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #142 September 8, 2005 Well, ya know... At the onset of a major event where manditory evacuation has been ordered, personally I'd take my chance that nobody is gonna be hanging out in the school bus yard, armed, waiting to shoot anyone who tries to take a bus... I'd think they probably got other crap going on BUT, had the city followed their own plan, there wouldnt be any busses to steal now would there? FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #143 September 8, 2005 QuoteOk, send me the money and I'll bring them to your house and let them tell you in their own words that they chose to stay and complained about the relief effort. Would that suffice? Sure, if you send me the money I will need to get politicians to tell you they did not react fast enough because it wasn't an election year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #144 September 8, 2005 QuoteSure, if you send me the money I will need to get politicians to tell you they did not react fast enough because it wasn't an election year. LOL!!!! Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #145 September 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteProve to me there is even one. Ok, send me the money and I'll bring them to your house and let them tell you in their own words that they chose to stay and complained about the relief effort. Would that suffice? Derek This is the kind of thing FEMA does in an election year: www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145962,00.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #146 September 8, 2005 Quote This is the kind of thing FEMA does in an election year: I'm afraid I simply cannot believe anything you have say anymore. When you admit you falsely accused me of blaming the victims, I'll re-think that position. Until then, don't even bother replying to my posts because you have lost all creditbility. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #147 September 9, 2005 QuoteQuote This is the kind of thing FEMA does in an election year: I'm afraid I simply cannot believe anything you have say anymore. When you admit you falsely accused me of blaming the victims, I'll re-think that position. Until then, don't even bother replying to my posts because you have lost all creditbility. Derek So when I quote Fox News I have no credibility. OK, I can live with that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #148 September 9, 2005 Quote1) what on earth has Florida's emergency plans got to do with whether or not some people in NO might have considered an individual a looter if they attempted to take a bus to escape the storm? if the Mayor had not panicked and followed the plan the "looter" would not need to be "stealing" the bus but riding it Quotewhat on earth has your ability to shoot people got to do with whether or not some people in NO might have considered an individual a looter if they attempted to take a bus to escape the storm? Because I am not a antigun liberal, I have and can use a weapon. The fact that someone may try to shoot me while doing what the mayor should have been doing would not present a problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #149 September 9, 2005 >The fact that someone may try to shoot me while doing what the >mayor should have been doing would not present a problem. Yep. Carrying a gun makes you invulnerable to gunfire, something all cops have learned. It's even better than an AAD in that respect; an AAD just saves your life in any conceivable _skydiving_ situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #150 September 9, 2005 QuoteSo when I quote Fox News I have no credibility. Again, you misunderstand. You have no credibility period. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
