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kallend 2,147
QuoteQuoteIf someone gets low mileage they pay more because they buy more.
That's just supposition. What I know for a fact is the folks who drive guzzlers cause the price of gas to rise FOR ME TOO.
This coming from a rich guy
suck it up cupcake - supply and demand - everybody pays the same price, some just consume more than others - either by choice or necessity.
You guys are still trying to apply a micro cause to a macro effect. I really love the hypocrisy of every single gas user here saying "it's not ME causing the issue, it's only that OTHER subgroup". Self-congratulatory pap. Everyone who uses gas contributes to the cost curve and one can only control their personal actions. Bitching about other's choices is impotent/futile and childish.
mr2... - sorry, I just didn't follow your post or I'd reply. I think we are on different conversations.
I'll bitch about waste if I wish to.
You apparently don't know what "rich" is. Rich is my acquaintance Bob Pritzker. Until you have been to the home of a multi-Billionaire, you have no idea.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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The difference is here, we pay the price for our consumption by paying 3-4 times what is paid for there. The associated costs of filling the tank force us to think about using less, or make us use less.
What we have here is a failure to communicate. So your government artificially raises the price of petro (with taxes, etc) so you will drive the type of car they want you to drive. We in the US "typically" don't like the government telling us what to do .. drive, who to marry, what job we can have ... (okay, "many" of us don't) If you in the UK and other parts of the world like your government making laws that limit your freedom, so be it, but don't think you'll get many in the US to agree with you.
Not quite fair Steve, that kind of implies that it's O.K for 'you' to drive thirty vehicles
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
Why would it not be? I can't drive thirty vehicles at the same time? And if I could ... why is that a crime? As said earlier ... any skydivers making this claim are hypocritical. IMHO
Ha see the typo in my original now DOH thirty = thirsty as I'm sure you knew already..
I'm not suggesting it's a crime... fucking selfing but not a crime
Yeah I'm a hypocrit for skydiving but least I only use the plane one-way
Blues,
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
I'm not suggesting it's a crime... fucking selfing but not a crime
Yeah I'm a hypocrit for skydiving but least I only use the plane one-way
Blues,
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
Thirsty vehicles ... oh my! Never been on a thirsty airplane? Dude! Waaaay hypocritical!
Back to your original sattement. It IS okay for me to drive thirsty vehicles. Any skydiver who says differently, is a hypocrite, whether he flies "one way" or not.
Back to your original sattement. It IS okay for me to drive thirsty vehicles. Any skydiver who says differently, is a hypocrite, whether he flies "one way" or not.
Did you miss the bit where admitted to being a skydiving Hypocrit? <>.
But these's no need to build upon that hypocratic act by driving a Petrol Guzzeler too, is there... You've got to draw the line some where ( a waste to far and all that).
Have a pleasant evening,
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
But these's no need to build upon that hypocratic act by driving a Petrol Guzzeler too, is there... You've got to draw the line some where ( a waste to far and all that).
Have a pleasant evening,
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
Convenient to draw the line at something you like. I guess it would be a sin to draw the line at something I may like (like driving my Hummer)
Ha..
PAX
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
....Good job it's got a thick body shell, so you cann't hear people laughing at you in that damned ugly carQuotelike driving my Hummer
PAX
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
HAHA! I don't have a Hummer -- god awful ugly vehicle IMHO, but if a dude wants to drive one .. more power to him, I say!
Good night Steve.
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
night man, remember, don't get your knickers in a wad over American freedom.
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The difference is here, we pay the price for our consumption by paying 3-4 times what is paid for there. The associated costs of filling the tank force us to think about using less, or make us use less.
What we have here is a failure to communicate. So your government artificially raises the price of petro (with taxes, etc) so you will drive the type of car they want you to drive. We in the US "typically" don't like the government telling us what to do .. drive, who to marry, what job we can have ... (okay, "many" of us don't) If you in the UK and other parts of the world like your government making laws that limit your freedom, so be it, but don't think you'll get many in the US to agree with you.
Hi Steve, you are right, our govt puts on about 80% of the selling price of our petrol/gas in the form of taxes. We also pay about $100 less/year for Road Tax (out of about a $250/year charge) if the car we drive is smaller in engine size than about 1600cc.
I don't see where though, they regulate what we drive, who we marry, what job we have etc. We have already discussed this in another thread, and actually, aside from the 2nd Amendment, it appears we are more "free" in the UK than you in the US...you might disagree, but there are some interesting points here...
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1562323;search_string=%26quot%3Bmore%20free%26quot%3B;#1562323
While i hate what it does to my pocket when i fill up my car here, i do know that the reason we are taxed so highly is simple - our government is trying to stop people doing what they do there, namely driving everywhere, consuming huge amounts of oil and damaging the environment. I don't see that as a curb in my freedom - just this weekend, my friends and i drove on a 600 mile round roadtrip up north. It just means that we are forced to be responsible users of a damaging and limited resource. What's so wrong with that? Meddling government action is one thing - forcing people to be responsible for their actions? Well that's something i think all of us need. Just my humble opinion, of course.
Edited to add - just saw this in an email...
"Buy a bike without paying tax or NI.
Bikes4Work is a government backed initiative which aims to increase the use of alternative and greener forms of transport.
The scheme is a salary sacrifice agreement whereby staff can make huge savings on the cost of bikes and accessories because they do not have to pay the National Insurance (NI) and tax contributions on the amount they pay back monthly. To qualify for this scheme you must use your bike to commute either the whole or part of your journey to work."
Isn't this an example of our government trying to offer us more freedom, by allowing us to purchase cheaper bicycles?
"Skydiving is a door"
Happythoughts
You're confused Newbie.
America is the only real free country in the world. all those other 'free' countries are fakes because of how much the government gets involved.
What 'my government doesnt tell me what to do' when heard from an American actually means is:
"I'm a selfish fuck, screw you, screw everyone else. I have a right to do this because I have money to do it and I want to do it. So fuck you and your commie pals when you talk about helping others because I gave $20 to the Red Cross for hurricane victims. Fuck you and your pals when you talk about ecology because thats not my problem, corporations are there to make money, not save the environment you retard. There'll be more gas once the wells are drilled in Alaska now those fucking hippy fucks have stopped blocking development out there.
I've never had to think of anyone but myself, my fat fucking wife and my fat fucking kids and thats not gonna change for anyone at any time, and if you ever try to make me be more socially aware *on any subject* I will shoot you in the fucking head for being a pinko liberal commie bastard"
Remember, this is a country where the middle class conservatives believe that the playing field is totally level and that its the poors fault for being poor so fuck them - they'll "prove" this fact by talking about some stupid general shit that only targets one particular incident (well, you saw the poor looting in New Orleans, that proves that they're all criminals) or something equally invalid.
America has the best and worst of everything, for those of you keeping score at home.
[myMediaRant]
I find the attitude above to be extremely common. The US is a very insular society, usually they only learn about international news if they bombed us or we bombed them, or we're considering bombing them. Americans are raised on a culture of fear and media saturation - noise that doesnt allow a great deal of introspection or rational analysis, and even given the time the quality of information presented to the average American is incredibly low. While they do have a free press (of which they're incredibly proud) that (television) press panders to the lowest common denominator - a victim of free market economics (the shift from costly news team to profit center a couple of decades ago killed TV journalism). There are outlets for "hard" news, but media-wise they're few and far between - certainly nothing on the level that most Europeans would consider a news show. Most of the shows play much like magazine shows for "infotainment" (an Americanism which means 'this is entertainment that might contain a fact or two, but we'll give you the right opinion to have about it').
Take something like 60 minutes, a so called 'hard news program', even the most cursory viewing is laughable given the way the material is manipulated to evoke a specific reaction from the audience. Really it just needs the addition of a laugh track, it already has the editing tricks and background music to help shape each story.
[/myMediaRant]
Woah, that got dangerously close to a rant about the media :)
Yes kids, I know, you have newspapers, but statistically speaking the majority of the US gets their news from comedic monologues on the nightly late shows.
The creation of the 'ME' culture in the US leads to the inevitable "fuck you I wont do what you tell me" attitude while the reality is that their government is just as intrusive, and in some areas more so, than most other 'free' countries.
It's always good for a belly laugh when you hear about how taxes in Europe are so much higher, once you sit and figure the cost of all the various taxes that your average american pays per year - all with the added benefit of paying through the nose for private healthcare.
An update on the score: America's a great country, but there are those who are living in a reality which is greatly different from the one where money is earned and the rest of the population lives.
Now I'll sit and watch for some idiot to tell me 'love it or leave it' and completely miss the point of what I was saying
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TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.
America is the only real free country in the world. all those other 'free' countries are fakes because of how much the government gets involved.
What 'my government doesnt tell me what to do' when heard from an American actually means is:
"I'm a selfish fuck, screw you, screw everyone else. I have a right to do this because I have money to do it and I want to do it. So fuck you and your commie pals when you talk about helping others because I gave $20 to the Red Cross for hurricane victims. Fuck you and your pals when you talk about ecology because thats not my problem, corporations are there to make money, not save the environment you retard. There'll be more gas once the wells are drilled in Alaska now those fucking hippy fucks have stopped blocking development out there.
I've never had to think of anyone but myself, my fat fucking wife and my fat fucking kids and thats not gonna change for anyone at any time, and if you ever try to make me be more socially aware *on any subject* I will shoot you in the fucking head for being a pinko liberal commie bastard"
Remember, this is a country where the middle class conservatives believe that the playing field is totally level and that its the poors fault for being poor so fuck them - they'll "prove" this fact by talking about some stupid general shit that only targets one particular incident (well, you saw the poor looting in New Orleans, that proves that they're all criminals) or something equally invalid.
America has the best and worst of everything, for those of you keeping score at home.
[myMediaRant]
I find the attitude above to be extremely common. The US is a very insular society, usually they only learn about international news if they bombed us or we bombed them, or we're considering bombing them. Americans are raised on a culture of fear and media saturation - noise that doesnt allow a great deal of introspection or rational analysis, and even given the time the quality of information presented to the average American is incredibly low. While they do have a free press (of which they're incredibly proud) that (television) press panders to the lowest common denominator - a victim of free market economics (the shift from costly news team to profit center a couple of decades ago killed TV journalism). There are outlets for "hard" news, but media-wise they're few and far between - certainly nothing on the level that most Europeans would consider a news show. Most of the shows play much like magazine shows for "infotainment" (an Americanism which means 'this is entertainment that might contain a fact or two, but we'll give you the right opinion to have about it').
Take something like 60 minutes, a so called 'hard news program', even the most cursory viewing is laughable given the way the material is manipulated to evoke a specific reaction from the audience. Really it just needs the addition of a laugh track, it already has the editing tricks and background music to help shape each story.
[/myMediaRant]
Woah, that got dangerously close to a rant about the media :)
Yes kids, I know, you have newspapers, but statistically speaking the majority of the US gets their news from comedic monologues on the nightly late shows.
The creation of the 'ME' culture in the US leads to the inevitable "fuck you I wont do what you tell me" attitude while the reality is that their government is just as intrusive, and in some areas more so, than most other 'free' countries.
It's always good for a belly laugh when you hear about how taxes in Europe are so much higher, once you sit and figure the cost of all the various taxes that your average american pays per year - all with the added benefit of paying through the nose for private healthcare.
An update on the score: America's a great country, but there are those who are living in a reality which is greatly different from the one where money is earned and the rest of the population lives.
Now I'll sit and watch for some idiot to tell me 'love it or leave it' and completely miss the point of what I was saying
edited for spelling
TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.
Newbie 0
Are you American?
Interesting post, thanks for the thoughts btw
"Skydiving is a door"
Happythoughts
Interesting post, thanks for the thoughts btw
"Skydiving is a door"
Happythoughts
I'm a transplanted Ukian.
TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.
TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.
Newbie 0
How comes you are living Stateside? How long do you see yourself there for?
"Skydiving is a door"
Happythoughts
"Skydiving is a door"
Happythoughts
Because I love being here. The country *is* success oriented and values hard work over your background. This might be due to it being the US, or it may be more to do with my perspective and me not understanding social rules and being in an industry that relies on raw talent over pieces of paper.
I originally came here to travel and learn, after a year or two of doing the Kung Fu thing I decided that it would be an interesting adventure to settle down and be 'normal'.
I dont see myself ever leaving, I love this country for more reasons than the ones I dislike it for. I certainly never saw anything of interest back in the UK, I've gone back once to visit family and it depressed the hell out of me the moment I landed. Oh, and the food DOES suck. It's not just a joke at the UK's expense. Except Fish and Chips, although I've found an almost suitable substitute.
I know I care more about the US than I ever did about the UK when I lived there.
TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.
I originally came here to travel and learn, after a year or two of doing the Kung Fu thing I decided that it would be an interesting adventure to settle down and be 'normal'.
I dont see myself ever leaving, I love this country for more reasons than the ones I dislike it for. I certainly never saw anything of interest back in the UK, I've gone back once to visit family and it depressed the hell out of me the moment I landed. Oh, and the food DOES suck. It's not just a joke at the UK's expense. Except Fish and Chips, although I've found an almost suitable substitute.
I know I care more about the US than I ever did about the UK when I lived there.
TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.
rehmwa 2
I wish the price of gas in the UK would halve overnight. It would just take getting the government taxes out of it and the market forces into play.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
Market forces are in play, everyone gets taxed the same.
I'm not sure oil is really driven by market forces anyway, in the same way that diamond prices are not driven by market forces - an entity controls distribution and adjusts the supply as it deems fit to artificially control the price.
TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.
I'm not sure oil is really driven by market forces anyway, in the same way that diamond prices are not driven by market forces - an entity controls distribution and adjusts the supply as it deems fit to artificially control the price.
TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.
Faber 0
hey chill out get you one of theese they run at water... http://www.kampestenshuset.dk/spas_fra_ruth.htm
Stay safe
Stefan Faber
get you one of theese they run at water... http://www.kampestenshuset.dk/spas_fra_ruth.htmStay safe
Stefan Faber
Hey cvupcake-
Quick economics lesson. Poor gas mileage equals increased demand. Increased demand equals higher prices.
It is logical to conclude that gas guzzling SUVs that are not held to the same fuel efficiency standards are, in fact, contributing to higher gas prices.
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