Why didn't they leave?

[slug 1]

Hi John

From your clicky

"This is not the time to give a weak performer the benefit of the doubt. The FEMA director's role in the ongoing recovery effort is too important to be entrusted to a clueless political hack with such poor judgment."

We were working for the EPA in region 7 when Jimmy Carter was replaced by Ronnie Reagon.

The democratic EPA regional director was immediatly replaced by a republican appointee.

After the appointment we found out the new regional director of EPA had been a barber in Ks. The senators from ks were questionsed about the mans qualifications and the press was told that he had been a water boy for the elephant for a long tme and it was time for im to be rewarded.

This type of appointment is done by both political parties. The best folks don't always get selected for these high level positions it's it's the folks with the best connections.

Just the way it was, is, and will be. Politic's as usual

Rebulcans, democrates, liberals, conservatives don't mean nothing.

R.I.P.

[kallend 2,147]

Is there yet any evidence that there is anyone in this set (the set of holdouts who then complained of slow response)?

I see a lot of holdouts who are complaining of being evicted.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[namgrunt 0]

just to add a little gas to the fire

NO mayer ........black
NO police chief...black
Cith coun..........black
80% police.........black
fire chief............black
99% looters........black
non leavers.999% .black

could this be a black problem??
no fear jessie jackson,all sharpton,etc. have told us this is a black issue
poor black folks lead by rich black folks refused to be policed by black folks had to be rescued by white folks yet again

now with that said stop argueing about school busses,fema,state ,local and lets argue race since that is ALL the press wants to talk about


canT we all just get along..say to houston

yes with a grin as I splash gas on sharptons fire

we need to replace fema director with jessie jackson..no he was in south america with chavezz

LETS GET BACK TO SKYDIVEING ISSUES










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THIS POST WAS TO GIVE EVERYONE TIME TO STOP,THINK AND NOW LETS GET-R-DONE

59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT
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[namgrunt 0]

bet that got your blood pressure up up up

really lets settle down and jump out

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59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT
LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI)
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[billvon 3,114]

A good take on this from Colin Powell. Below are a few excerpts from an interview with him:
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I think there have been a lot of failures at a lot of levels — local, state and federal. There was more than enough warning over time about the dangers to New Orleans. Not enough was done . . .

I don't think advantage was taken of the time that was available to us, and I just don't know why.

I don't think it's racism, I think it's economic. When you look at those who weren't able to get out, it should have been a blinding flash of the obvious to everybody that when you order a mandatory evacuation, you can't expect everybody to evacuate on their own.

These are people who don't have credit cards; only one in 10 families at that economic level in New Orleans have a car. So it wasn't a racial thing — but poverty disproportionately affects African-Americans in this country. And it happened because they were poor.

[lisamariewillbe 1]

Stop causing trouble old man..... cant wait to see you and nanner tomorrow... whoohooo .... getting closer to the B lisence....

I think its pointless to argue my position anymore, or for anyone to argue, were all stubborn and will not change our views,

there are only so many ways you can say" so and so fucked up"

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

[StreetScooby 5]

No one seems to have raised this question - even if they were put on a bus before Katrina hit, where were they going to go? No evacuation shelters had been set up to receive them. So, they get dumped off at a 7-11 in Baton Rouge? Planning just wasn't there.

We are all engines of karma

[Hooknswoop 19]

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A good take on this from Colin Powell. Below are a few excerpts from an interview with him:
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I think there have been a lot of failures at a lot of levels — local, state and federal. There was more than enough warning over time about the dangers to New Orleans. Not enough was done . . .

I don't think advantage was taken of the time that was available to us, and I just don't know why.

I don't think it's racism, I think it's economic. When you look at those who weren't able to get out, it should have been a blinding flash of the obvious to everybody that when you order a mandatory evacuation, you can't expect everybody to evacuate on their own.

These are people who don't have credit cards; only one in 10 families at that economic level in New Orleans have a car. So it wasn't a racial thing — but poverty disproportionately affects African-Americans in this country. And it happened because they were poor.

I agree completely.

Derek

[Deuce 1]

Bill, I am a former expert on bureaucratic government. Unfortunately there are lots of idiots and beneficiaries of nepotism in local governments.

Ideally, it would have been a qualified civil engineer notifying the state that the Hurricane went over category 3 and the local levees were only built for that.

State level public works guy says, "shit" and opens binder. Binder has list of people to call and stage for "shit happens when we have hurricanes over Cat 3".

National Guard (commanded by the state governor) mobilizes with flood disaster releif stuff and General in charge of national guard notifies regular army general about shit hitting the fan.

Meantime, civilian counterparts notify state and national and civilian relief agencies that the shit is potentially about to hit the fan.

Why didn't this happen? I worked the Loma Prieta earthquake and the Oakland hills fire. Why did that happen so fast and what are some things that went wrong? The local agencies had spent the money from the federal government on stuff the feds expected to find when they got there that the locals had spent on other stuff.

Busted.

All politics is local. If the mayor didn't request help, the Army is not expected to invade, oust him and install a junta. We really don't want that.

I think we are going to find very few fatalities, relative. This was not a tsunami. The water came up and people sought high ground or whatever above the water line.

People so poor they didn't have 3 days worth of tuna or soup in cans? Not likely.

But we'll see. I think regardless of how poor or "stupid" they might have been, they were more resilient than to strap themselves to their couches and let the water rise over their faces without fighting.

[bodypilot90 0]

here are a few

[billvon 3,114]

>. Unfortunately there are lots of idiots and beneficiaries of nepotism in
> local governments.

It's become apparent that that's true at the federal level too. Which is no suprise; Washington is local government writ large.

>All politics is local. If the mayor didn't request help, the Army is not
>expected to invade, oust him and install a junta. We really don't want that.

I don't understand. The local government did request help, and Bush responded by declaring a disaster area and putting FEMA in charge:

"The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing. The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures . . .

Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency."

There were pretty clearly failures at all levels.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050827-1.html

>I think we are going to find very few fatalities, relative. This was not a
>tsunami. The water came up and people sought high ground or
>whatever above the water line.

I agree. I think there will be thousands but not tens of thousands.

>People so poor they didn't have 3 days worth of tuna or soup in cans?
> Not likely.

More like people so old/fat/infirm they couldn't swim.

[NtheSeaOrSky 0]

If anone was able to watch the mayor on meet the press this morning it was quite enlightening.

Especially ironic was his answers to the evacuation questions. He admitted the city had an evacuation plan using city and school busses. He claimed the problem was there were no drivers to drive the busses. When asked why is stated in the evac plans that the mayor was responsible for recruiting help during an evacuation he claimed no one wanted to stay behind for a cat 5 hurricane. When asked where the federal funds went that were appropriated for the evac (for trnasportation, supplies and security at the shelter), he said they were spent on evacuation resources.

During one of his rants, he said he was inside the superdome shelter during the hurricane, experiencing the same conditions. Maybe I missed that video clip, but did anyone else see him in the superdome during the hurricane, not afterwards??

Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

[kallend 2,147]

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here are a few

It is indeed a few, rather than enough. We already know a few busses got flooded.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[bodypilot90 0]

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It is indeed a few, rather than enough. We already know a few busses got flooded.

The picture below shows part of the 206 school buses sitting in a flooded parking lot in New Orleans

Each of these 206 buses holds 65 people

13,000 people per trip. They had two days warning. How many trips could they have made to Baton Rouge? If you figure on loading and return taking 6 hours total, each bus could have made a total of 8 trips X 13,000 = 104,000 people that could have been moved from harms way.

Just a few yes