mnealtx 0 #101 September 8, 2005 So instead, they did nothing - is that supposed to be a better choice?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #102 September 8, 2005 Quotepublic transportation for all the poor people in said city to be moved at once? Let'em scream. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #103 September 8, 2005 QuoteHow much public transportation would be required? Did NO have that much? sure they did, after school busses you can use box trucks and 18 wheelers. Granted not a limo ride but this is a evac. QuoteIf so, what would it be used for when evacuating a city is not going on? ???? ***Can you imagine the screams from the right if every city went out and spent taxpayer money to provide public transportation for all the poor people in said city to be moved at once never heard any screams in florida when we use school busses. Well the CWA did yell when some drivers were going to work for free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #104 September 8, 2005 QuoteSo instead, they did nothing - is that supposed to be a better choice? All the evidence I've seen for "doing nothing" is a picture of some submerged school buses. I have no idea of the circumstances surrounding the state of those buses and whether the city officials could have done anything about them - do you? Do you have any actual evidence that nothing was done?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #105 September 8, 2005 That picture is worth enough. That is the school bus yard. No evidence that they were not fit to be used for transporting. For the sake of arguement, wouldnt the proof lie with the city that they DID do something?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #106 September 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteHow much public transportation would be required? Did NO have that much? sure they did, after school busses you can use box trucks and 18 wheelers. Granted not a limo ride but this is a evac. . Not sure how many box trucks my city owns, I've not seen any. No 18 wheelers, to be sure. Still wondering if NO had enough PUBLIC transportation to evacuate x,000 people (those who have no other means of escape, x = unknown). Until you have hard numbers that the city's resources could do the job, I think it inappropriate to criticize. We KNOW FEMA has the resources. We KNOW FEMA's director had no experience of emergency management before being given the job as a political appointment.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #107 September 8, 2005 QuoteThat picture is worth enough. That is the school bus yard. No evidence that they were not fit to be used for transporting. For the sake of arguement, wouldnt the proof lie with the city that they DID do something? Several hundred thousand people were evacuated. The statement I take issue with is that nothing was done by the city.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #108 September 8, 2005 QuoteNo evidence that they were not fit to be used for transporting really, you can see from that picture that gas was in the tank? You can see from that picture that the engines worked? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NtheSeaOrSky 0 #109 September 8, 2005 On our local news we have had several of the people relocate here after being in the shelter (superdome). As per their personal account on the news, the city did send busses in but people refused to go. Well thats all well and good, but really is not 'hard proof', but then I look at the people still in their homes, right now, refusing to leave and having to be forcibly removed...and I have to think, if that is not proof there really are people out there that DONT want to leave, even in the filth they are living in....how can that be ANYONE'S fault but there own??Life is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #110 September 8, 2005 QuoteFor the sake of arguement, wouldnt the proof lie with the city that they DID do something? Ill quote what I said, just incase you missed it the first time... and as far as engines working.... there school buses that were used a week prior... as far as gas.... school bus yards have there own gas source. They do not have to go to the local Sunoco to get gas.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #111 September 8, 2005 Quoteand as far as engines working.... there school buses that were used a week prior... as far as gas.... school bus yards have there own gas source. They do not have to go to the local Sunoco to get gas. That still doesn't prove they were operational when the picture was taken, or that gas was available in the main holding tank.... Obviously the city did do something since many were evacuated. I agree that they probably did not do enough. I think the same can be said for FEMA. I think I am going to read up on Arabian Horse shows, looks like it is quite the career path. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #112 September 8, 2005 Uhhh yea the city issued a evac order.... a mandatory one that was actually issued by the president. They didnt actually evac them personally they just told them to get the fuck out. Its the people who could NOT get out on their own the the CITY and STATE left behind.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #113 September 8, 2005 QuoteUhhh yea the city issued a evac order.... a mandatory one that was actually issued by the president. They didnt actually evac them personally they just told them to get the fuck out. Its the people who could NOT get out on their own the the CITY and STATE left behind. You are saying that the President issued the order, but then has no responsibility to follow up on that? Must be nice to make demands without being able to be held accountable for them.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #114 September 8, 2005 I'm still waiting for you to quote me where I am blaming the victims.................. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #115 September 8, 2005 hmmmm he issued the order....... then the state passed on the order........ was alllllll over the news..... what was he supposed to do, go door to door ?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #116 September 8, 2005 nope, but that order, together with the disaster declaration authorizes the federal organizationas to get involved.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #117 September 8, 2005 A state of emergency is a governmental declaration that may suspend certain normal functions of government or may work to alert citizens to alter their normal behaviors or to order government agencies to implement their emergency preparedness plans. It can also be used as the rationale for suspending civil liberties; such declarations come during time of natural disaster or during periods of civil unrest or a declaration of war; Hmmmm he told the local govt "Mandatory Evac" Local Govt told citizens "Mandatory Evac" what part dont you understand?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #118 September 8, 2005 that is the online Wikipedia global definition of a state of emergence and not US specific, for your information. Second, that would only address the lead up to the disaster. I have already agreed with you that local and state government either did not do enough, or their plan was faulty (Plan should be reviewed by FEMA by the way as the experts). All procuderes for the federal government to help immediately following the disaster were taken care off and followed as per the Stafford Act. Yet the federal organizations were nowhere to be found following the disaster..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #119 September 8, 2005 Actually it does get specfic... more detail... per country.... even for your country....we do things a bit different. Their plan wasnt faulty... there plan (Local govts plan) wasnt implimented....Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #120 September 8, 2005 QuoteTheir plan wasnt faulty... there plan (Local govts plan) wasnt implimented okay, so the local government and state government fucked up...fine. However, that doesn't take away that the federal government fucked up as well, specially FEMA who had the authorization to react on August 27th. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #121 September 8, 2005 Who did they appoint to handle the state of emergency? Whose job is it to handle the state of emergency? They had plans.... they didnt use there plans, people died, federal had to come in because LOCAL/STATE did NOT do their job.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #122 September 8, 2005 QuoteWho did they appoint to handle the state of emergency? Whose job is it to handle the state of emergency? According to your white house news release found here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050827-1.html QuoteRepresenting FEMA, Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary for Emergency Preparedness and Response, Department of Homeland Security, named William Lokey as the Federal Coordinating Officer for Federal recovery operations in the affected area mind you, that was on August 27th prior to the hurricane hitting..maybe he was on vacaiton or something... further: They had plans.... they didnt use there plans, people died, federal had to come in because LOCAL/STATE did NOT do their job.*** Are you saying that the federal government would not have neededto help with the largest natural disaster in your history if the state and local government had followed their plan better, or had a better plan? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #123 September 8, 2005 QuoteAre you saying that the federal government would not have neededto help with the largest natural disaster in your history if the state and local government had followed their plan better, or had a better plan? What I am saying is that there would have been ALOT less deaths had NO followed through with their obligations.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #124 September 8, 2005 QuoteWhat I am saying is that there would have been ALOT less deaths had NO followed through with their obligations I can't state that as fact, but it looks likely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #125 September 8, 2005 Another view: michellemalkin.com/archives/003458.htm... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
