President Bush may have been the guy who saved NOLA.

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didn't say that anybody said he did

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I didn't say GWB was responsible for the failures of FEMA or even the DHS on this issue, simply that he should not be given credit for the work done by NOAA.

I have not seen anywhere where he has not given NOAA their props... but politcal officials are the ones that make the call on evacuations, not NOAA... none of the NHC's public advisories say evacuate.

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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Nope, pretty safe to say that you missed it.

Really? Well then let me take a shot at making your point for you in a direct, genuine and mature manner.

While President Bush may have issued an evacuation order prior to the onset of flooding in New Orleans, this fact does nothing to deal with the dire situation that the people of New Orleans currently face. While it may very well be that steps were taken to prevent suffering and loss of life, it doesn't mean that people are not currently suffering and dying. What was done is of little importance, it is what must be done now that is important.

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Nope, pretty safe to say that you missed it.

Pretty safe to say I didn't.

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Just in case you want to be fussy...your point also included the idea that while steps are being taken to alleviate the current suffering, such as fixing pipelines, these accomplishments do not mean that we should "focus on the positive" and ignore the rest.

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>Boy the oil company is your favorite punching bag.

No, they're really not. They're just one of a thousand companies in the US trying to make a buck or two.

>First people bitch that the cost of gas is going up because the
>pipelines were cut.

Not bitching about that. I could care less about the price of gas.

>They they were bashed because they were not working fast enough
>to get back online.

Again, it doesn't affect me much how fast they fix it. For the sake of people in the south I hope it doesn't take forever, but it's really up to them how fast they fix it.

>Now they are the bad people because they are getting systems back
> online while people are still starving on NO.

Again, not that important to me. Good that people have jobs and are fixing things though.

>Who the hell do they think they are.

People working for their families, like anyone else. Heck, some of the people bitching about them probably have energy stocks in their 401k's and are thus part of the problem.

>No matter what they do the libs are never happy.

Not sure who 'the libs' are, but I'm a liberal, and oil companies don't upset me one bit. Heck, I bought my second batch of solar-PV from BP Solar.

Ok, Bill... If you don't really care either way, why the slam?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I have not seen anywhere where he has not given NOAA their props...

AGAIN, I didn't say he didn't. (For some reason people keep responding to things I'm not actually writing.)

What my responce was in reference to was the article quoted in the FIRST post in this thread wherein some nitwit blogger was claiming that it was GWB that "saved" New Orleans by strongly urging an evacuation. The idea is preposterous at best and THE ORIGINAL BLOGGER is an idiot for even suggesting it.

Is that clear enough?

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Seriously? That's the best you can do?

Actually, I did quite well. You gave me the opening to once again tell you what I think of you without violating Rule #1, and I took it.

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Perhaps you did not WRITE it, but you post sure did suggest it... AND, I don't think it is that perposterous at all, given what I have seen out of NO's mayor and LA's governor. As dumb as many think GWB is, they are for sure dumber.

Edit to add... did GWB save NO? No. Did the maditory evacuation of NO save a significant number of people? Absolutely. Did, GWB have something to do with the manditor evacuation? I don't know, but if, as the blogger's post suggests, he did, than he did have a hand in saving the lives (and sure he got his info from NOAA, who got data from the AF, and who's sats were put in orbit by NASA, and they sent the info over the internet that was invented by Al Gore, yada, yada, yada)

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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You gave me the opening to once again tell you what I think of you without violating Rule #1 . . .

Not really.

You see, I'm far more tolerant of people abusing me than I am of people abusing other people. Had you used that tactic against anyone else and especially outside of this Forum, I probably would have given you a warning. Do not think that you're somehow beating the system.

We -always- win.

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Had you used that tactic against anyone else

Your tactic...I simply expounded on it.

You made the initial insult.

So you always win. It is understood that Greenies can ban anyone, anytime, for any reason...no questions asked.

So the "we always win" statement is a bit obvious.

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Ah, I now see my mistake.

You can't take a joke.

Here is the original intent of the reference, paraphrased so you can see my intention.

"You probably think this thread is about you, don't you, don't you?"

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I have not seen anywhere where he has not given NOAA their props...

AGAIN, I didn't say he didn't. (For some reason people keep responding to things I'm not actually writing.)

What my responce was in reference to was the article quoted in the FIRST post in this thread wherein some nitwit blogger was claiming that it was GWB that "saved" New Orleans by strongly urging an evacuation. The idea is preposterous at best and THE ORIGINAL BLOGGER is an idiot for even suggesting it.

Is that clear enough?

Ah, I see.... so when the President doesn't listen to his advisors, he's an idiot...and when he *DOES*, he's an idiot, too.... methinks your prejudices are showing....

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Hi Burbleflyer--- the libs here hate the prez so much that they will NEVER admit that he's done something right and/or good. I didn't care much for Clinton, but I could at least acknowledge when he did a good thing... but that's 'cos I'm a conservative and ALWAYS fair.

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I have not seen anywhere where he has not given NOAA their props...

AGAIN, I didn't say he didn't. (For some reason people keep responding to things I'm not actually writing.)

What my responce was in reference to was the article quoted in the FIRST post in this thread wherein some nitwit blogger was claiming that it was GWB that "saved" New Orleans by strongly urging an evacuation. The idea is preposterous at best and THE ORIGINAL BLOGGER is an idiot for even suggesting it.

Is that clear enough?

Ah, I see.... so when the President doesn't listen to his advisors, he's an idiot...and when he *DOES*, he's an idiot, too.... methinks your prejudices are showing....

Once an idiot always an idiot.

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Heh powerline, next we'll have people arguing with quotes from moveon.org.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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I have not seen anywhere where he has not given NOAA their props...

AGAIN, I didn't say he didn't. (For some reason people keep responding to things I'm not actually writing.)

What my responce was in reference to was the article quoted in the FIRST post in this thread wherein some nitwit blogger was claiming that it was GWB that "saved" New Orleans by strongly urging an evacuation. The idea is preposterous at best and THE ORIGINAL BLOGGER is an idiot for even suggesting it.

Is that clear enough?

Ah, I see.... so when the President doesn't listen to his advisors, he's an idiot...and when he *DOES*, he's an idiot, too.... methinks your prejudices are showing....

Once an idiot always an idiot.

It's really a shame that your blind, unreasoning hate prevents you from seeing anything good that the President has done...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I have not seen anywhere where he has not given NOAA their props...

AGAIN, I didn't say he didn't. (For some reason people keep responding to things I'm not actually writing.)

What my responce was in reference to was the article quoted in the FIRST post in this thread wherein some nitwit blogger was claiming that it was GWB that "saved" New Orleans by strongly urging an evacuation. The idea is preposterous at best and THE ORIGINAL BLOGGER is an idiot for even suggesting it.

Is that clear enough?

Ah, I see.... so when the President doesn't listen to his advisors, he's an idiot...and when he *DOES*, he's an idiot, too.... methinks your prejudices are showing....

Once an idiot always an idiot.

It's really a shame that your blind, unreasoning hate prevents you from seeing anything good that the President has done...

Incorrect. My dislike is well reasoned, and I think GWB handled the WTC disaster very well, and the ousting of the Taliban was a very good move.

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www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/politics/3649975.html

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>If he made the call to evacuate then it shows that the he and his
>administration were proactive.

True. And I did hear that a gas pipeline was repaired today. Why does the liberal media continue to harp on all the dead people, bloated bodies, and dying children? All they do is criticize. Why can't they report all the good things that are going on, like the brave oil companies fixing the pipelines? From what you hear on the news, you'd think New Orleans was some sort of big disaster. Why are they so negative?

Hi Bill

IMO the reason some of the media ("Liberal")are so "negative" is because they were in NO for the four days after the hurrican hit and witnessed the Human suffering and the deteriating conditions first hand and FEMA reporting to the outside world Help is on the way!.

These reporters had witnessed disasters all around the world so they thought they knew what to expect. The disconnect between FEMA and NO was a major FUBAR.

I'm a human being and am horrifed what we saw via the wonders of T.V.

When the final death toll comes in we'll see if the "liberal" media had a reason to be "so negative".

The death toll from the Tsunami couldn't be prevent due to the lack of advance warning imo a large number of the death's in NO could have been prevented if FEMA had their act together.

History will be the judge of what happen in NO back in 2005. We'll see if the "Liberal" media enters into the equation

R.I.P.

OH and I guess Shepherd Smith of FOX NEWS is a liberal?.....the fucking guy deserves your respect as he was the 1st guy to call attention to the plight of those who weren't evacuated by the city of NO and also why did the mayor himself leave and make NO effort whatsoever to evacuate his "chocolate" people?

I guess he was too busy ordering the disarming of legal gun owners because they were going to commit crimes?

My own relatives were nearly carjacked the night before as they left...boy I guess they deserved that since they are all older ladies in their 50s and 60s and had the audacity to drive a caddilac escalade

good thing their father a former NO fireman insisted they all carry hanguns since they were kids (18)

they actually had to fire 4 rounds out the window into the air because nobody was going to back away from their vehicle as the blocked the interesection and started trying to get the luggage off the roof and tried to gain entry....not asking for a ride mind you...