maybe Bush is a jinx?

[skyejumper 0]

My first post in this forum... but listening to the Katrina coverage on the news, I began to think about our country since Bush took office. Let's see... since his first term began, the US has suffered thru the most horrific act of terrorism EVER on U.S. soil. He led our country into one of the deadliest wars in decades, which is STILL going on (don't get me started on THAT ). Let's not forget about a major U.S. city under water,and a good portion of the Gulf Coast being devastated. Yeah, Bush can't control the weather... and I'm sure he's upset about having to end his month-long vacation a few days early.. but I'm going to blame him for part of this disaster as well. ARGH!!! OK, if I can't blame him for that, I'm blaming him 99.9999% for gas prices going thru the roof.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

I don't like GWB, but he's got nothing to do with Mother Nature. Shit Hurricane season isn't over yet. Who's next?

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[bodypilot90 0]

Then you and ted kennedy have something in common. Is this a good thing?

[StevePhelps 0]

Actually given what has transpired on his watch, I'm very grateful ALGore wasn't in office. I wish Reagan was, but I guess W will do.

[kallend 2,108]

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I don't like GWB, but he's got nothing to do with Mother Nature. Shit Hurricane season isn't over yet. Who's next?

Most reputable atmospheric scientists believe that human intervention is causing climatic change. Even very slight increases in average global temperatures are predicted to cause an increase in extreme weather, such as HURRICANES. Bush is conspicuous in downplaying these risks and enacting policies at variance with environmental responsibility.

See also www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1808897#1808897

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[bodypilot90 0]

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Actually given what has transpired on his watch, I'm very grateful ALGore wasn't in office.

or worse Kerry.......

[masterblaster72 0]

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or worse Kerry.......

That's right. Kerry or Gore wouldn't have the balls that Bush has.

Not the kind of BALLS (and I mean, audacity, cajones, straight up gall) to take a five-week vacation during one of the worst periods in a war that your republican president, is running so well. Well, he cut his vacation short a couple of days. There's our leader, I knew he'd come through for us!!

Blind partisanship kills me (I love the tuff-guy Reagan quote by the way, very patriotic). You're behind a cokehead alcoholic stammering rich-boy draft dodger who started a sensless war and is botching it. Patriot...flag..gun..hawk..American! Do you have stock in Halliburton? Are you a multi-millionaire? I ask because I'm curious to know how his policies have personally benefited you.

I can tell you this: *Gore would not have ignored 911 intelligence the way Bush did*. Ever occur to you that 911 may never have happened if they took Richard Clarke seriously? As a New Yorker, it pisses me off that they ignored him. Pisses me off even more that they capitalized on 911 and ran their 2004 campaign on it. 911 COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.

And Steve what is it that transpired under Gore's watch that's nearly as bad as the sh.t that's transpired under this jackass's watch? I don't know if Gore would be much better because I'm not blindly partisan like you. But I can't imagine a leader much worse than this. Stop hiding behind the guns and the flags, stop your mindless cheerleading and talk substance. Thanks guys!

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[skyejumper 0]

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Even very slight increases in average global temperatures are predicted to cause an increase in extreme weather, such as HURRICANES.

Yes, you're exactly right on this. I was just reading an article in National Geographic about how the 2-3 degree increase in ocean temp is the cause of the increase in number of hurricanes, as well as strength. This is also cyclical, and unfortunately is going to continue for a few more years.

My quotes about Bush were a bit tongue in cheek. Obviously I know he doesn't control the weather, and my heart goes out to the people in the Gulf Coast. I'm actually looking into joining the Red Cross ASAP as a volunteer, and heading down there for a few weeks. If Gore or Kerry were in office, I'm sure 9/11 still would have happened, and who knows what would have happened with Iraq.

ETA... just saw masterblasters post. On one had I do agree that important 9/11 info was overlooked by the previous administration... however, since it took place so soon after Bush took office, I'm not sure having Gore in there would have made much of a difference at that point.

[billvon 3,079]

> If Gore or Kerry were in office, I'm sure 9/11 still would have
>happened, and who knows what would have happened with Iraq.

Gore would have attacked, but with UN approval - and we would just be one part (perhaps even not the largest part) of a peacekeeper force there now. Kerry would have inherited a war and done about the same as Bush did, but with a bit more understanding of the situation.

[slug 1]

Hi skye

GW is definately a unlucky dude.

He was in the wrong place at the wrong time twice, can't blame the man for that.

Kaatrina just gave GW a pop quizz to see what he can do.

Time will tell, he's got a big job ahead of him.

R.I.P.

[StevePhelps 0]

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And Steve what is it that transpired under Gore's watch that's nearly as bad as the sh.t that's transpired under this jackass's watch? I don't know if Gore would be much better because I'm not blindly partisan like you. But I can't imagine a leader much worse than this. Stop hiding behind the guns and the flags, stop your mindless cheerleading and talk substance. Thanks guys!

I didn't know Gore or Kerry had a watch so to speak. AlGore was not much of a VP and Kerry less of a Sen (IMHO) Much of which is based on my feelings about liberal Dems in office while I was in the military. Carter was trying to reduce Special Forces by deactivating 7th Group. It was pitiful to be in the Army in 1970s expecially SF. Reagan not only kept the 7th but reactivated the 3rd and 1st SF units. Bush may not be a Reagan, but he hasn't crippled our elite military units they was so many Dem presidents have.
Flame on!

[sinker 0]

You're behind a cokehead alcoholic stammering rich-boy draft dodger who started a sensless war and is botching it.

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well, you just eliminated yourself from having ANY hope of being taken even remotely seriously.

so what do you think of clinton? ted kennedy? saints to you are they?

And Steve what is it that transpired under Gore's watch ***

uh, hello? what about most of the PLANNING for 9/11? think that started soon after Bushy took office? What was Atta doing for those 8 years while Clinton was getting blown under his desk, Al was inventing the internet and Hillary was robbing the White House?

-the artist formerly known as sinker

[masterblaster72 0]

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Actually given what has transpired on his watch, I'm very grateful ALGore wasn't in office

I didn't know Gore had a watch either. You mentioned it...

And I don't have much knowledge about the military...but my impression is that it wasn't weak under Clinton.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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You're behind a cokehead alcoholic stammering rich-boy draft dodger who started a sensless war and is botching it.***

well, you just eliminated yourself from having ANY hope of being taken even remotely seriously.

Harsh words from the man talking about 'bed wetting liberals' on another thread.

God I love SC!

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[masterblaster72 0]

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so what do you think of clinton? ted kennedy? saints to you are they?

I don't think much of the Kennedys. But Clinton I admire because he came from nothing. *He is a product of the American dream.* He was not born to wealth. He is a self-made man. His lies and blow jobs didn't leave people dead in their wake. Bush's lies have. If you believe everything Bush is telling the country, you need to open up to some real questions.

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well, you just eliminated yourself from having ANY hope of being taken even remotely seriously

Bush wasn't a cokehead, alcoholic, doesn't stammer, didn't dodge the draft by joining the Texas NG (and didn't go awol), and started an utterly necessary war that is going as well as can go? If so, of course you'll never take me seriously, and that's ok.

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what about most of the PLANNING for 9/11?

You have a point -- no doubt the previous administration shares the blame. And I'm going to add to it that it still could have been avoided, even by Bush. As a matter of fact, if repubs are so terrific with National Security, then why did it happen? Again: it could have been avoided. Instead it happened, and it became a political centerpiece for this president to get re-elected on.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[sinker 0]

But Clinton I admire because he came from nothing. *He is a product of the American dream.* He was not born to wealth. He is a self-made man. His lies and blow jobs didn't leave people dead in their wake. Bush's lies have. If you believe everything Bush is telling the country, you need to open up to some real questions. ***

I don't believe everything Bush tells the country. In fact I don't trust him much at all. But I distrust him LESS that I distrust Kerry. And yes, what Clinton did what his life --to a point-- is admirable. But the man is a felon. He purgered himself. And he cheated on his wife in the oval office. That means nothing to many, but it means a lot to me. How could he really care for his country and honor his vows to protect it when he didn't even honor his most sacred vow to his wife? But enough of that...

Bush did drugs and drank... and he admitted it, and he got help for it, he reformed, and he beat the problem. That is a success story, my friend, not something to berate him for. Clinton did drugs too... but he didn't inhale... [dr. evil voice on] rriiiigghhhtttttt [/dr. evil voice off] True, Bush's public speaking sucks. And I laugh at his stammering every time I hear it. Clinton on the other hand, is a beautiful speaker....

was clinton a draft dodger? I honestly don't recall. did he serve in the reserves? can't recall that either.

i honestly don't think 9/11 could have been avoided. it might have been mitigated, but not completely avoided. and future attacks can't be either. in our free society, it's just not possible. it does no good to keep blaming the leaders.

-the artist formerly known as sinker

[sinker 0]

point taken! sorry

-the artist formerly known as sinker

[StevePhelps 0]

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Actually given what has transpired on his watch, I'm very grateful ALGore wasn't in office

I didn't know Gore had a watch either. You mentioned it......

I diodn't say AlGore had a watch, I said I'm glad he DIDN'T get to have a watch ... big difference

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And I don't have much knowledge about the military...but my impression is that it wasn't weak under Clinton.

Your impression was wrong, but hey, you admit you're speaking from a lack of knowledge.

[skyejumper 0]

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i honestly don't think 9/11 could have been avoided. it might have been mitigated, but not completely avoided. and future attacks can't be either. in our free society, it's just not possible. it does no good to keep blaming the leaders.

9/11 could have been avoided if the U.S. had the same level of airline security as other countries have had for decades. Israel was pretty much laughing at us and our lack of weapons checks and other security measures. They've been on the cutting edge of security for a long time. It's a matter of the big bad U.S. never thinking that terrorism could happen on our soil. If anything, the first bombing of the Trade Center should have been a clue.