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How many consumer products can you name that require general relativity to be taken into account in order to work correctly?
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any gps-system. they won't work if you don't take into account that any watch runs slower once accelerated

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How many consumer products can you name that require general relativity to be taken into account in order to work correctly?
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any gps-system. they won't work if you don't take into account that any watch runs slower once accelerated

Correct. each GPS satellite has an atomic clock on board whose time signal has to be corrected for special and general relativistic effects. If the correction were not made, position errors would accumulate at a rate of around 7 miles every day.

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Does playing Ist person shooter games over the web count as relying on general relativity?

As in being wiped before it really happens by people you don't even see as their time reference is different and they get to fire their bullets , reload and walk away before their target even knows they've been got.

Is this a form of virtual relativity?

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Looks more like special relativity to me.

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in reply 2"Looks more like special relativity to me. '

I've had it explained to me that the laws of relativity break down when the human mind is applied to the equation. Sort of like eastern mysticism meets western scientism.

This thought concept goes a bit like "one thing faster than the speed of light is thought. "

I suppose it could be argued that thought itself is only propogated at the speed of brain synapses firing which is ? the speed of light. ?

Our human physical world is affected and created by the power of thought so perhaps as such should be included in any physical equations.

Just some thoughts.

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>This thought concept goes a bit like "one thing faster than the speed
>of light is thought. "

?? Not really. Our brains are dismally slow when compared to computers. The reason we do well is that we have 100 billion neurons that can all function at the same time, and have a high degree of interconnectivity, whereas computers have low connectivity and (generally) process things one at a time.

>I suppose it could be argued that thought itself is only propogated
>at the speed of brain synapses firing which is ? the speed of light. ?

The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second. The speed of the polarization wave in a nerve is about .05 miles per second.

>Our human physical world is affected and created by the power of
> thought so perhaps as such should be included in any physical
> equations.

Well, that's a can of worms. If you say that human thought can, through action humans take, affect the physical world, then I agree 100% - but that's not all that profound. Computer software can do the same thing, and computer software has even less "reality" than thoughts do.

Some claim that the world is _only_ what we can observe and think about, and could (for all we know) be one big simulation. In such a world, thought is the only reality. The old term for this is solipsism; the new term for it is "just like in The Matrix." Needless to say, most people don't believe that. It is pretty clear, though, that pure thought can change your _perception_ of the world, and to many people, one's perception of the world and the world itself are pretty inseperable - and from that point of view, pure thought _can_ have quantifiable changes on what one perceives.

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Nicely informative reply Billvon,
.....didn't realise the human brain synapse polarised wave front thingy was so slow...brainlocks now take on a new meaning for me.

A related thing regarding thought processes in the brain involve a couple of potentially conflicting viewpoints.

One of these is that the brain is where all of our thoughts are either processed or stored or whatever.

The conflicting(?) viewpoint is that the brain is just the receptor/ transmittor or something similar to a radio transciever.--------- This is the one that gives thought the ablity to travel at well beyond the speed of light as it is capable of travelling in a medium still relatively unknown to us where ordinary physics doesn't apply .(eg in dreams, into the past , future or different presents imagined or otherwise.)

Hard to prove such given the rules of this physical reality.

My guess is its a mixture of both these ideas without the exclusion of either.

This then makes our ability to tap into the 'unknown' apparent on a different level and in a different way,

The hardwiring in us could be little more than a tempory storehouse and computing centre doing little problem solving jobs for the greater universes.

Some may call this evolution in action
......or not

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