AlexCrowley 0 #26 August 31, 2005 remember, for some people it's too difficult to have an argument with more than two sides as there's too much to keep inside their head. By making it a left vs right argument everyone can know where they stand very easily. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #27 September 1, 2005 This QuoteOur military and government leaders assessed the situation and decided on a course of action. . is the only portion of your post i really disagree with.. our military leaders did not decide on a course of action. It was dictated to them by the elected 'leadership'. Many of whom have NO military experience and yet decried, near slandered and removed from position those military leaders who disagreed with their preconceived objectives (and they WERE preplanned and preconceived, there is ample evidence to support their predefined objectives in the region, (which is entirely different from saying the manufactured evidence of WMD so dont bother)) when they were told of the REAL cost and timelines that would be required. We HAD International support after 9/11 to fight the war started by it.. In AFGANISTAN, but instead we invade Iraq prematurely and take a short sighted 'go it alone' approach that has come back to haunt us.. We are single-handedly sustaining and paying for the situation in Iraq. A more deliberate approach, one that built a REAL Coalition (instead of the token support we have) and finances necessary to sustain an invasion, if it was ultimately determined to be necessary, would have left us in a position militarily and economically to deal with unexpected natural disasters such as Katrina as well as other potential military threats and circumstances. Before anyone starts this isnt "arm chair quarter backing" or "20/20 hindsight" it is flat out in your face, WE TOLD YOU SO AND WERE IGNORED AND/OR FIRED because it didnt fit with the administrations agenda. and it IS a clear and ultimately painful example of the piss poor planning, and lack of leadership, and shortsighted, bullheaded determination to see only what they wished to on the part of this administration. We are fucked, we cannot get out without making a larger mess and we are to far down the rabbit hole economically to recover in the near term, a situation that could have easily been avoided had GWB and his appointed advisors simply listened to the REAL experts instead of firing them. How much of DS did we pay for? How much of OIF are we paying for? Why? Because there was a clear justification for former and little but Flag waving speeches and unsubstantiated claims for the later. It sucks to say I told you so, but the weakness of a democracy is being ‘led’ by those who the lowest common denominator likes best… Would you get in a plane (without a chute) flown by a democratically elected pilot? Well its to late now, because ours has proven himself incompetent and now Mother Nature has created a circumstance that reveals his folly to everyone….____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #28 September 1, 2005 QuoteWe are single-handedly sustaining and paying for the situation in Iraq - bollocks WTF Quotea REAL Coalition (instead of the token support we have) Well thank you very much for pissing on your countries allies who also paying financially and personally - it's not ony American soldiers dying over this complete fuck up, you know . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 September 1, 2005 Quote Yes, and the Right NEVER does that when they oppose the administration. God, republicans and democrats make me want to vomit. Not saying that at all.... but the conservatives are definitely having to play catch-up ball....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #30 September 1, 2005 i were against that war from start on.. how ever i always thourght that if a country step up as USA,DENMARK,UK and others did in Iraqe WE(ALL of US) should bring it to an end... I dont like the conditions in Iraqe but WE agreed to change that so WE has to.. Leaving Iraqe by any of thouse who entered that war to begin whith,is loosing the war and thouse who has been killed,disabled or otherway been in touch whith the war has payed a price for NOTHING.. there fore we should stand together as we already did and bring it to end the right way... in Europe we hear alot that the American people want their troopers back home.. at that(even as i dont like your president) i think is right of him not to do..Sorry guys at day 1 you wanted this,now it starts to hurts as people really dies and get disabled dont mean you can just pussy out(meaning leaving the kaso theres down there..),atleast not whith out beeing looked at from the rest of the world as a bunch of pussyes.. which the American troopers aint... support your troops the right way,not telling them as they return whith dead freinds that its a wrong war..ALL wars are wrong but you dont want to hear that as you felt it at your own body...Stand by your word.. making a dessision about going to war means that you or your relatives can get killed or hurt,does you say yes to that risk you´ll need to deal whith it.. just like skydive and BASE... I think the troops does make a good difference down there(as the war now were started),let them do their work its their jobs and theyre good at it.. Thanks Chad,i know what you did down there(a small part of it atleast)..Im honnoered to know you and even more honnored that you didnt killed me after that Fart at the A Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #31 September 1, 2005 Someone should do a feasibility study on aerosol pork missiles. Im sure the US has some chemical warfare delivery systems somewhere that could simply spray pork fat across multiple city blocks. This could also be installed into personal grenades, and crowd control water cannons could be modified quite easily. By reducing the loss of life there would be far more people to help with reconstruction. In addition a WPD (Weapon of Pork Dispersal) would be less costly than having to keep shooting off those really expensive missiles. Bombing people tends to upset them, to break their spirit you need to attack their psyche directly. Victory is assured! TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #32 September 1, 2005 just dont complain as they use the same metodes in your contry against you... Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #33 September 1, 2005 Yeah, I can imagine the chaos if they raised ga..................never mind. I heard that their psyops team were secluded in a bunker somewhere drawing mustaches and groucho glasses on pictures of the current administration for dispersal on the ground. The incredible psychological toll would be unmeasurable. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #34 September 1, 2005 QuoteQuote Yes, and the Right NEVER does that when they oppose the administration. God, republicans and democrats make me want to vomit. Not saying that at all.... but the conservatives are definitely having to play catch-up ball.... Oh yes...this is the way we should view politics. The other side is slandering more! WE BETTER STEP OUR MUDSLINGING UP!!! liberals, conservatives(of the strict type), you ALL refuse to see anything that does not fit with your ideology. And if information is given that is actual proof, well, you explain that away to. And if that doesn't work then it is a [left/right] - wing conspiracy. Its the easiest way to debate...and the saddest.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #35 September 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteWe are single-handedly sustaining and paying for the situation in Iraq - bollocks WTF Quotea REAL Coalition (instead of the token support we have) Well thank you very much for pissing on your countries allies who also paying financially and personally - it's not ony American soldiers dying over this complete fuck up, you know . maybe you should look up the word 'token' and then look at the % financed and compare those to the same % from Desert Storm, then come back when you have a clue...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #36 September 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteWe are single-handedly sustaining and paying for the situation in Iraq - bollocks WTF Quotea REAL Coalition (instead of the token support we have) Well thank you very much for pissing on your countries allies who also paying financially and personally - it's not ony American soldiers dying over this complete fuck up, you know . maybe you should look up the word 'token' and then look at the % financed and compare those to the same % from Desert Storm, then come back when you have a clue... When it comes to having a clue, Shropshire is not the one with the shortage. Wow, even GWB himself keeps telling us that he has a coalition and this is not a unilateral US exercise.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #37 September 2, 2005 of course.. every life lost is important no matter what the nationality.. but points on a percent of the total lives at risk barely even qualifies as 'token' support however its easy to understand how GWB could make the mistake of believing he has the support of an "International Coalition" when he views the world thru his tiny straw of misperceptions ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
