jdhill 0 #101 September 1, 2005 You would not need to steal it if you had gone to a shelter when you were told to... as bad as conditions are at the Superdome, they have water and two meals a day... and only 9,000 people went there before the storm... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #102 September 1, 2005 QuoteYou would not need to steal it if you had gone to a shelter when you were told to... as bad as conditions are at the Superdome, they have water and two meals a day... and only 9,000 people went there before the storm... J Some of the people that didn't go to the shelter didn't have means to get there. These are very poor people that were trying to save what little material items they had, not to mention their pride. BTW, you know for a fact that the people in the Superdome had water and two meals a day? In the reports I'm watching on CNN, they didn't. Why else would the Mayor send out an SOS saying they no longer had the means to support the people? Oh no! I'm back in here Edited to add link SOS from Mayor May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #103 September 1, 2005 >You would not need to steal it if you had gone to a shelter when you >were told to... Right, and if you were smart enough not to live below sea level it wouldn't be an issue, and if you were smart enough to leave blah blah blah. The fact remains that the people you are considering idiots desperately need help RIGHT NOW. Rate their intelligence later. Right now the job is to save their lives and get them out of there. >as bad as conditions are at the Superdome, they have water and >two meals a day... amidst a sea of rotting garbage, mud and dead bodies. You can't use the bathrooms any more because people keep getting raped there. Time to get them out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #104 September 1, 2005 Read my post in BonfireKeith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #105 September 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteIMO, there is a big difference between me getting water and food IMO, there is not. J Sounds like you've never been in a real natural disaster. I hope that you never experience one first had, but trust me when you're in the middle of one you will do ANYTHING to survive. Have some compassion for these people. Many of them could not leave for whatever reasons. I say let them take the basic necessities for their survival. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mikepal 0 #106 September 2, 2005 Norfolk, VA-The DoD has ordered the hospital ship Comfort to 'emergency deploy" from Baltimore. The Iowa Jima and other amphib assault ships are leaving as I am typing this. Elements of SEAL teams are also being deployed from both coasts. Oceana air traffic has tripled in the last 24 hours. Flights in are that of large cargo planes. Same at Langley, VA. -To those advocating shooting first (at the looters) Don't be so damned trigger happy-There human beings under pressure ( a tremendous one at that) Think back to the young marine in Iraq who shot someone because he wouldn't show his hands. -Never second guess your troops ( or civilians) on the ground-unless you have been in the same situation. Looting is one thing, survival is another-any law enforcement or military person that will see that in New Orleans will have to answer to his own mind. -"Its like Mogadishu"- yea ok...if you say so. I'll tell Randy's family that Superdome had 2 meals a day? That was the evac point-any meals were from other vendors who were charging astronomical fees. Such good Christians huh? "FEMA will pay for that"- "WE" are FEMA right now Ladies and Gents, depending on your "view" from the armchair. While we all took the time to voice our opinions here-a child has died, and another will die. Sleep on that! They are human beings in that city-capable of incredible goodness, and also incredible savagery (or stupidity). Thats our history. Deal with it! 30,000 skydivers X 100lbs of food, water and meds collected from each member who does this only once a week (even every 2 weeks) is a hell of a logistical impact as far as supplies. Love to stay and chat and read the "There I was...thought I was gonna die" syndrome (or whatever the soapbox is), but I'm prepping meds and supplies for flight right now. Have a safe, dry, holiday weekend. Eat all your meat and veggies, drink lots of cold water and beer as well, and above all-turn that AAD on Respectfully, Mikepal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #107 September 2, 2005 QuoteI'm prepping meds and supplies for flight right now. Be safe.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #108 September 2, 2005 QuoteThe fact remains that the people you are considering idiots desperately need help RIGHT NOW. Rate their intelligence later. Right now the job is to save their lives and get them out of there. Have I ever said, don't help? No. Quote Time to get them out. I agree... I have bus loads of the evacuees 1/2 a mile from my house, with more arriving every hour. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #109 September 2, 2005 Quote not to mention their pride. Saving their pride, by parading in front of cameras while looting, ummm, OK, sure... I'll buy that for a dollar. The looting started before the storm even cleared... although I find myself softening, only because of the utter incompetence of the relief effort... I still can't justify looting when the shelter was still viable, which it was after the storm... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #110 September 2, 2005 QuoteSounds like you've never been in a real natural disaster. Perhaps it sounds that way, unforunately thats not the case. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #111 September 2, 2005 I love how you take things out of content. When I mentioned "their pride" I was talking about the people that didn't leave because they didn't have the money to leave. Lower income families, many of them live day to day, paycheck to paycheck. They are lucky if they even have a car. But what they do have is pride. Naturally the media is going to show the ugly side of looters parading around. But I saw one woman with diapers. I don't think she would take those if they were not needed. QuoteI still can't justify looting when the shelter was still viable, which it was after the storm... Wow! I so wish you had been put in that situation. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/08/29/national/a064204D65.DTL I'm not sure but I would think that the roof leaking does not mean it's viable. QuoteThe looting started before the storm even cleared... although I find myself softening, only because of the utter incompetence of the relief effort... Before relief efforts could start, they needed to clear the airports so planes could land. They also needed to figure out what roads were not flooded in order to get to them. Yes, I admit, there have been a number of wrong things done before, during, and after this disaster. But I'm a person that wants to see the best in everyone. My heart goes out to these people. I will not beat them down.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #112 September 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteAre we a society that is controlled only by the force of law? Yes. but it is not just us. Humans are animals. Smart animals, some moral, some not. Without law to keep the immoral in check, societies very quickly break down into warring gangs. In the aftermath of that huge tsunami, I saw civilians banding together to help recover bodies. Some percentage of New Orleans is showing their fucking ass right now. We, as a society, should be better than that. Luckily, some of the communities in Mississippi are trying to put on a better game face. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglenrider 0 #113 September 2, 2005 I still can't justify looting when the shelter was still viable, which it was after the storm... __________________________________________________ The shelter was "viable"? How do you know that , my freind? Were you there? My understanding is that the Superdome was short on supplies from day 1. Do you have any inventory list which can back your claim that the shelter was "viable" and able to support the 10,000 people there from day 1? Or are you just shooting out your ass? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #114 September 2, 2005 From CNN..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #115 September 2, 2005 I wonder if some of the looters were from the Convention Center. QuoteFederal Emergency Management Director Michael Brown told CNN that federal officials were unaware of the crowds at the convention center until Thursday, despite the fact that city officials had been telling people for days to gather there. "We just learned about that today, and so I have directed that we have all available resources to get to that convention center to make sure that they have the food and water, the medical care that they need," he said. If they had no supplies there, it would make sense that they would go out and look for supplies. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.impact/May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
