This is so senseless.........

[markd_nscr986 0]

Why??????

www.denverchannel.com/news/4896158/detail.html

Any suggestions on what should happen to the accused?

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[Mike111 0]

Should be imprisoned.

If he can harm a defencless cat, implying he has no shame or care, then he easily could do it to a human

[billvon 3,132]

>If he can harm a defencless cat, implying he has no shame or
>care, then he easily could do it to a human

Nonsense. I've killed defenseless chickens and eaten them. A great many hunters here kill defenseless deer. Animal shelter workers kill defenseless cats and dogs all the time just because no one wants them. Should any of the above people be in jail?

The only thing this guy is guilty of is not acting humanely towards the cat, which should be dealt with by whatever penalty that entails. (A fine would seem fair.) Had he just decapitated the cat cleanly, then even that wouldn't apply - it makes little difference if he does it or if a shelter does it.

[skydivermom 0]

What a cowardly thing to do! Take the cat to the animal shelter if you don't want to deal with it. At least if they have to end it's life they will do it humanely (as was mentioned in a previous post).

As for what should happen to the accussed, I'm not sure. Sometimes it's hard enough to get justice when a child is mistreated!

Mrs. WaltAppel

All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28

[Lindsey 0]

It's not killing the animal that's inhumane (either by cutting off its head, shooting it, or giving it an injection), it's inflicting pain that is inhumane and cruel.

If you're gonna kill the animal, then get on with it.

linz

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>If he can harm a defencless cat, implying he has no shame or
>care, then he easily could do it to a human

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Nonsense. I've killed defenseless chickens and eaten them. A great many hunters here kill defenseless deer. Animal shelter workers kill defenseless cats and dogs all the time just because no one wants them. Should any of the above people be in jail?

The only thing this guy is guilty of is not acting humanely towards the cat, which should be dealt with by whatever penalty that entails. (A fine would seem fair.) Had he just decapitated the cat cleanly, then even that wouldn't apply - it makes little difference if he does it or if a shelter does it.

No Bill. The difference is you didn't torture the chickens. If you had said "I had pleasurable sex with the chicken as I slowly ripped out its feathers and carefully slit its throat and tasted it's blood as I orgasmed", then we'd call you sick.

This guy looned out on a defenseless cat who had just had a litter of kittens because it felt threatened by another cat his GF had brought home and scratched the GF. Who do you suppose called the Police, and why? Would you let a guy like this babysit your children?

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[billvon 3,132]

>No Bill. The difference is you didn't torture the chickens.

Well, not on purpose. It was a pretty dull knife.

>If you had
> said "I had pleasurable sex with the chicken as I slowly ripped out
> its feathers and carefully slit its throat and tasted it's blood as I
> orgasmed", then we'd call you sick.

Is that what this guy did? Or did he just do a poor job of trying to kill a cat?

>This guy looned out on a defenseless cat who had just had a litter of
> kittens because it felt threatened by another cat his GF had brought
> home and scratched the GF. Who do you suppose called the Police,
> and why?

It could be someone terrified of his aberrant psychotic behavior, or someone pissed off because he hurt their cat.

>Would you let a guy like this babysit your children?

Would you want your babysitter to let a dog maul your child, or would you prefer one who went after that dog with a sword? If it was you, how long would you let an animal claw a loved one before you did something about it? I suspect it wouldn't be long.

Once again, I have no problem with someone killing an animal for their own reasons, whether it's because the animal attacked them, or it's no longer wanted, or they want to eat it. I do have a problem with people who are unneccesarily cruel to animals. That was his crime here; he injured an animal and left it in pain.

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Would you want your babysitter to let a dog maul your child, or would you prefer one who went after that dog with a sword? If it was you, how long would you let an animal claw a loved one before you did something about it? I suspect it wouldn't be long.

This wasn't a case of a viscious pitbull attacking some defenseless child and in the process of ripping its' throat out. It was a mother cat protecting her kittens when this moron flipped out. And in a moment of psychotic over-reaction, lunged out with the intent of unloading a lifetime of pent-up anger and feelings of insecurity, on this poor defenseless mother cat and her little kittens.

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Once again, I have no problem with someone killing an animal for their own reasons, whether it's because the animal attacked them, or it's no longer wanted, or they want to eat it. I do have a problem with people who are unneccesarily cruel to animals. That was his crime here; he injured an animal and left it in pain.

So you think killing kittens is OK as long as you do it quickly? And you find further justification if the purpose is to eat them? You didn't ever work in a Chinese restaurant did you?

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So you think killing kittens is OK as long as you do it quickly?

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[Mike111 0]

Well, this is completely irrelevant, and this guy isnn't probably one, but i read that psychos used to torture animals , and then went on to kill humans.

Point being here, if he can get into a rage and do that to a cat, then what is to stop him assualting a human if he gets in a rage - just because he would lose his cool and do that to a cat doesn;t mean he couldn;t do it again in another circumstance.

Course animals are killed, who are defencelss to eat them, but this is completely different.

So i don't call it nonsence , this wasn;t humane there is a difference.

Animal shelters do mercy killings which benefit the animals, not stabbing with a knife because he got angry with it.

Thats not normal, killing mercily or for food is.

Edited to add - you say you dont mind killing the animal if its not wanted, what would you do if you were that animal? Accept being killed because you weren't wanted? Moreover, there are charities which do look after them so killing isnt necessarily the right method .

Animal cruelty is really unnacceptable in my books, because they are defenceless. And by cruelty i do not include mercy killing or for food or testing medicine and drugs on them, even if they might experience pain because they are necessary.

and harsh sentences should be used ( i don't mean life in jail - but community service or very very short sentence in jail - 3 days , i dunno) because it is a barbaric , on a very small scale, crime.

Fine doesn't do shit in most cases unfortunately.

Although it would be fair to say, i didn;t explain myself very clearly previousely - 1 line isn;t a goo dargument!

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So you think killing kittens is OK as long as you do it quickly?

[rehmwa 2]

This particular guy is a nut. If the cat needed to be put down, you need to do it calmly and efficiently because it's the right thing to do. That doesn't include chasing the cat around out of control. Nor killing a cat for a scratch. The guy and the girl that got scratched are pretty ignorant about animals.

However, in general, I completely agree with Billvon's positions on this one. (It happens)

Just because the "humane" society is out of site/out of mind, doesn't mean a person won't do a better job than they would. It's just a sad abrogation of responsibility by owners that can't deal with either raising an animal or killing it themselves. Maybe if we didn't separate ourselves from necessary actions, we wouldn't be so cavalier about it.

You city folk crack me up on some of the things you get worked up about.

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[Mike111 0]

Lol well we city folk like to make things complicated

( i think thats th phrase.)

[tigra 0]

If he (or you) wants to argue that "putting down" your own animal for a valid reason (illness, or because its become dangerous) in a humane manner is OK, that's fine but that's obviously NOT what happened here. This guy chased a tiny cat around his apartment in a psychotic rage with a sword for no good reason. An animal that's just given birth is bound to act unpredictably if you get too close to her or her young. That doesn't make her a vicious, out of control animal, it makes her a good mother (and the adult who got scratched someone who should have either known better or at least accepted the consequences of her actions.)

And if you look at the pictures, the cat is TINY- probably no more than 5 pounds! The guy looks like he's easily 250. Takes a really tough guy to torture and terrorize a 5 pound cat!

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If he (or you) wants to argue that "putting down" your own animal for a valid reason (illness, or because its become dangerous) in a humane manner is OK, that's fine but that's obviously NOT what happened here. This guy chased a tiny cat around his apartment in a psychotic rage with a sword for no good reason. An animal that's just given birth is bound to act unpredictably if you get too close to her or her young. That doesn't make her a vicious, out of control animal, it makes her a good mother (and the adult who got scratched someone who should have either known better or at least accepted the consequences of her actions.)

And if you look at the pictures, the cat is TINY- probably no more than 5 pounds! The guy looks like he's easily 250. Takes a really tough guy to torture and terrorize a 5 pound cat!

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Damn Straight. This guy obviously has anger problems and apparently uses killing kittens as a release for pent up frustrations.

[skycat 0]

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Lol well we city folk like to make things complicated

( i think thats th phrase.)

I wasn't raised as city folk and have helped butcher chickens and cows, but one thing you never do is kill the mother cow or pig while there are still babies that need care and feeding. You need those babies to grow up strong so they can be next years parents and food. Trust me hand raising a calf/foal/piglett when the mom rejected it is a HUGE pain in the ass.

Plus, what kind of person can't take a scratch by a small animal. My worst scratches were from chickens when trying to take their eggs, of course killing off that chicken would have ment no more eggs.

Fly it like you stole it!

[Mike111 0]

Sure, for food, IMHO and to earn a living it is fully acceptable to kill animals. It is an essential part of ou survival.

But this dude who did this, well seems a bit unbalacned, just my oppinion though.

[rehmwa 2]

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If he (or you) wants to argue that "putting down" your own animal for a valid reason (illness, or because its become dangerous) in a humane manner is OK, that's fine but that's obviously NOT what happened here.

This is exactly my post, so we agree. thanks (I think this case the guy was out of control and there isn't an excuse for doing a sloppy job even when it it warranted.)

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And if you look at the pictures, the cat is TINY- probably no more than 5 pounds! The guy looks like he's easily 250. Takes a really tough guy to torture and terrorize a 5 pound cat!

I don't think relative size matters either way for putting down a pet. It's not about a fair fight when it's justified. And when it's not, it's just an emotional reaction that doesn't feed into the conversation. This is completely off topic and reality.

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[skycat 0]

I agree that something is not right in his head. Just throwing a different spin on it that shows that he shouldn't have even thought about harming this cat because that means their are a bunch of little mouths to feed by hand.

He obviously didn't care about this cat or he would have had her spayed a long time ago which would have stopped the chain of events that we have here in it's tracks.

Chain:
1) Get cat
2) Do not spay cat
3) Cat shacks up with neighborhood Tom
4) Cat has kittens
5) GF finds stray kitten and brings home
6) Cat feels threatened and attacks
7) Guy looses control of his temper
8) Cat is severly injured.

This whole thing could have been stopped at #2.

Fly it like you stole it!

[tigra 0]

Not JUST your opinion. And after a serial killer is caught and identified, stories always seem to come out about how that person was cruel to animals as a child, so you weren't that far off base there either.

At the very least, the guy is a bully who is unable to control his rage. The arguments about butchering animals for food or humanely putting them down seem misplaced in this thread because its so obvious they don't apply. ....sigh.... Probably our esteemed moderator will correct me and tell me exactly how those arguments DO apply.

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Not JUST your opinion. And after a serial killer is caught and identified, stories always seem to come out about how that person was cruel to animals as a child, so you weren't that far off base there either.

At the very least, the guy is a bully who is unable to control his rage. The arguments about butchering animals for food or humanely putting them down seem misplaced in this thread because its so obvious they don't apply. ....sigh.... Probably our esteemed moderator will correct me and tell me exactly how those arguments DO apply.

He might claim the guy was killing the cat with the intention of eating it but was stopped by someone over-reacting and calling the police before he had time to fire up the oven.

[tigra 0]

Smartass!

[Mike111 0]

"spay"? soz.

A person such as him probably not only not cares for the cat or for anyone else, probably excrept from himself.

[billvon 3,132]

>So you think killing kittens is OK as long as you do it quickly?

Yep, if you can't find a home for them. Animal shelter people have to make decisions like this all the time when they can't find homes for them. (Obviously it's better to find homes for them, but that's not always possible.)

>And you find further justification if the purpose is to eat them?

I don't know of anyone who eats kittens, but we kill mammals that are just as 'worthy' as cats by the million to eat them.

[rehmwa 2]

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>Animal shelter people have to make decisions like this all the time when they can't find homes for them. (Obviously it's better to find homes for them, but that's not always possible.)

Again you are dead on Bill. I'm going to digress - it's what I do here.

People give the cat to the "shelter". It sounds, oh so nice and happy and shiny - doesn't it? Maybe if they actually call it a "homeless pet euthanasia center where you have no idea what method they use to kill that puppy" it would put in perspective that they are just making themselves "feel" better by only "indirectly" killing that animal (letting another do it while they go have an expresso somewhere and talk about how enlightened they are and pat themselves on the back about how better they are than other people.

Having the strength to do it yourself, when necessary, and ensuring it's as painless as you can make it - is a positive trait and I'm amazed at the outrage here against BIll's simple statements about pet ownership. Having the strength to save and raise that animal is also positive and likely more consistent with the person that would do the 'necessary' deed more than the ones who'd hide from the responsibility.

Ditching the responsibility just treats killing off unwanted pets an another service industry for those that can't stomache the responsibility of total pet ownership.

If anyone needs an emotional equivalent (some can't seem to understand the point without it here) - putting down your own pet is like taking the terminally sick pet to the vet and having the doctor kill it, and watching it - for humane reasons. It has nothing to do with chasing a kitten in a blind rage with a sword and trying to stick it - that has nothing to do with putting down a pet, it has to do with anger management for an asshat. People should stop relating the two as equivalent.

example - your beloved dog has a stroke, she's drooling and wandering into traffic. How is it less humane to put a quick bullet in her head rather than DUMP the dog on the shelter or vet to be killed in some unknown way. The boy that pulls that trigger will feel horrible but in the right - and will understand the meaning of life and death better - he won't become that asshat with the sword, or the serial killer. It would be more likely the one that was taught death is convenient and someone else can do it for you who will not respect life as much.

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