billvon 3,111 #126 August 26, 2005 >Because the Bush Admin. doesn't have the guts to do what needs to be done . . . Like what? >because of all the political backlash he'd get from the Left. The right wing is firmly in control of both the legislature and the administration. Funny that you think anyone might believe that what's happening now is the fault of the minority party. >It's going to take another 9/11 before Americans give him the political capital to act. I think another 9/11 will indicate how miserably he has failed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #127 August 27, 2005 Public Opinion Shocker! America Blames Sheehan for Rising Gas Prices TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #128 August 28, 2005 Is that girl still sleeping in a ditch? Its time to move on to more important matters. Like my 401k investments, and Roth IRA. Been a very good year so far making the money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #129 August 28, 2005 QuoteIs that girl still sleeping in a ditch? Its time to move on to more important matters. Like my 401k investments, and Roth IRA. Been a very good year so far making the money. Yep, you would also think people would be concerned about Greenspans predictions that the housing market is getting ready to collapse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #130 August 28, 2005 > Is that girl still sleeping in a ditch? Its time to move on to more important matters. I agree - but the right wing will never let this go. She's too good of a windmill to tilt at. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #131 August 28, 2005 Quote> Is that girl still sleeping in a ditch? Its time to move on to more important matters. I agree - but the right wing will never let this go. She's too good of a windmill to tilt at. What a perposterous statement. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/27/crawford.rallies/index.html http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/13/politics/13crawford.html?ex=1139716800&en=1c3f401870d84802&ei=5087&excamp=GGGNsheehan http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/04/10/int04050.html http://www.gsfp.org/ http://www.meetwithcindy.org/ http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/08/19/antiwar/index_np.html http://www.moveon.org/ Go ahead and Google it Bill. Tell us how many stories come up from "Right Wing" sources in the first 10 pages as opposed to Lefty sites. The Lefties, should be ashamed at encouraging this woman who is obviously very grief-stricken. Anybody who has ever suffered a tragedy of a close loved one will tell you it takes almost a year before it really sinks in. I find it utterly disgusting that the Left would "USE" this woman this way and then to try and blame it on the right is dispicable!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #132 August 28, 2005 >What a perposterous statement. Take a look at any of the conservative blogs. Cindy Sheehan, front and center. Take a look right here on DZ.com and note who brought up the subject. And what's the big news today out of Crawford? Right wing protesters fighting and getting arrested. They're doing a great job of keeping Sheehan's name (or, as they call her, 'bitch in a ditch') in the news. As are you, I might add - at least here on DZ.com. All those links will keep people here reading about her, while you lament how people keep reading about her. I am reminded of a variant of the Chewbacca Defense: "I can't believe all these people are talking about Cindy Sheehan. There! Right there! Did you see that? The words 'Cindy Sheehan' have been posted again. Again! Right there! I can't believe everyone is talking about Sheehan. Now three times! Look at that! One paragraph and Cindy's name got mentioned three times. Now it's four! It's clearly the liberal media trying to keep her name in the news. What irresponsible journalism. Why don't they mention that other guy who supports the war? I don't see his name anywhere in my post, but I've seen Sheehan's name four times in my own post. Now five! Disgusting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #133 August 28, 2005 I agree it's occuring on both sides and I find it disgusting that anyone would use the grief this woman is going thru for political purposes. The Left is undeniably using her grief to attack the President and the War. I will say it again "It is perposterous for you to blame the right". To justify what the Left is doing by claiming the right is doing it too is just plain wrong, wrong, wrong....... And I hardly think a couple of mentions of her name on this site could be construed as encouraging this woman. Especially when you see it night after night on the news and now, she has a commercial going on TV thanks to the Left. Dispicable. I hope a few of you people who think this isn't a big deal will do some research about the stages of grief to help you understand that this woman is in the Anger and Denial Stage. For groups like Moveon.Org and others to exploit the grief this woman is going thru is about as low you can go. Shame.. shame.. shame.. on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #134 August 28, 2005 She's doing nothing more than using her son's death as a means to further her political agenda. It's sickening. If my mom did that, I'd hope somewhat would knock some sense into her...luckily my mom has respect for me and what I do. But as far as what to do...ignore her. The only reason she's being such a pain in the ass is because the media (both sides) is empowering her to do so. Everyone stop paying attention and she'll fade away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #135 August 29, 2005 >Everyone stop paying attention and she'll fade away. So it is written, so shall it be done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #136 August 29, 2005 So shall what be done? Who we're we talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #137 August 29, 2005 We were talking about my 401k, Roth IRA investments. Some people want to change the world, I just want to change the returns im getting on my investment accounts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #138 August 29, 2005 Just my take on why this went up in the first place. I'm sure I'm setting myself up for a pummeling here, but I'm calling it as I see it: the right wing needs to spew venom at someone or some meaningless issue that arouses fear/anger/hate in people. As I said from the start, *Cindy Sheehan is a non-issue*. I don't even know much about her because I don't watch tv news. I read instead, and the news sources I read from make little mention of her, because in reality, she means nothing. The left has nothing to gain from using her as someone to promote their agenda. She's a headcase, that much I do know. If they are using her as a mouthpiece, which I really do not think they are, they're shooting themselves in the foot as is often the case. This is what the right wing does. Gay marriage is a great example -- it does not affect your everyday life, but it becomes an issue because it arouses fear/hate/anger in a good part of the population. So it becomes a distraction from the real issues, like the quagmire in Iraq, the economy, real threats to global security like North Korea's and Iran's nuclear ambitions, etc. Flag burning is another one. Will making an amendment to protect the flag save our troops in Iraq? Symbolically it's a hideous act that angers me. But it has no effect on my daily life. And honestly, how often is it really done. It's not a pervasive, everyday problem. Yet it's been an issue for some time. The French... post # 75 in this thread -- QuoteI don't have as much of a voice as I would like either because the undereducated electorate in my district cast their votes based on race ...blame racial minorities, even when, clearly in your state, Republicans rule. Again I point out to you that when you're in the solid, ruling majority, your excuses are *weak* when you blame the minority. Especially when in your state all your worries are being catered to by gerrymandering. Be men, take responsibility. 100% pure garbage like this An extreme example: Falwell's teletubbies and Barney. If you think this threatens your child's sexuality in the future, something's wrong with you. The thing that's wrong is you have a fear/hate/anger problem and you're looking for a vent. Thus, right-wing spew. Fact is, we hetero's will always be the ruling majority in the human race and gays will never come invade your home or corrupt your family. So find something else to be afraid of, someone else to bash. Here's one: how about Kenneth Lay? A pig of greatest proportions. Yet nothing has been done, very, very little discussion in the media. Leaving him alone because he's down with GOP? After Cindy Sheehan crawls back into her hole, the right wing will find some other topic for the Two Minutes Hate. It's not about progress and tackling real issues to bridge gaps, find common ground and improve our lives as Americans. It's about bashing, not tolerating other points of view/walks of life, and making very weak excuses for a completely incompetent administration, blaming the minority that exercises its right to disagree. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #139 August 29, 2005 Uh, huh..Right. It's all a Right-wing plot. They created Cindy Sheehan. They gave her a voice, convinced her to go to Crawford and then bribed the guy down the road to let her set up her encampment. Then they called all the TV and radio stations (which they control, of course) and got them to go down to Tx and start broadcasting. In the meantime, Moveon.Org (which is really a right-wing supported organization which was set up to spew hate so the Republican could make the Left look bad...more on this later) and it's surrogate leader, Howard Dean (who is actually John Ashcroft in disguise) conviced protesters to flood into Crawford, TX. who by the way are the same protesters the Right-wing got to protest the WTO. All the major Networks are in on it because they too have all carried voluminous stories on her plight because they are all owned by rich Republicans. Yep, I'm convinced. It's all a Grand Right-Wing Conspiracy. It's just another example of "The Man" keeping the little guy down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #140 August 29, 2005 First - no kidding about using distractin and emotion to sway the populace. 2nd - Wow - all those topics are used/abused by both political parties. Yet your blind partisanship won't admit it. Politics looks for the swing votes - unfortunately, those that don't have an educated position one way or the other are lazy and looking for an easy way to choose how to use their votes - that would be the uninformed and the emotion addicts. Isn't that why ALL politicians structure their rhetoric to sway the 'masses'? This is what the democrat and republican political machines are structured to do. Find me someone blindly partisan to these emotive arguments, and you've found a member of those "masses" that politicians love so much. They can't see the issues through the us vs them rhetoric. Find me someone who sees it in only one party and doesn't see it in the other and you've found a fish who swallowed the whole tall tale - hook, line and sinker. They are even more clueless than the 'masses' and a possible breeding ground for violent activism/extremism. Be cautious, it's no less foolish to be fooled by only one party than to be fooled by both. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #141 August 29, 2005 Quotepost # 75 in this thread -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't have as much of a voice as I would like either because the undereducated electorate in my district cast their votes based on race -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...blame racial minorities, even when, clearly in your state, Republicans rule. Again I point out to you that when you're in the solid, ruling majority, your excuses are *weak* when you blame the minority. Especially when in your state all your worries are being catered to by gerrymandering. Be men, take responsibility. Man, talk about taking a quote out of context... since I was the person whom you quoted, I know that that statement was in relation to the government spending money they way I would prefer, and that -my voice- in particular is not heard... it really had nothing to do with Sheehan... As for you thoughts on redisticting, it will have little, if any, affect on me... I will likely be stuck with my same POS congressperson. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #142 August 29, 2005 QuoteQuotepost # 75 in this thread -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't have as much of a voice as I would like either because the undereducated electorate in my district cast their votes based on race -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...blame racial minorities, even when, clearly in your state, Republicans rule. Again I point out to you that when you're in the solid, ruling majority, your excuses are *weak* when you blame the minority. Especially when in your state all your worries are being catered to by gerrymandering. Be men, take responsibility. Man, talk about taking a quote out of context... since I was the person whom you quoted, I know that that statement was in relation to the government spending money they way I would prefer, and that -my voice- in particular is not heard... it really had nothing to do with Sheehan... As for you thoughts on redisticting, it will have little, if any, affect on me... I will likely be stuck with my same POS congressperson. J Didn't you know ALL Republicans are Racist Homophobes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #143 August 29, 2005 >Didn't you know All Republicans are Racist Homophobes? Does that make all Dems Racist Christianphobes, sorry that might be a hijack...who were we talking about??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #144 August 29, 2005 Quote>Didn't you know All Republicans are Racist Homophobes? Does that make all Dems Racist Christianphobes, sorry that might be a hijack...who were we talking about??? We were talking about waffles. Waffles and syrup. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #145 August 29, 2005 Quotethat statement was in relation to the government spending money they way I would prefer, and that -my voice- in particular is not heard... it really had nothing to do with Sheehan I know your quote had nothing to do with the Sheehan non-issue. I quoted you in the general context of how republicans have a habit of blaming the minority. You did it right there. Fact is, your party is represented very well in our current government, and even if you have a democratic POS rep, you still have a republican congress. In the big picture, minority votes didn't botch this war; this republican administration's policies did and it's the majority in congress that decides how to allocate funds for the war. Yet you invoke minority votes into the discussion where they don't hold much value. You're pointing a finger. QuoteDidn't you know All Republicans are Racist Homophobes? Yeah, just like all democrats are gay terrorist-loving pinko communist hippies. Whether some republicans are homophobes or racist is their right and their personal business; it becomes a problem when they want to infringe on other Americans' rights. Sadly there are some prominent role models in your party that give people the idea -- like David Duke and Jerry Falwell for starters. They cater to the fear of rural whites who have a problem with people who don't even live near them or influence their lives in any way -- fear of gays, immigrants, racial/ethnic minorities. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #146 August 29, 2005 Quoterepublicans have a habit of blaming the minority. You did it right there. Fact is, your party is represented very well in our current government, and even if you have a democratic POS rep, you still have a republican congress. How did I blame a minority? All I said is my rep. is a POS who was elected based on race not ability. How do you know what race that is, or if it is a minority in this state? I could care less if my rep. is black, white, asian, hispanic, or purple, so long as they have the constituency's interests, not their own, at the forefront of their agenda, and that they have the ability to articulate and advocate for those interests... My current rep. can't even form complete sentences using proper english (ignoring any accents) Moreover, you are assuming I am a republican... You are attributing more to my statement that is there... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #147 August 30, 2005 > For groups like Moveon.Org and others to exploit the grief this > woman is going thru is about as low you can go. Shame.. shame.. > shame.. on you I assume you have the same sort of disgust for anyone who would use the family of a soldier in such a shameful manner. ------------------------ "There are few things more difficult in life than seeing a loved one go off to war, and here in Idaho, a mom named Tammy Pruitt…knows that feeling six times over. Tammy has four sons serving in Iraq right now with the Idaho National Guard — Eric, Evan, Greg, and Jeff. Last year, her husband Leon and another son Aaron returned from Iraq where they helped train Iraqi firefighters in Mosul. Tammy says this — and I want you to hear this — “I know that if something happens to one of the boys, they would leave this world doing what they believe, what they think is right for our country. And I guess you couldn’t ask for a better way of life than giving it for something you believe in.” " ------------------------ You're right, it is about as low as you can go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #148 August 30, 2005 Quote> For groups like Moveon.Org and others to exploit the grief this > woman is going thru is about as low you can go. Shame.. shame.. > shame.. on you ------------------------ "There are few things more difficult in life than seeing a loved one go off to war, and here in Idaho, a mom named Tammy Pruitt…knows that feeling six times over. Tammy has four sons serving in Iraq right now with the Idaho National Guard — Eric, Evan, Greg, and Jeff. Last year, her husband Leon and another son Aaron returned from Iraq where they helped train Iraqi firefighters in Mosul. Tammy says this — and I want you to hear this — “I know that if something happens to one of the boys, they would leave this world doing what they believe, what they think is right for our country. And I guess you couldn’t ask for a better way of life than giving it for something you believe in.” " ------------------------ Looks like both sides are just as happy to use the (potential) deaths of children to make political hay. See? Now Bush has his own family to use for political purposes! Can't wait to see the defense on this one. "No, Bill, that's completely different - you see, that's Bush." Get real.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #149 August 30, 2005 >Get real.............. About what I figured. Cindy Sheehan is not fit to speak for her dead son, but Bush is perfectly capable of speaking for a family he doesn't know - as long as he can get some benefit at the polls by using her sons to score points. Check. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #150 August 30, 2005 Quote>Get real.............. About what I figured. Cindy Sheehan is not fit to speak for her dead son, but Bush is perfectly capable of speaking for a family he doesn't know - as long as he can get some benefit at the polls by using her sons to score points. Check. Yeah, right. Good thinking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
