$300,000 to each Jewish Settler removed from Gaza.

[rhino 0]

Wonder why they don't say that on the news.

[Gravitymaster 0]

They do.
http://www.nytimes.com/cfr/international/slot2_080805.html

It's on MSNBC too, I'm just to lazy to paste the link.

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It's been stated repeatedly. I believe it's between $250K and $500K per family, with the amount dependent upon how long they lived in the settlement, how large their home was, and a couple of other variables.

Lot's o' cash, but I don't think I'd be happy with that were I evicted from my home of 10 + years.

Not sure about this whole eviction thing. I do not thing it will bring about peace.

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[wmw999 2,589]

Maybe so, but not nearly as often as the references to the piddly $25,000 paid to the surviving families of some terrorists. Not that the $25000 is right, or even that the $300,000 is wrong.

Sounds like a pretty good incentive to go inhabit Gaza. I wonder how much they paid to dispossessed Palestinians? There's those dispossed by the wall, those whose houses were bombed because they lived close to someone else who was bombed, etc. Those who were dispossessed because they can no longer get to their jobs. I guess it just sucks to be them.

Having been in a condemned house (next to a previously-undocumented toxic waste site), I can sympathize to some degree. But sometimes you just have to move on.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I like the way Rob Cordry put it about the Gaza strip:

"Its like someone gave the land to God as a gift. God looked at it...and regifted it to someone else. Its the salad shooter of Holy Lands."

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[mr2mk1g 10]

I wonder what property prices in Israel are. They have a desperate need for land because of a high population density... it is quite possible that the $300,000 is far from as good a payout as it might sound to you Americans.

I know it wouldn't buy you a can in which to shit in many places in the UK... its about the average price for a first home buyer property (outside of London of course). I thought land was in even shorter supply in Israel.

[Gravitymaster 0]

The Liberal members of the Supreme Court just voted to allow the Govt. to seize land in this country for commercial puposes. I'm sure the Govt. also gets to decide what fair market value is.
As an aside, I wonder how long this law would last if the govt. seized Ted Kennedy's home or the home of one of the Liberal Supreme Court Justices who thought this was a good idea?

[Michele 1]

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it is quite possible that the $300,000 is far from as good a payout as it might sound to you Americans.

Seems you might be right....

http://www.tefah.com/MyPages/SelectMoreProperties.asp?city=Jerusalem&choice=Sale&idcity=1&selectneigh=

Land is in short supply, and to leave a home, and resettle in an area, can be expensive.

I don't see $300,000 to be anything other than replacing an existing home, paying off the previous loan, and moving costs. And in some cases, it isn't even close to what the land was worth. It certainly isn't a payoff.

We have the same system here in the US; if the US government takes away a piece of property here, fair market value is paid to the existing owner.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[wmw999 2,589]

Not to you in particular Michele (it's the last post in the thread), but I'm still wondering if Palestinians who have been disposessed are eligible for the same type of compensation? For instance, if their house was incompatible with the wall?

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Michele 1]

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I'm still wondering if Palestinians who have been disposessed are eligible for the same type of compensation?

Dunno....but one could think that "free land" (i.e. the Gaza Strip) might be recompense...

I think that the Israeli government is paying the $300K....so shouldn't the Palestinian government pay the repatriation?

I really don't know the answer.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[Darius11 12]

Lot's o' cash, but I don't think I'd be happy with that were I evicted from my home of 10 + years.

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Lets see they are getting evicted from homes that were built on Palestinian land and are getting paid money for compensation.

Meanwhile the Palestinians lost every thing and their condensation was they would get killed and thrown out.

I wonder why no one ever feels bad for the Palestinians they have been kicked out of their homes for 50+ years.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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[Darius11 12]

Not directed to Wendy but to everyone who is feeling sorry for the Israelis.

The Israeli government does not care about the Palestinians and the Israelis treat the Palestinians like shit. I laugh my ass off at how much are media is pro Israeli. They show the poor Israeli kids crying that they are losing there homes, they forget to mention there homes are built on Palestinian land that was taken by force and manipulation. I am glad they have to move they built there homes on Palestinian flesh and blood, and treated the Palestinian people like a 2nd class citizens in there own home (thanks to our support).

Sorry but I feel nothing when I see the BS sob stories on TV all I can think about is how many people have died and how many children have been sacrificed so the Israelis can steel land.



Don't let the Media mind fuck you

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Lets see they are getting evicted from homes that were built on Palestinian land

yes , lets see. there was nothing there before. only sand.
oh sorry, there was one one settlement there that got destroyed by the egyptians when they've invaded at 1948.
for the millionth time, there was never "palestinian land". if anything, it was egyptian and they refused to take it back when the peace treaty was signed.
i do support pulling out of Gaza because its not logical to be there and its a smart strategic choice to get out of there. the PA has done nothing in recent years to deserve this action as part of the peace process and although hamas and other peaceful groups see it as a victory for their terroristic way i really hope the PA will take this opportunity to show it can take care of its own people. lets hope the billions of dollars currently going to gaza will finally find its way into the palestinian people (who do suffer from the situation) and not to the corrupted PA officials.

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I wonder why no one ever feels bad for the Palestinians they have been kicked out of their homes for 50+ years.

i do feel bad for them. just like i feel bad for my family who was kicked out of Hebron in the riots of 1936 and for the hundreds of thousands of Jewish arabs (including from your beloved Iran) that were kicked out from their homes and forced to move to israel with nothing but the clothes they were wearing.
the main difference is that Israel took care of its refugees where the arab world (who is always happy to point a finger at israel) didn't really do anything to help them (excluding the $25K if you blow up a bus)

O

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[kelpdiver 2]

Darius - I think you need to reconcile your statements in some manner with the fact that these added lands came as a result of numerous invasions by Israel's neighbors. You attack with the intent of extermination and lose, you can expect to suffer a price.

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Darius - I think you need to reconcile your statements in some manner with the fact that these added lands came as a result of numerous invasions by Israel's neighbors. You attack with the intent of extermination and lose, you can expect to suffer a price.

I kind of agree. On the one hand I think the spoils of war go to the victor. On the other I think it's a nice gesture of goodwill by the Israeli's. Overall, I don't really feel strongly either way and am curious how it will all pan out.

Blues,
Dave

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(drink Mountain Dew)

[juanesky 0]

Kudos for Israel my friend. It is interesting how many take the view that it is all Israel's fault as well as the US whenever they have a chance.

This particular poster has never been outraged about the rape and suffering provided by arabs to arabs. For many history is an irrelevant fact....

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[Darius11 12]

You seem to forget there was no such thing as Israel 51-52 years ago(sorry I have forgotten the date).

So how did it come about?
Did the Palestinians attack the European refugees and bring them to their land to kill?

I know if you come to my home and try to take it over I will do my best to make sure you do not succeed. Now if your big brother gives you a bigger gun then mine and helps you out and I get fucked out of my house does it make you right. Not to mention after you have taken my house you choose to come in and fuck with me whenever you want, kill whom ever you choose.

Sorry but the Palestinians didn’t start this war they got fucked and are still getting fucked by the Israelis, the Israelis have just decided to pull out of one orifice.

I just find it hard to be symptomatic to a nation who has been destroying and taking homes and lives for
over 50 years.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

You can say my name don't be afraid


Didn't you just tell someone in another thread not to comment on an issue about Venezuela because he was not from Venezuela, and you are Venezuela born?

It would be nice if you practiced what you preach.


Falxori and I have had many discussions I respect his opinion and point of view.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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$300,000 to each Jewish Settler removed from Gaza.
Wonder why they don't say that on the news.

You know who is paying for most of it, right?


THAT'S RIGHT, the U.S. taxpayer.

[Darius11 12]

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$300,000 to each Jewish Settler removed from Gaza.
Wonder why they don't say that on the news.

You know who is paying for most of it, right?


THAT'S RIGHT, the U.S. taxpayer.

I am not sure if you are correct or not, but if you are correct it wouldn’t surprise me at all.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[juanesky 0]

Me afraid? Oh man. You still refuse to answer his question about what history has taught us. You are ok that as long as is an arab raping, abusing other arabs, it is all cool beans isn't it?

As far as I'm concerned, you have never been in Israel, hell you are not even supposed to be arab aren't you?

Unlike dekker, I don't need to google my responses, as I have read, participated in forums, been in Israel and seen it firsthand. There are a lot of things fucked up there, but never it is mention as to how arabs messed with palestinians, not even you care to give an honest answer for that one.

Until you decide to acknowledge or at least reflect that you have some facts straight, based in history and not in ethnicity, I will keep on wondering how "open" you are about the whole situation. Worldwide. Seems your dad has a pretty good idea though.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Unlike dekker, I don't need to google my responses,

You should try it, maybe you will start making more sense.

[Darius11 12]

Seems your dad has a pretty good idea though.

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Him and almost most Iranians disagree with me.

The facts that matters to me is who is fucking with the Palestinians? Who has been fucking with them and destroying their lives for the past 50 years? It has nothing to do with religion there is plenty of Palestinians who are Christian also. It has to do with humane rights.

After there basic human rights has been ignored by most of the west for decades. I find it very hard to feel sorry for a few Israelis who are asked by they’re own government to get the fuck out, who are also compensated.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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[christelsabine 1]

Unlike dekker, I don't need to google my responses, as I have read, participated in forums, been in Israel and seen it firsthand. There are a lot of things fucked up there, but never it is mention as to how arabs messed with palestinians, not even you care to give an honest answer for that one.
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[kelpdiver 2]

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You seem to forget there was no such thing as Israel 51-52 years ago(sorry I have forgotten the date).

So how did it come about?
Did the Palestinians attack the European refugees and bring them to their land to kill?

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Sorry but the Palestinians didn’t start this war they got fucked and are still getting fucked by the Israelis, the Israelis have just decided to pull out of one orifice.

So it seems we need to start by distinguishing Palestinians from other Arabs.

yeah, in 1948 the Palestinians got fucked. They were ousted by US/Europeans. The Jews that benefitted from this were immediately invaded by 5 Arab nations for this. On top of the 6 million they had just lost. And until Israel made clear it had the nuke and would use it, it was frequently attacked by these neighbors.

So why is Israel the only bad guy here? Shouldn't Egypt take some blame for the pain the Palestinians suffered? Shouldn't Syria? Their actions lead to the annexation of even more territory. Hell, maybe the Palestinians should take some blame too for following Arafat and refusing to find a middle ground. Israel may often act as a heavy handed thug, but consider the situation they're faced with.