Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson suggested on-air that American operatives assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez

[billvon 3,120]

> I asked how they would back it up Biblically. I don't know. Do you?

I don't know. There are plenty of references he could use. There are dozens of laws in the Old Testament alone that call for the death penalty, and it's easy to break them (work on the Sabbath for example.) I know you don't consider them valid, but others might.

[Casurf1978 0]

You really cant compare Urban II to Pat though.
What strikes me most about his idiotic statement is that in a time when we and other nations are asking Muslims to monitor and denounce violence a moron like Pat advocates assassination on TV. Someone should walk up to him, bitch slap him and tell him to sit down and STFU.

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I don't know much about this Chavez guy so I will reserve comments on him. But Pat Robertson is a nut case and hopefully comments like this ("feminism encourages women to kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians" ) will expose him as such.

Yes but his ideas on foreign policy agree with what the Liberals wanted to do with Saddam instead of invading Iraq.

Hmm...I must be aquainted with different liberals than you are. Most of those that I know, probably all, would have preferred that we neither assassinated Saddam nor invaded Iraq. It was never an either or situation....

For some reason the expression, "Can't see the forest for the trees" keeps popping into my mind.

edited to add: "Heavens, I didn't realize how much of this thread I had NOT read before I posted my little comment. I think I'll go back to reading the funnies now...."

Peace~
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[billvon 3,120]

>You really cant compare Urban II to Pat though.

Oh, I'm not. Many people have misused their position of religious power throughout the years; that's the first example that came to mind.

>Someone should walk up to him, bitch slap him and tell him to sit
>down and STFU.

Indeed. Unfortunately, he is something of a power unto himself. I think he's divorced enough from reality that he gets no feedback on some of the more brain-dead things he says.

And to think this guy tried to run for president once . . .

[Casurf1978 0]

On second thought Pat would feel right at home around 1088 AD.

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Many people have misused their position of religious power throughout the years;

Very true. On a much better note did you have a chance to read the Pope's address to Muslims leaders this last Sat while in Germany.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050820/ts_nm/pope_germany_dc

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I don't know. There are plenty of references he could use. There are dozens of laws in the Old Testament alone that call for the death penalty, and it's easy to break them (work on the Sabbath for example.) I know you don't consider them valid, but others might.

If kept in context, I doubt you can come up with one, even from the Old Testament, which supports a Christian position of advocating the assassination of a government leader. Pssst.... I'm saying that I think Pat was wrong on this one. I think I'm on your side for a change.

[Botellines 0]

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I'm pretty sure that soon enough I will be sending your regards to one of your relatives.

Hey, you may even end up giving his regards to your relatives in Venezuela.

[Frenchy68 0]

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I'm pretty sure that soon enough I will be sending your regards to one of your relatives.

Hey, you may even end up giving his regards to your relatives in Venezuela.

How about me. I'm a wetback too. Can I play?

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[Gravitymaster 0]

The French don't count. Don't you have a croissant to eat of something?

[Frenchy68 0]

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The French don't count. Don't you have a croissant to eat of something?

Rats! I guess I'll return to my Lance Armstrong Feces analysis project.

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[Botellines 0]

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I'm pretty sure that soon enough I will be sending your regards to one of your relatives.

Hey, you may even end up giving his regards to your relatives in Venezuela.

How about me. I'm a wetback too. Can I play?

Well, France is not in the U.S axis of evil list, just yet. However, if you guys push over the road another truck of spanish strawberries on the french frontier, i will be giving my regards to your relatives.

[Skyrad 0]

'Take out'???? What a light dinner and a spot of dancing followed by a nightcap? Sounds OK to me.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[quade 4]

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>Yes but his ideas on foreign policy agree with what the Liberals
>wanted to do with Saddam instead of invading Iraq.

I'm a liberal and I didn't want to assassinate him. Which ones are you talking about?

He's probably talking about me.

I still think it's a good idea and I agree with Robertson in this case as well.

Does it sound "Christian"? No. Certainly not if you think the person is an innocent leader of a sovereign country. However, if you look at what the person has done versus how much blood and treasure an invasion is going to cost I think it -does- make quite a bit of sense.

After two years, >1800 American lives, countless thousands of Iraqi lives and HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars can you really say that Iraq is in a better position today than if we had assassinated Saddam?

Would -somebody- please explain to me who has the moral high-ground on this?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[tso-d_chris 0]

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After two years, >1800 American lives, countless thousands of Iraqi lives and HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars can you really say that Iraq is in a better position today than if we had assassinated Saddam?

Would -somebody- please explain to me who has the moral high-ground on this?

An assasination would not likely have improved things much. Saddam left power not too long after the invasion. An assasination would have changed little that has happened after that.

Anytime a leader is removed from power, by assasination or other means, a power vacuum is created. Someone is going to fill this vacuum. If the replacement is unknown or not anticipated to be an improvement over the current leader, the removal is probably not a good idea, and is likely to cause many problems.

Bush Sr. understood this, and wisely left Saddam in power. It had nothing to do with approving of his governmental policies, and everything to do with not having a superior alternative to immediately offer.

[mr2mk1g 10]

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Would -somebody- please explain to me who has the moral high-ground on this?

The French.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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After two years, >1800 American lives, countless thousands of Iraqi lives and HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars can you really say that Iraq is in a better position today than if we had assassinated Saddam?

Would -somebody- please explain to me who has the moral high-ground on this?

An assasination would not likely have improved things much. Saddam left power not too long after the invasion. An assasination would have changed little that has happened after that.

Anytime a leader is removed from power, by assasination or other means, a power vacuum is created. Someone is going to fill this vacuum. If the replacement is unknown or not anticipated to be an improvement over the current leader, the removal is probably not a good idea, and is likely to cause many problems.

Bush Sr. understood this, and wisely left Saddam in power. It had nothing to do with approving of his governmental policies, and everything to do with not having a superior alternative to immediately offer.

I think what Quade is referring to is that given a choice of taking out a countrys leader by either invasion or assassination, he favors assassination. I happen to agree with Quade on this issue, but only if the threat has escalated to a choice of either/or and obviously only if we are prepared to support a new leader whos' ideology presents no future threat.

Edited to add: I don't agree with Robertson that Chavez has reached sufficient threat level to warrant any action at this time, but I do hope we continue to keep a very watchful eye on him. Some of the reports out of S.A. regarding Chavez, Castro, MS13 and A.Q. bear closely watching.

[billvon 3,120]

Update - during an interview with a former Venezuelan ambassador, Robertson said:

"Wait a minute, I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should, quote, "take him out," and "take him out" can be a number of things including kidnapping. There are a number of ways to take out a dictator from power besides killing him. I was misinterpreted by the AP, but that happens all the time."

So that's what happened! The lying, christian-hating, liberal press just misinterpreted his words, which were:

"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don't think any oil shipments will stop. But this man is a terrific danger and the United ... This is in our sphere of influence, so we can't let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine, we have other doctrines that we have announced. And without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

Amazing that they could take him so out of context as to actually suggest he meant assassinate.

[Channman 2]

Well, sometimes people don't know when to keep their month shut. It seems now that the only time Pat opens his mouth is to change feet.

[juanesky 0]

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Nice try at insulting me, but hey no problem, I'm pretty sure that soon enough I will be sending your regards to one of your relatives.

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Make sure it is at least a multi-cell organism

Yep, they won't be, more likely they will be camel riders I'll be aiming at soon....

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Cause I'll be in the middle east for a while....

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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Edited to add:

Cause I'll be in the middle east for a while....

[billvon 3,120]

>I'm pretty sure that soon enough I will be sending your regards to one of your relatives.

Your one warning.

[Botellines 0]

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Yep, they won't be, more likely they will be camel riders I'll be aiming at soon....

Edited to add:

Cause I'll be in the middle east for a while....

Hey, that is a very expensive green card you are buying yourself, Congratulations.

Make sure before you get trigger-happy that you are indeed in Iraq and not in Venezuela.

[Frenchy68 0]

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Make sure before you get trigger-happy that you are indeed in Iraq and not in Venezuela.

Why would a former Dodgers pitcher be involved in Iraq? Very confusing...

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[Michele 1]

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Why would a former Dodgers pitcher be involved in Iraq? Very confusing...

Not at all, when you consider that apparently, the US is importing it's national past time...thus making the middle east safe for little league and what not.



Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[IanHarrop 43]

A different perspective on Robertson's words:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/GH26Aa01.html

Makes some good points...

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy