This is just sad

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I've visited Zimbabwe and its natural beauty is really hard to describe. This Mugabe fellow is just one royal son of a bitch.

Truly sickening.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

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What Mugabe's doing is immoral and heartless. Allowing people and forcing them to suffer and evict them is terrible when he has all that wealth, and would still be terrible even if he was poor.

there must be some reason why he is left in power and no action is taken against him. It could be the lack of forces to do the job, a political reason, or self interest that would be damaged if anything was done against him, or a restriction imposed on a country like the UK of USA or any other country which prevents them from taking action.

What ever the reason, i have no clue, but there must be some reason, as he does noone any favours or any good by remaining in power.

I hope Mugabe's Health detiorates much quicker than it is at the moment.

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http://www.infomine.com/countries/zimbabwe.asp

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Perhaps a UN Resolution would help. That should get him shakin in his boots.

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Perhaps a UN Resolution would help. That should get him shakin in his boots.

Glass parking lot, I say! That should scare him out of power.

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

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Perhaps a UN Resolution would help. That should get him shakin in his boots.

Glass parking lot, I say! That should scare him out of power.

OK, back to doing nothing. Maybe he will stop if we be really nice and ask politely.

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Perhaps a UN Resolution would help. That should get him shakin in his boots.

Glass parking lot, I say! That should scare him out of power.

OK, back to doing nothing. Maybe he will stop if we be really nice and ask politely.

I do think he is a murdering asshole. But I am not quite sure what to do. Sending troops there would, once again, ensure that he becomes a "hero" and lead to an even worst civil war.
It is a real tragedy, and I think he will end up hanging from a tree. Probably deposed by another Banana Republic Dictator. How do you stop the cycle? If the people is not supporting him, who is?

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

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Perhaps a UN Resolution would help. That should get him shakin in his boots.

Glass parking lot, I say! That should scare him out of power.

OK, back to doing nothing. Maybe he will stop if we be really nice and ask politely.

I do think he is a murdering asshole. But I am not quite sure what to do. Sending troops there would, once again, ensure that he becomes a "hero" and lead to an even worst civil war.
It is a real tragedy, and I think he will end up hanging from a tree. Probably deposed by another Banana Republic Dictator. How do you stop the cycle? If the people is not supporting him, who is?

Well, we could always do like we have in the past and support an insurgency to overthrow him. The liberals wouldn't like it, but it's about the only thing that might stop the violence and murder.

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Well, we could always do like we have in the past and support an insurgency to overthrow him. The liberals wouldn't like it, but it's about the only thing that might stop the violence and murder.

It's a possibility. But if the insurgency is not led by the "people", you end up replacing an illegitimate regime by another illegitimate one. Overthrowing him for the sake of getting rid of him is pointless if he is not replaced by a popular regime. I don't know enough about Zimbabwe to state whether such a movement is in place. I hope it is.

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

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Perhaps a UN Resolution would help. That should get him shakin in his boots.

Now you're talking real business there. The power and credibility of the UN would save the near 1M people and build them all homes almost immediately.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Well, we could always do like we have in the past and support an insurgency to overthrow him. The liberals wouldn't like it, but it's about the only thing that might stop the violence and murder.

It's a possibility. But if the insurgency is not led by the "people", you end up replacing an illegitimate regime by another illegitimate one. Overthrowing him for the sake of getting rid of him is pointless if he is not replaced by a popular regime. I don't know enough about Zimbabwe to state whether such a movement is in place. I hope it is.

One of the reason tyrants like this are able to gain power is because the people for the most part are uneducated and are easiy led and misled. Unfortunately, there are countries where idealistically, we would like to see democracy, but the reality is it will never occur as long as the people remain illiterate. Sometimes a Dictator or a King is the best form of government. We can only hope the people are ruled by a compassionate leader.

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Sometimes a Dictator or a King is the best form of government. We can only hope the people are ruled by a compassionate leader.

Unfortunately, I couldn't agree with you more. The path to democracy usually goes through such a leader at one point or another (Abdullah II of Jordan, Mubarak, etc...). Besides, democracy is not always the best form of government for all people/countries at a time in their history. IMO. But to get back to Mugabe, I don't see how foreign military intervention would fail to create a civil war. It needs to come from within, I think.

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

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Well, we could always do like we have in the past and support an insurgency to overthrow him. The liberals wouldn't like it, but it's about the only thing that might stop the violence and murder.

After all, look at all the great things the American installed Baath Party did for Iraq!

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Well, we could always do like we have in the past and support an insurgency to overthrow him. The liberals wouldn't like it, but it's about the only thing that might stop the violence and murder.

After all, look at all the great things the American installed Baath Party did for Iraq!

Yep, it's hit or miss thats for sure. OTOH look how Germany and Japan turned out. What would your suggestion be to end the violence?

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Yep, it's hit or miss thats for sure. OTOH look how Germany and Japan turned out. What would your suggestion be to end the violence?

Are you sitting down?

How about an internationally just foreign policy? We need to stop letting oil be the deciding factor of our official position with respect to other countries. Why have we taken action in Iraq, but only paid lip service to Darfur? O-I-L.

Obviously, if we were rteally concerned with human rights we would take on genocide wherever it is found, and not just in oil producing countries. It is rather naive of our elected officials to believe that these foreign nationals are not intelligent enough to see through the hipocrisy of our government.

Looking out for oppressed peoples, and not just corporate profits, would go a long way toward stopping violence in many places in the world, as well as rebuilding foreign respect for America.

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Funny how the same people who think the Govt. should stay out of their lives on a personal level, have no problem with government being involved in the lives of those living in 3rd world countries.

Perhaps we should globalize all oil production and create an international governing body to distribute it.

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Funny how the same people who think the Govt. should stay out of their lives on a personal level, have no problem with government being involved in the lives of those living in 3rd world countries.

Perhaps we should globalize all oil production and create an international governing body to distribute it.

Are you replying to something I said? If so, could you please highlight the relevance?

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Sorry, fixed it. I wasn't responding specifically to you, just in general.

Your response evaded my question, however. How would a change in American Foreign Policy have prevented violence in Darfur or Zimbabwe? Are you suggesting the US get involved everytime some petty dictator starts killing his own people? Or are you suggesting the US not get involved under any circumstances even if it involves protecting our own self-interests?

Do you believe the US has the right to be involved when a woman starts torturing her unborn child by getting the child addicted to cocaine, alchohol etc.?

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Your response evaded my question, however.

No it didn't. You asked:

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What would your suggestion be to end the violence?

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How about an internationally just foreign policy? We need to stop letting oil be the deciding factor of our official position with respect to other countries. Why have we taken action in Iraq, but only paid lip service to Darfur? O-I-L.

Obviously, if we were really concerned with human rights we would take on genocide wherever it is found, and not just in oil producing countries. It is rather naive of our elected officials to believe that these foreign nationals are not intelligent enough to see through the hipocrisy of our government.

Looking out for oppressed peoples, and not just corporate profits, would go a long way toward stopping violence in many places in the world, as well as rebuilding foreign respect for America.

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How would a change in American Foreign Policy have prevented violence in Darfur or Zimbabwe?

Under current foreign policy, any "petty dictator" that does not export oil knows that he can get away with most anything he wants without worrying about an American response. So yes, it is possible a just foreign policy would have prevented violence in places like Darfur and Zimbabwe.

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Or are you suggesting the US not get involved under any circumstances even if it involves protecting our own self-interests?

A peaceful world is in our self interest. Oil is not, at least not naturally so. In fairness, over the past century, the petroleum companies have worked very hard to fool Americans into thinking that we actually need oil. The fact is, however, that anything you can do with hydrocarbons, you can do with carbohydrates. It would be very easy to argue that allowing American farmers to produce fuel for America is, in fact, in America's self interests.

In short, I am not convinced that the current foreign policy is doing anything to preserve America's self interests.

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Do you believe the US has the right to be involved when a woman starts torturing her unborn child by getting the child addicted to cocaine, alchohol etc.?

Let's leave that topic for its own thread, already in progress.

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The fact is, however, that anything you can do with hydrocarbons, you can do with carbohydrates.

Very COOL -

Fill 'er up.
What would you like - spagetti or linguini?
Linguini - unleaded

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The fact is, however, that anything you can do with hydrocarbons, you can do with carbohydrates.

Very COOL -

Fill 'er up.
What would you like - spagetti or linguini?
Linguini - unleaded

I wasn't thinking about that kind of gas.

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Perhaps we should globalize all oil production and create an international governing body to distribute it.

You're kidding right? Any international body distributing oil would have to designate America as a net oil exporting nation given their reserves, production and population.

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Perhaps we should globalize all oil production and create an international governing body to distribute it.

You're kidding right? Any international body distributing oil would have to designate America as a net oil exporting nation given their reserves, production and population.

Yes, I was was kidding. Being a smartass would be a better description. Carry on.