London Olympics: Gun Events Illegal

[JohnRich 4]

In the news:

Less than two months after he was victorious in securing the Olympic Games for the capital, Lord Coe has met his first major setback. It turns out that three of the pistol-shooting events are outlawed under legislation passed in 1997, bizarrely making it illegal for the British team to train on home soil.

According to an article due to appear in the next issue of The Field magazine, the law even calls into question whether the events - the 50-metre men's, the rapid fire, and the women's 25-metre - will be permitted during the Olympics themselves.

A shooting lobby group, the Sportsman's Association, has written to the International Olympic Committee, calling on them to campaign for a change in the law.

According to a spokesman for the Department for Culture, Media and Sport, there is unlikely to be any such change.

Full story: The Independent

[BillyVance 35]

Does this law extend to the entire British Isles? Surely, they could make some kind of exemption for sanctioned competition only. There's still 7 years left, plenty of time. Just send the British team over to America to train all they want...

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[shropshire 0]

This sounds a bit strange, cus Bisley (famous rifle range) regulaly runs events and their site suggests that the Olympic shooting events could be held there but is more likely at Woolwich........
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[JohnRich 4]

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This sounds a bit strange, cus Bisley (famous rifle range) regulaly runs events and their site suggests that the Olympic shooting events could be held there.

It is the handgun events which are illegal under current British law. Long guns are okay, as long as they aren't semi-auto.

[shropshire 0]

sorry, my mistake.

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[slug 1]

Hi JR


Details, details

I'm guessing that the local powers to be will come to their senses and allow the olympic handgun shooting events.

However we've been wrong in the past

R.I.P.

[JohnRich 4]

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Surely, they could make some kind of exemption for sanctioned competition only... send the British team over to America to train all they want...

In the full story, they mention a possible temporary exemption to allow the competition to occur. But no exemption in advance to allow British shooters to train at home - they will still have to go to a foreign country to practice.

If they recognize that competition shooters aren't a threat by allowing them to come from all over the world to compete, then they shouldn't have a problem with those same shooters from their own country practicing year-round.

The logic is absurd:

1) It's okay for British shooters to go to another country to practice.
2) It's not okay for them to practice in England, because it's too dangerous.

So what does this mean? It means that they don't trust these sport shooters not to kill their fellow citizens, but they don't mind if they go off somewhere else and kill other innocent nationalities. That's very nice of the government...

And if other nations trust British sport shooters, then why doesn't England trust their own? What does that say about the relationship between government and citizens in England?

The whole situation is absurd.

[quade 4]

In other news today . . .

John Rich, not content with the mandate of the NRA, today announced the creation of the International Rifle Association.

lol

Geebus John, I dunno about you, but I'd be pretty pissed off if some foreigners tried to tell me how we should be running -our- country. Even if they made sense it's none of their damn business.

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[BillyVance 35]

I don't see why not let the Brits practice here. All in the name of sportsmanship. Hell, the African long-distance runners usually come out to Colorado to train at high altitude for their multitude of road races throughout the year across the U.S., as well as the Olympics and World Championships...

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[chillum 0]

Hand guns are illigal here in the UK and generaly not a good idea anyway. This way we don't end up all shooting at each other. yeah hahhhh!

[Gleb 0]

well u are 9 times more likely to get stabbed than shot in london. I like those odds:)

It is impossible to stop illegal gun selling in america. the market is completly flooded. by making them illegal in the US, they'll just take the guns away from those who use then for sport such as target practice and keeping them in the hands of criminals.

Do u actually think that most shootings are commited with registered guns?

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Do u actually think that most shootings are commited with registered guns?

Can you prove otherwise?

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[dropoutdave 0]

Ah well, it's not like the British team was going to get gold in the shooting anyway, we're British, we crave disappointment.

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[Trae 1]

in reply to "It is impossible to stop illegal gun selling in america. the market is completly flooded. by making them illegal in the US, they'll just take the guns away from those who use then for sport such as target practice and keeping them in the hands of criminals. '

This is exactly what has happened in Oz.

Decent law abiding citizens are denied the right to defend themselves via feararms while the crims don't have the same restrictions.
Relying on the perleece is not a good idea as they seem inclined to stay away and just arrive afterwards to pick up the pieces.

The sale of items such as speargerns and bown arrows has increased though.....backwards step or what.?

[rhys 0]

hand guns are stupid.

they should be banned.

the nra are redneck morons (don't think thats a personal attack?)

the only handgun i have ever layed my eyes on that wasn't on telly. has been in a police holster or a toy. i like it that way. having everybody cruizing around with them is just asking for unessecary death and injury.

skydiving is much more athletic that should be in the olympics instead.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[mikkey 0]

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in reply to "It is impossible to stop illegal gun selling in america. the market is completly flooded. by making them illegal in the US, they'll just take the guns away from those who use then for sport such as target practice and keeping them in the hands of criminals. '

This is exactly what has happened in Oz.

Decent law abiding citizens are denied the right to defend themselves via feararms while the crims don't have the same restrictions.
Relying on the perleece is not a good idea as they seem inclined to stay away and just arrive afterwards to pick up the pieces.

The sale of items such as speargerns and bown arrows has increased though.....backwards step or what.?

What a load of rubbish. Try checking the crime stats in regard to how many times guns are used in crimes compared to other countries.

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[JohnRich 4]

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Hand guns are illigal here in the UK and generaly not a good idea anyway. This way we don't end up all shooting at each other. yeah hahhhh!

So you think that Olympic pistol shooters are really just murderous thugs?

What about the archery participants? How about the javelin throwers? Those are weapons too, which were originally used to kill people. Maybe those events should be cancelled too.

You know, I can't recall a single Olympics in which sport shooters went berserk and shot people...

[waltappel 1]

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hand guns are stupid.

they should be banned.

the nra are redneck morons (don't think thats a personal attack?)

the only handgun i have ever layed my eyes on that wasn't on telly. has been in a police holster or a toy. i like it that way. having everybody cruizing around with them is just asking for unessecary death and injury.

skydiving is much more athletic that should be in the olympics instead.

I'm an NRA member. I own handguns. I don't take your statement as a personal attack. It is more of an embarrasment to you, but I don't think you have realized it yet.

You have made it clear that you know nothing about guns. That's fine, it's your choice to make, but it really doesn't sound like you have made an informed choice.

Like it or not, there are some very bad people out there that will, with little reason, try to harm you or steal or damage your property. Fend them off with your water pistols if you wish, but I prefer the idea of putting a shitstorm of bullets between me and them.

Walt

[JohnRich 4]

In the news:

The government has been urged to relax gun laws which make it illegal for Britain's top pistol shooters to train in England, Scotland and Wales.

Home Secretary Charles Clarke has given special permission for pistol events to be staged at the London 2012 Olympics.

But British team members face having to do all their 2012 preparations abroad.

"It would be fantastic if they were given the ability to compete on a level playing field," said British shooting's performance chief John Leighton-Dyson.

Team members currently spend about 20 to 30 days a year training in Switzerland, and receive no funding because their events are illegal in the UK.

Japan, which has similar gun laws to Britain, gives its elite pistol shooters a special exemption.

Source: BBC

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Ah well, it's not like the British team was going to get gold in the shooting anyway, we're British, we crave disappointment.

The brits seem to do well in the shotgun games. (skeet/trap/sproting clays)

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[rhys 0]

You have made it clear that you know nothing about guns. That's fine, it's your choice to make, but it really doesn't sound like you have made an informed choice.

Like it or not, there are some very bad people out there that will, with little reason, try to harm you or steal or damage your property. Fend them off with your water pistols if you wish, but I prefer the idea of putting a shitstorm of bullets between me and them.

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my informed choice is to live in a place where those sort of goings on are very unlikely indeed. hence i have never laid my eyes on a handgun in my life except in a police holster or an antique in a museum. the second amendment or what ever the fuck it is that allows you idiots to keep shooting each other at ease is absolutely outragous.

i'm lucky enough to be born and raised in a place that does not have such violent crimes everywhere. you too could live in such a place. if you wish.

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[waltappel 1]

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my informed choice is to live in a place where those sort of goings on are very unlikely indeed. hence i have never laid my eyes on a handgun in my life except in a police holster or an antique in a museum. the second amendment or what ever the fuck it is that allows you idiots to keep shooting each other at ease is absolutely outragous.

i'm lucky enough to be born and raised in a place that does not have such violent crimes everywhere. you too could live in such a place. if you wish.

You also choose to embarass yourself and your homeland by continuing to display your ignorance.

The US does indeed have a serious problem with violent crime, but I get a sense that you, like many, seem to think that the root cause is the availability of firearms.

That's like saying that penises are the root cause of rape.

There is a lot of speculation about the rise of violent crime in the US, but to me it's clear that in the past few decades, there has been a very fundamental shift in the attitudes of many of our young people. Maybe it's the spread of gangs, I don't know.

Whatever the cause, I am not willing to run away from the problem. Throw your ignorance and insults this direction all you want--it's much more of a reflection on you than it is on me or anyone else in the US.

Walt

[CornishChris 5]

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You also choose to embarass yourself and your homeland by continuing to display your ignorance

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

New Zealand must be so embarrassed! Man that made me laugh.

CJP

Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people

[juanesky 0]

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You have made it clear that you know nothing about guns. That's fine, it's your choice to make, but it really doesn't sound like you have made an informed choice.

Like it or not, there are some very bad people out there that will, with little reason, try to harm you or steal or damage your property. Fend them off with your water pistols if you wish, but I prefer the idea of putting a shitstorm of bullets between me and them.

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my informed choice is to live in a place where those sort of goings on are very unlikely indeed. hence i have never laid my eyes on a handgun in my life except in a police holster or an antique in a museum. the second amendment or what ever the fuck it is that allows you idiots to keep shooting each other at ease is absolutely outragous.
i'm lucky enough to be born and raised in a place that does not have such violent crimes everywhere. you too could live in such a place. if you wish.

Your informed choice? What was that informed choice, you decided where to be born and raised where you are at now? Doesn't sound much as an informed decision to me, and your knowledge in firearms looks as if your "expertise" is not well founded either.

Thanks for calling all the US population idiots (PA), but don't need to fear as Billvon most likely praise your insults....

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Thanks for calling all the US population idiots (PA),

Assuming PA stands for Personal Attack, I suggest looking up the definition of Personal. I think you will find it hard to explain how an attack on a whole population can be a Personal Attack.