Idiots camped outside Bush's crawford ranch.

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>Imagine being a resident of Crawford and all of a sudden you have a
> bunch of jobless stink hippies and their port-o-johns on your lawn.

Now a woman who lost her son is a "jobless stink hippy." Wow. Excellent slam on a woman who lost her son fighting for you.

Bill,
She didn't giver her son!!!!!!!!!!! HE GAVE HIS LIFE FOR THIS COUNTRY! Don't confsue his real sacrifice with her loss. She obviously never wanted him to go and might as well be pissing on his grave right now.

As far as 'jobless stink hippies', all the people showing up to camp with here are mostly the same band of gypsies that travel the country looking for the spotlight, a tent, people to piss off, and to waste everyone's time. I don't think she was one before this but she definetly is now.

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This is kind of a strange reversal of what the far Right say (dont know you politics, so bear with me please)... Normally, good god fearing, government supporting women are said to be Giving their sons for their country.... but now, because obe of those mothers cries descent. (Whoops dissent).. she is denied that right.. Am I the only one to see a double standard here?

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(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Normally, good god fearing, government supporting women are said to be Giving their sons for their country

Did his mother sign that dotted line for him? Personally, I signed my own.

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So did I but I discussed it with my family. But that's missing the point that I tried to make, I think.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[tcnelson 1]

is that what the far right say? what do the far left say? what do the people in the middle say? what is descent?

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

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So did I but I discussed it with my family. But that's missing the point that I tried to make, think.

What was the point you were trying to make?

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This is kind of a strange reversal of what the far Right say (dont know you politics, so bear with me please)... Normally, good god fearing, government supporting women are said to be Giving their sons for their country.... but now, because obe of those mothers cries descent... she is denied that right.. Am I the only one to see a double standard here?.

Tony,
My politics are fluid. I am not a Democrat nor a Republican. I think W fucked this war up beyond comprehension. That said, why punish the poor people of Crawford? They are having no effect on W's life. I have 2 moms now, if I died in war, which one "gave" me. Answer = None. I decided myself as did all of our military. She didn't 'give' anything, her son did. Her statement should be "My son gave HIS life, and I miss him"

I empathise with her but, nobody owes her anything.

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[shropshire 0]

Fair question... to which I have no sensible answer (note to self.... Think things through before posting! - It's probably not a Left/Right issue more likely War supporting .vs. Peace supporting..... maybe)

By decent (Whoops dissent) I mean that she is probably voiceing an opinion opposite to the perceived norm.

My real question(s) is why is this woman who loved her son, being vilified so much? Why would anyone compare her protest to pissing upon the grave of here son? Just because she does not hold the same views of this, clearly, controversial invasion?

She may not share many peoples views (maybe not even her sons) but she still has every right to protest without being abused or insulted.

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(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[shropshire 0]

Fair comment.

But my point is that it's oft quoted figure of speach, that during times of war that .."Mothers Gave their Sons" . So it's not a new notion. Of course, it's generally used to describe the mothers, who suffer in silence, so why not one who has every right to grieve and oppose the governtment?

IMHO the "Pissing on his grave" comment was out of order.

[Googles has referrences back to Sparta......]

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[shropshire 0]

My point is that she is being treated differently, probably because she holds views not shared by some.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[christelsabine 1]

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She didn't 'give' anything, her son did. Her statement should be "My son gave HIS life, and I miss him"

I empathise with her but, nobody owes her anything.

[Channman 2]

I agree, I believe her family is somewhat embarrassed by her actions. They have said as much in a letter they released to the media. Although agreeing she has a right to greive for her son, they think this is far more about her and 15 min. of fame than a legitimate protest.

I know Bill believes this all has been built up by the Right, but the wacko left is very much supporting her. As this goes on I believe its doing more harm to the liberal left than good because the majority of Americans do not stand with Cindy's protest they stand with her son's sacrifice. Sometimes its best, to just get out of the way and let them self destruct.

With reference to the War and fighting terrorist, there are only two ways to change an evil man. 1. Change his heart or 2. Put a bullet through his brain.

As I say, its not always easy being RIGHT, but its a burdan im willing to bear.

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She may not share many peoples views (maybe not even her sons) but she still has every right to protest without being abused or insulted.

Funny, I didn't see that in the Consitution... she has a right to protest, sure... but others have the right to insult her too... I don't see anyone abusing her, a least not in a phyiscal sense... I do see some of the anti-Bush crowd taking advantage of her though...

It is sad that she lost her son to the war, and now she is losing her husband to these theatrics... will the anti-Bush bunch be around to comfort her when it is all said and done?

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

[rehmwa 2]

That's certainly how you would feel in her situation (empathy is a great thing).

But can you know that's what she is doing? If so, then her grief is at a very unhealthy and psychotic level (I mean really, stalking the president of the US?) and she could be violent.

Would you stalk the president?, why not congressmen, why not the UN, why not Sadam, why not go to Iraq and find the individual directly responsible for killing her son?

Best she finds counseling if she's really that distraught, or a better purpose if she's just an activist and this is her hook.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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Or we could bomb his innocent countrymen/women& children back into the stoneage (for the Greater good)
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(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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>and might as well be pissing on his grave right now.

So you know her son better than she does, eh? That seems a bit presumptious.

>As far as 'jobless stink hippies', all the people showing up to camp
> with here are mostly the same band of gypsies that travel the
> country looking for the spotlight, a tent, people to piss off, and
>to waste everyone's time.

Do you think the same of the protesters who showed up to support Terry Schiavo?

[Channman 2]

Well if necassary, if thats what it takes to break there will to fight. We better be in this War to WIN.

Seems they have no qualms bombing innocent children, including their own countrymen back into the stoneage, hell I believe we both have given witness to this fact for years now on National TV.

Their families are willing to take money $25,000 a child to send them off not only to kill themselves but little babies, their mothers, fathers, brother, sisters...all for the GREATER GOOD?

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Ha.. Well that's alright then - problem solved

Their leader pissed off our leaders and the kids have to die - Oh how proud am I?

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Now a woman who lost her son is a "jobless stink hippy." Wow. Excellent slam on a woman who lost her son fighting for you.

Bill,
She didn't giver her son!!!!!!!!!!! HE GAVE HIS LIFE FOR THIS COUNTRY! Don't confsue his real sacrifice with her loss. She obviously never wanted him to go and might as well be pissing on his grave right now.

Can you say "strawman"? Where did he say she "gave" her son? It looks to me like he said she "lost" her son.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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That's certainly how you would feel in her situation (empathy is a great thing).

But can you know that's what she is doing? If so, then her grief is at a very unhealthy and psychotic level (I mean really, stalking the president of the US?) and she could be violent.

Would you stalk the president?, why not congressmen, why not the UN, why not Sadam, why not go to Iraq and find the individual directly responsible for killing her son?

Best she finds counseling if she's really that distraught, or a better purpose if she's just an activist and this is her hook.

That's not stalking. She's using her right of free speech. I surely would do the same in her place. Being left behind after own kid died, surely is not normal and should not be described as "unhealthy... or on a "psychotic level"....

Isn't GWB the one responsible for that complete desaster? Isn't he the one talking, praising, trying to convince everyone about/for his war in Iraq? GWB is the one leaning out the window, talking about "noble causes..."
(OK, OK, I know, in fact, it's not "his brain" behind all )

I saw her talking in TV. Talking in quiet words, she kept calm, no big emotions, not looking silly at all, not like any activist (what a tasteless word for a mother in such situation!).

My general opinion (and not explicitly adressed to you):

It seems to be easier to talk in heroic words about the guys which are killed for a "noble cause" (these 2 words alone just give me a huge migraine attack!) but, much harder to look behind the curtains: The families in sorrow ... They are not welcome. If one of them, like this mother now, dares to show up, it suddenly is a matter of left or right. OK, perhaps she's now using the media for her cause. Why not?

Rehmwa, it's a little unfair to point out that "empathy is a great thing": I'm old enough to use both, heart and brain.


Christel

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I empathise with her but, nobody owes her anything.

How about a little respect and gratitude?! Do you feel the same way about Marie Tillman?

When our young troops are off dying in battle, some families are going to have to shoulder a burden of grief. Be grateful this woman is bearing that cross and you're not. I think we all owe at least a little fucking respect to the families who lose their loved ones in the advancement of our national agenda, whether we agree with that agenda or not.

How do you feel about the people who spat on returning Vietnam vets and called them all manner of nasty names? I get a similar reaction seeing people here calling this woman an idiot, stink-hippy, attention-hound. Walk a mile in her shoes, lose your own child to the war, then come back and tell us whether you deserve to be the object of ridicule for not being very fucking happy about it.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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Perhaps, few words, some attention of him would solve that situation and help a crying mother to go home and grieve for the death of her son?

He did meet with her. She didn't like what he said or his attitude. On the same day he met with her, he met with other families. I listened to an interview with several and they talked about how sincere, friendly and humble the President was and how much time he spent with each of them.

They were satisfied with their meeting, but she was not. BUT she did get her time with him! He did not avoid her as she claims.

Blue skies,

Jim

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WB is making a fool of a mother which lost her son in a war for which he is responsible, him alone and no one else.

This is such crap. That's right W made up all the intel, in fact he knew that the British, Germans, French ect, ect were wrong.

Being against the war is great but statements like the above are just crazy

Always always remember its ALL George W Bush fault. EVERYTHING, nobody else.

AAAAGGGGGGGGAAAGG

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Dave,
As I posted in my original post, put youself in the shoes of the peoples yards these people are crapping in. Sit in traffic trying to get home to your kids.

There is a way to do this without violating W's innocent neighbors.

Her son getting killed does not give her the right to violate other peoples lives. HER SON VOLUNTEERED.

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[billvon 3,118]

>>GWB is making a fool of a mother which lost her son in a war for
>>which he is responsible, him alone and no one else.

>This is such crap.

It's crap that he's responsible for what our armed forces do? I think perhaps a peek at the organizational chart of the US Armed Forces might be in order if you think that's crap.