Our Soul .....

[Mockingbird 0]

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Chuteless, simply because people don't agree with you and your position does not mean that they are unintelligent. Rather, it means they have another opinion. Some of your posts are interesting. This one was simply a PA.

Michele, although I agree with you, I think Chuteless was just reacting to CanuckInUSA's "PA" on him in Post #6.

Seems like any time someone mentions "God" or "Bible" they get ripped apart and are made to look like a bigot and a buffoon. But if that person responds with an attack, he's the one who gets scolded. What kind of justice is that?

[Mockingbird 0]

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Your one warning. Treat others as you want to be treated and all that.

I guess CanuckInUSA is immune to this recommendation? If he called my opinion "garbage" just on the assumption that it probably came from a bible, I wouldn't be happy about it either!

It seems like all views have the privilege of being received with *Tolerance* except for religious ones, especially Christian.

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I guess CanuckInUSA is immune to this recommendation? If he called my opinion "garbage" just on the assumption that it probably came from a bible, I wouldn't be happy about it either!

It seems like all views have the privilege of being received with *Tolerance* except for religious ones, especially Christian.

CanuckInUSA didn't attack the person, just the idea. You can attack an idea or opinion, not a poster.

That's where the line is. Chuteless crossed it, Canuck didn't. Thanks for playing.

Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and
Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™

[Mockingbird 0]

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CanuckInUSA didn't attack the person, just the idea. You can attack an idea or opinion, not a poster.

What you are saying is garbage.

Actually, in *essence*, Canuck did attack the person. But I don't really expect anyone to admit that, so I won't push it any further.

As for the question posed by Shropshire, I think every human life has a soul. I've always thought of it as the immaterial part of you, sort of like your personality. I remember in college studying the theological views of the soul. Some theologians say that human beings are composed of three "parts": body, soul, and spirit. These explain that the body is the physical part of you, the soul is made up of the mind, the will, and the emotions; and the spirit is that part of you that relates to God. They would say that some people who are physically alive have spirits that are in a sense, "dead" because they have no relationship to God.

Other theologians say that human beings are made up of only two parts: body and soul (the soul being mind, will, emotion, AND the part of you which relates to God).

That's all I know--- just the theological view of it. I think what Quade said about it is interesting. It makes a lot of sense.

Shropshire, if you are interested in that the bible says about the soul, go here http://bible.gospelcom.net/keyword/ and type the word SOUL in the box.

[cloudseeker2001 0]

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What is the soul?
Who/what has one?
Your thoughts/comments please......

Read Plato...........

"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"

[Michele 1]

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Michele, although I agree with you, I think Chuteless was just reacting to CanuckInUSA's "PA" on him in Post #6.

Seems like any time someone mentions "God" or "Bible" they get ripped apart and are made to look like a bigot and a buffoon. But if that person responds with an attack, he's the one who gets scolded. What kind of justice is that?

And I agree with you. But intolerance isn't what we're talking about, is it? We're talking about a line which Chuteless crossed, which is play the ball and not the player. Is it hard to avoid the PAs? Absolutely. But it can be done, and I think Chuteless' position would only be made stronger if he were able to do it. I speak a bit about spirituality, God, and different books, and yet most people don't slam me. Why? Because I do everything I can to not play the player....and stick with the ball.

I too am sick of seeing those who have strong faith lambasted each and every time they post; they are drowned out by people who tend to be vitriolic in comments and also those who've had bad experiences. But their anger is misplaced, and I think that respect needs to be shown to everyone...including those who don't hold the same opinion as I do.

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Let me guess who came up with that garbage. A human right? How do you know you have a soul and your pet doesn't. Because we're intelligent and they're not? News flash animals are smarter than we give them credit for and humans are not very smart at all. So what makes us different from all the other beings on this planet or better yet other possible life forms in the universe?

Your fictional bible (written by humans) is full of flaws and is a total joke. Your fictional bible claims that the world is only a few thousand years old when we have scientific evidence showing us that your fictional book written by humans is oh so very wrong. So why is it that humans have a soul and animals don't. Oh yes, it's written in that fictional bible of yours used to control and scare humans into NOT thinking for themselves.

I can certainly see the disrespect here...his post is rife with it. But a PA? Not really. His position is that the Bible is not real; that it was written by humans; that animals may be "smarter" than humans give them credit for; that there is scientific evidence which contradicts biblical theory; and that the bible is used for intimidation tactics. But there really isn't anything there about Chuteless, at least that I could see.

Do I agree with Canuck? No...but that doesn't mean that he's personally attacked me and my belief. What's excellent about this whole thing is the view of free choice that is apparent in both sides of the coin...and that, to me, is a fascinating issue unto itself.

If I've managed to misread Canusk's post, please show me where it contains a PA...and I'll reconsider my thought (but I'm no greenie, so it prolly won't matter anyway...
Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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right through, (as you say) spiders, fleas, bacteria, viruses, Plants etc....... so anything with DNA?

I'm not sure (and isn't that great? I love not knowing, because then I can learn...). I really don't know. What do you think?

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From an earlier poster... I'm not sure about Near Death Expereinces... couldn't that jusy be the bodies way of making the last few moments bearable, or a chemical imbalance or something like an everyday dream?

Perhaps. But perhaps that's also a way of defining/dismissing the mystical aspect of life. If it is a NDE, that would challenge a group of people who firmly believe there is no survivial of the soul...and so an "easy" explanation is that it's a chemical imbalance or the body's way of making the last few moments bearable...and why would the body make the last few moments bearable anyway, if there is no soul? Wouldn't that in and of itself indicate the presence of something more mystical and spiritual rather than just experiencing misfires of the neurons of the brain?

Good, interesting question. I would hope that some respect is shown to all points of view, and not simply anger raging for the sake of raging...(not directed at you, Shropshire...)

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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that animals may be "smarter" than humans

My comments about the animals were that they were smarter than we give them credit for. My cat knows how to communicate with me when she wants something. So why are we humans so special? We're not as far as I'm concerned.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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>So why are we humans so special?

We can ask the question.

[billvon 3,116]

>Well, for starters, you ALL have a soul.

Recently, archaeologists found remains of a _very_ recent species of human (Homo Floresiensis) on an island in Indonesia. Recent as in only 8000-13,000 years old; within recorded history. It would have been fascinating to see what happened if they had still been living when we found them. I could see more than one religion tearing itself apart on the question of whether they have souls or not, because they would most certainly be a different species from us (i.e. can't interbreed and thus will never become more 'like' us physically.)

[Michele 1]

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My comments about the animals were that they were smarter than we give them credit for. My cat knows how to communicate with me when she wants something. So why are we humans so special? We're not as far as I'm concerned.

You're correct, and I apologize. I mischaracterized your statement utterly unintentionally. I shall go back and edit.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[Mockingbird 0]

Hi, Michele. I appreciate your taking the time to reason with me on the subject of personal attacks. I guess when one has been here long enough, he becomes desensitized as to what constitutes a personal attack and one develops the skill of *covertly* attacking another poster without actually using the personal pronouns that would give it away as a personal attack. Yes, I see now how the game is played; ya' have to learn to use the loopholes.

Suppose I feel sorry for someone who has been covertly attacked in this way. Would it be considered a "personal attack" if I express my view that the attacker is being rude?

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I'm not sure (and isn't that great? I love not knowing, because then I can learn...). I really don't know. What do you think?

Thanks. Well, I'm not at all sure (cop out!), hence the question.
I'm not religious (do not belive in the Christian God) I do belive that Eveloution has some of the real answers to our creation.
I find it the height of arogance that Man puts himself above the rest of the animal kindgom and could belive that only modern humans have a soul (why?).
So, did our predecessors (the missing link?) have a soul and those that come before.... etc... etc... all the way back?
What do other religious groups think?

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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It seems like all views have the privilege of being received with *Tolerance* except for religious ones, especially Christian.

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Mockingbird,

Well, we as Christians have sort of a disadvantage in that we have something to base our beliefs on besides our own wisdom. The Bible I think provides a way to get "digs" in without actually attacking the person. Most non-believers are guided by their own personal wisdom as opposed to something written down and if we were to attack that we would be breaking the rules.

BTW, I am not saying that you non-believers don't read and study books and are not intelligent so please don't read that into this. I do respect your opinions and views.

Mrs. WaltAppel

All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Can you define soul?

yes!

Soul is what the church will save if you give them enough money.

Soul is what the church needs you to believe in for their concept to work.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

I like to think that the soul is the insecurity religious people have with their own mortality. For some reason these people seem to think that they will live (in their soul) for eternity when it's not even known if the universe will continue to expand or if at some point it will contract upon itself.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over