Love it or leave it, buddy!!!

[AlexCrowley 0]

Ok, please, someone explain this to me.

1. The Bush haters bash the president.
2. "love it or leave it, hippy!"

My confusion?

Why the hell are you sat in the US making that statement after 8 years of Clinton 'destroying the country'?

Sorry, just can't work out where attacking Clinton isnt hating america but hating Bush isnt.

I hate them both, yet love America.

How strange.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[billvon 3,120]

If Hilary wins in the next election, things will reverse again, as they do every few years. Michael Mantorum will make a movie slamming Hilary and the right wingers will become ecstatic about how 'the truth is finally out', while the left wingers call him a fat lying scumbag. The Swift Shopping Vets will claim she beats puppies and children. Left wingers will demonstrate they didn't really shop with her, but the right wing won't care.

The left wingers will ask all the right wingers who promised to leave the country if they can buy their airline tickets for them. The right wingers will pretend they didn't hear the question. The left wingers will claim the right wingers are traitors; the right wingers will quote Benjamin Franklin. The right wingers will slam Hilary when she cuts taxes (for 'gutting the military') and slam her when she raises taxes (for 'destroying the middle class.') The left wingers will wonder out loud if the right wingers are always so negative, and if they ever have anything good to say about anyone. "Why are all right wingers so hate-filled?"

Won't that be fun.

[tcnelson 1]

it's like tennis bill...opponents switch sides of the court for the next set.

it's all too true though, eh?

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[waltappel 1]

That post is giving me a headache because of all the ugly truth it points out.

Walt

[AlexCrowley 0]

Thanks Bill, that's what I thought

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[markd_nscr986 0]

***The left wingers will ask all the right wingers who promised to leave the country if they can buy their airline tickets for them.



I will gladly accept a one way ticket and bug out for Costa Rica,Panama or Belize for a few years

You can even come and visit if you like

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[Ragnarok 0]

Freedom to speak out is a good thing - taking it too far is not.

Go ahead and bash the Pres, he was VOTED for - if you are unhappy, do some homework, and pay attenting next time you cast your ballot.

No one Pres is going to make everyone happy.

America has its bad points, it has its good points. I promise that NO OTHER COUNTRY has as many good points as the USA, some may have less bad points, but there truly is no land like the USA.

There is more to life than being a close minded, flower weaving, bed wetting, barbie doll dressing hippie that smells bad and smokes pot all day. Always running their mouth at how bad this country is - but doing nothing to change it.

Life is too short to get caught up in a debate that will only serve to get you all hot and bothered without accomplishing anything.

Remember this, if not anything else: the government you voted for sent us over to Iraq. Soldiers are dying over there. We did not ask to go, we were ordered to. It was not a decision we made. Now, I did volunteer to join the Army, and with that comes the risk of combat, but I was willing to accept that risk. It had nothing to do with the Pres, the government, the money for college, or glory. It is personal for me, nothing more. Someone has to watch the wall, right?

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Cessna P206 N2537X, 19 April 2008
Blue Skies Forever

[Mike111 0]

I fully agree - clinton failed to stop terrorism, and did far less actuall work than Bush.

But as with Blair in this country, Clinton "looked the part more - more like a movie star and gave good speeches" while bush on the other hand is slightly clumsier and more a babbler than clinton, so people already steroptype him has bad and them pounce on him - there wasn;t that much of a row when clinton was caught with lewinski - fuck - a a pres cheating> great leader.

Its the same with blair - he looks and talks the talk - yet a guy gulled Hague was far better but "looked like a puppet" so got bahsed more.

Some people base it on looks... for some reason....

Mike

[Botellines 0]

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I promise that NO OTHER COUNTRY has as many good points as the USA, some may have less bad points, but there truly is no land like the USA.

Any link to give your claim some proof?

Let me guess, you haven´t ever left U.S.A soil.

[Ragnarok 0]

Botellines -
Korea,
Germany,
Iraq,
Kuwait,
France,
Canada,
Jamaica,
Grand Caymons,
Mexico,

Yea, I have been around. My judgement may be biased, and I am sure that we can argue until we are blue in the face. Every time I have been gone, it has always been great to come home. No matter where I have been.

My e-penis may not be as big as yours because I get nothing out of attacking others, so go lightly - I may just curse you with a wicked case of hemrhoids........

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Twin Otter N203-Echo,29 July 2006
Cessna P206 N2537X, 19 April 2008
Blue Skies Forever

[Mike111 0]

America may very well be the best country in the world, it might not, but what is the use of a subjective oppinion?

you mentioned botellines attacking you, but you are threatening him in a very subtle way - "just hermdoids". .what's the point? i thought this thread was commenting on people and Bush

IMHO, America isn;t the best country in the world, but whether it is or not, where is your actual proof? Anyone can make a statement , but valued statments have info to back them up...

...

mike

[Ragnarok 0]

So what if Clinton messed around - Kennedy did, so did Washington. It is just in this day and age, more people know about it because of the internet.

People will be human, it is what they do with their humanity that shoulld matter.

What about Jim Baker, the Evangelist? Look at what he did.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone......

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Twin Otter N203-Echo,29 July 2006
Cessna P206 N2537X, 19 April 2008
Blue Skies Forever

[AlexCrowley 0]

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Freedom to speak out is a good thing - taking it too far is not.

Personally I disagree, unless what you're doing is criminal there should be no limit to free speech, but perhaps Im in a minority nowadays.

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Remember this, if not anything else: the government you voted for sent us over to Iraq. Soldiers are dying over there. We did not ask to go, we were ordered to. It was not a decision we made. Now, I did volunteer to join the Army, and with that comes the risk of combat, but I was willing to accept that risk. It had nothing to do with the Pres, the government, the money for college, or glory. It is personal for me, nothing more. Someone has to watch the wall, right?

I realize you just got back. I'm sure everyone here, regardless of their feelings about the war or this administration is grateful to you, and thanks you for serving your country.

This thread is not about the army, or the war. No one, except you, has mentioned it.

The rest of your post makes a lot of sense except the stuff about hippies - sounds like perhaps you used to be one and then rejected the lifestyle.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[Mike111 0]

Sorry bout the 5 posts - my PC locked and i click psoted one to many times.

fair enough, ordinary human beings not in power such as you and me and most 99.99% people on the planet are prone to commit adulteyr and a small portion will... but as a leader who is suppsoed to set an example...
... you don;t see Bush having sex with somewoman under the table in ihis office (lol although he still has time)

Therefore, although you disagree with Bush sending troops to Iraq, adn being a soldier yourself i fully respect the risks you take to protect your fellow countrymen, i respect totally your opinion.

Any yes Timmy and FAe Baker the corrupt teleevangelist are wankers for abusing the trust of others, proving anyone can be corrupt.

But Bush does his job., clinton never did.

Why do you like Clinton so much?

[AlexCrowley 0]

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Point - you can't slag bush off tho when he has higher moral standards than clinton and actually DOES his job, nto sit on his ass with his dick in some woman like clinton?

Why do you like Clinton so much?

This is a great demonstration of something I've held true for a while.

Those who vote republican tend to view the leadership as a single person, he is judged on the projection of his personality, this personality is moral, good, hardworking, no-nonsense. His foibles are unimportant. It is the public persona on which he is judged.

To the people who vote democrat, most believe that the intellect and ability to reason is the most important thing, they want a leader with intelligence who can rationally approach a problem from several angles and select the one that serves the country the best. Absolutes are seen as dangerous. The persons personal life is not as important as his ability to do the job for which he has been selected.

This plays out between Clinton and Bush.

The Right HATES Clinton, can't get over his infidelity. Ignore all the good that he did and shit all over his playing with some intern.

The left loved Clinton because he used his brain, everything was considered before action was taken, and they knew that action was what logically made most sense for the country.

The left HATES Bush, they can't get over the fact he's an arrogant strong willed 'dunce'. He jumps to weird conclusions and does what he wants in the face of facts and opposition. The man doesnt think and is an idiot.

The right love Bush because he takes no shit, acts decisively without a lot of flip flopping and does whats right for the country.

Thanks for perfectly illustrating that model.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[bodypilot90 0]

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Let me guess, you haven´t ever left U.S.A soil.

Mexico
Germany
Bahamas
Haiti
Morroco
Iraq
Israel

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I promise that NO OTHER COUNTRY has as many good points as the USA, some may have less bad points, but there truly is no land like the USA.

agreed

[Ragnarok 0]

Honestly, I did like CLinton - he did alot of good things. I like Bush, he asllo has done alot of good things.

They both also did not so good things. Yea, I wish things the Pres did would appease all of us, or at least MOST of us more than bother us - but I don't see that being possible.


Hey, it really is my pleasure to serve - you really don't have to thank me. Seeing threads like this one are all the thanks I need - to see people living their life the way they want to, and to exercise those freedoms that most people take for granted and too many that don't have those freedoms.

Peace

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Twin Otter N203-Echo,29 July 2006
Cessna P206 N2537X, 19 April 2008
Blue Skies Forever

[Mike111 0]

I should have put in my post other the respect i have for you for you service to your country - although we diasgree slightly in our oppinions, i really admire those who DO serve their country and protect their countrymen for their beliefes - takes a lot of guts and a strong person

he greatest tragedy is that the solderis never get enough recognition - eveyrone spends time talking about the presidetns etc while the sldiers are risking their life.

Thanks, i meant no disrespect before at all by leaving that out,

Mike

[sfzombie13 324]

if hillary wins, look at it this way: she has on the job training at the position.

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[Gawain 0]

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The left wingers will ask all the right wingers who promised to leave the country if they can buy their airline tickets for them.

"Why are all right wingers so hate-filled?"

Won't that be fun.

I think the difference between then and now is in the path of ideas. In all the slinging the left has thrown at the President over every issue, they have yet to offer a single concise alternative idea.

Also, you won't hear about a bunch of people promising to leave the country if Hillary (or any other democrat) were elected because the "right" doesn't use that frequency of shrill-speak.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[billvon 3,120]

>I think the difference between then and now is in the path of ideas.
>In all the slinging the left has thrown at the President over every
>issue, they have yet to offer a single concise alternative idea.

I've heard dozens, both here and in the larger arena of politics. The conversation usually goes like this:

Dem: We should allow inspectors to finish their inspections; the head of UNMOVIC says they can be done in a few months. Then we can invade if he has them.
Rep: That's the stupidest fucking idea I ever heard. Of course he has WMD's. What, do you want to let him screw us some more?

(later)

Dem: So we invaded for no reason at all?
Rep: How could we have known he had no WMD's? And why is it that the left just complains; they never offer a single alternative plan?

>Also, you won't hear about a bunch of people promising to
>leave the country if Hillary (or any other democrat) were elected
>because the "right" doesn't use that frequency of shrill-speak.

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If Hillary ever gets elected to the oval office......I WILL do what Alec,Whoopi and others have been threatening to do.........I will leave the country. (markd_nscr986)

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Looking at the political landscape today, I believe that Hillary Clinton just might be a viable candidate for President in 2008. If she is ever elected, I'm going to do something that the pissant Alec Baldwin didn't have the balls to do, the lying shit. I WILL leave the country. (random conservative blog)

One of the most cherished beliefs of both the democrats and the republicans is that they are nothing like the other side - even though they are essentially identical in their approach, and prove it at every opportunity.