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Rhys.
I am a conspiracy theorist. I have embraced so many over the years it scares me to think I'm a) that much of a geek and b) that obsessive.
I research the hell out of anything and everything. The 'fake plane' conspiracy is only one of the myriad of the theories out there. I really do not have time to go into huge detail because I have to get off the computer right now.
However, this particular theory relies on supposed anomalies with both the structure of the planes on the video tape and the shape of the explosion.
You can use google to check this out, the same way I did. I dont just read something 'cool' and accept it, I try to debunk it, the same way I try to debunk whatever Bush says, or Clinton said. It's easy to find things that fit with the way your mind accepts reality, its tougher to accept information that directly contradicts that mindset.
In otherwords, do your own damn homework, you already have your mind made up.
1. Planes: the 'expert' analysis is flawed, you can find this on any number of aviation sites where this bullshit theory is discussed
2. Operation Northwoods and PNAC............urm. Ok. Thats a bit of a fucking stretch. Lets also blame a 1950s congressional document regarding targeted biological agents to be proof for the outbreak of AIDS. In otherwords, at the very most they are proof that people can think of some sick shit. I dont agree with PNAC, but I dont think it's a smoking gun.
3. The 'bombs in the buildings' theory has been debunked in various architectural artices and forums by experts in the field, not some wanker at his computer who googled 'detonation of buildings' and thought they looked very similar.
4. WTC7's collapse is a HUGE mystery. Not.
Urm you know what........you already have your mind made up.
There are things about 9/11 that still concern me, and there are some details which do not make sense, but they are not any of the things written about in the article linked to.
Ironically I discovered all this simply so I could prove that the Government did it.................and discovered that was highly unlikely.
TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.
I am a conspiracy theorist. I have embraced so many over the years it scares me to think I'm a) that much of a geek and b) that obsessive.
I research the hell out of anything and everything. The 'fake plane' conspiracy is only one of the myriad of the theories out there. I really do not have time to go into huge detail because I have to get off the computer right now.
However, this particular theory relies on supposed anomalies with both the structure of the planes on the video tape and the shape of the explosion.
You can use google to check this out, the same way I did. I dont just read something 'cool' and accept it, I try to debunk it, the same way I try to debunk whatever Bush says, or Clinton said. It's easy to find things that fit with the way your mind accepts reality, its tougher to accept information that directly contradicts that mindset.
In otherwords, do your own damn homework, you already have your mind made up.
1. Planes: the 'expert' analysis is flawed, you can find this on any number of aviation sites where this bullshit theory is discussed
2. Operation Northwoods and PNAC............urm. Ok. Thats a bit of a fucking stretch. Lets also blame a 1950s congressional document regarding targeted biological agents to be proof for the outbreak of AIDS. In otherwords, at the very most they are proof that people can think of some sick shit. I dont agree with PNAC, but I dont think it's a smoking gun.
3. The 'bombs in the buildings' theory has been debunked in various architectural artices and forums by experts in the field, not some wanker at his computer who googled 'detonation of buildings' and thought they looked very similar.
4. WTC7's collapse is a HUGE mystery. Not.
Urm you know what........you already have your mind made up.
There are things about 9/11 that still concern me, and there are some details which do not make sense, but they are not any of the things written about in the article linked to.
Ironically I discovered all this simply so I could prove that the Government did it.................and discovered that was highly unlikely.
TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.
dammit, if someone would just un-ban eaglenrider, he could explain the whole thing to us!
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Quotedammit, if someone would just un-ban eaglenrider, he could explain the whole thing to us!
LOL!
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i'm not sure of the altitude restriction, but i was present on a c-17 flying at 1500 ft agl in ut during a jumprun where the jm had to call the dz on a cell phone to get them to turn on the radio so they could let us jump. they had gotten there late and we were put on a racetrack while they set the dz up.
then on a flight from omaha to charleston on a commercial jet, i tried my cell at altitude. it had no signal from the time i turned it on(while still climbing, about 5 min after takeoff) until we were under 2000 ft preparing to land.
i did this to see if it really were possible for that dude to have called his wife to say that now familiar catch phrase "let's roll" before the plane went down. i say it was impossible and that there is a lot more to this so called "theory" than will ever be known by the masses.
and for anyone familiar with al bundy, that was his famous quote before getting into any kind of a scrap on the show married with children.
having been in the military for over 11 years, including 5 years in a special forces unit, i am quite the believer in the conspiracy theory. there are too many coincidences there. while i do believe in coincidence, too many put together tells me that there may be more than meets the eye here.
then on a flight from omaha to charleston on a commercial jet, i tried my cell at altitude. it had no signal from the time i turned it on(while still climbing, about 5 min after takeoff) until we were under 2000 ft preparing to land.
i did this to see if it really were possible for that dude to have called his wife to say that now familiar catch phrase "let's roll" before the plane went down. i say it was impossible and that there is a lot more to this so called "theory" than will ever be known by the masses.
and for anyone familiar with al bundy, that was his famous quote before getting into any kind of a scrap on the show married with children.
having been in the military for over 11 years, including 5 years in a special forces unit, i am quite the believer in the conspiracy theory. there are too many coincidences there. while i do believe in coincidence, too many put together tells me that there may be more than meets the eye here.
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Quotei say it was impossible
It was impossible.
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I would say there was plenty of criminal foreknowledge - but who? It's funny this was never investigated. In the weeks before 9/11, Reuters was touting the airlines on Wall Street, yet put options on AA increased some 4000%, and also 5000% on UA in the week before 9/11. All other airlines traded in their normal range. This alone strongly suggests foreknowledge. Now, come on, why was this never looked into, Mr. Bush? And who exactly was buying these contracts? Saudi Arabia, perhaps?
Quotethen on a flight from omaha to charleston on a commercial jet, i tried my cell at altitude. it had no signal from the time i turned it on(while still climbing, about 5 min after takeoff) until we were under 2000 ft preparing to land.
i did this to see if it really were possible for that dude to have called his wife to say that now familiar catch phrase "let's roll" before the plane went down. i say it was impossible and that there is a lot more to this so called "theory" than will ever be known by the masses.
OK everyone listening? good, because this keeps coming up.
Todd Beamer, the "let's roll" guy on flight 93, DID NOT call his wife on his cell phone.
He picked up the ON BOARD PHONE SYSTEM, AND DIALED 0 AND SPOKE TO THE GTE OPERATOR
Not a cell phone. An important distinction.
It's been possible for quite a while: Verizon Airfone is celebrating 20 years of inflight telecommunications!
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Are you saying that GTE is in on the conspiracy???
Interesting... Does it go all the way to the top?
"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."
Interesting... Does it go all the way to the top?
"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."
QuoteI would say there was plenty of criminal foreknowledge - but who? It's funny this was never investigated. In the weeks before 9/11, Reuters was touting the airlines on Wall Street, yet put options on AA increased some 4000%, and also 5000% on UA in the week before 9/11. All other airlines traded in their normal range. This alone strongly suggests foreknowledge. Now, come on, why was this never looked into, Mr. Bush? And who exactly was buying these contracts? Saudi Arabia, perhaps?
Um. Yes it was investigated.
Just because you read it on the intarweb via google does not make it true. There so much bullshit and noise out there, especially on the subject of 9/11 that it would seem to me that blaming anyone for anything would be a sign of extreme shortsightedness, being ignorant of the available and validated facts on the subject, and having no real interest in the truth, only in validating your own prejudices.
I only say this because I used be one of you, then I stopped getting all my information from people that preach to the choir. There is no worldwide media conspiracy to cover this up, it simply doesnt work that way. Yes, the US media SUCKS because its profit driven, but Europe and the rest of the world pick up the slack and rarely are afraid to cover a story like this: for reference go read as many backissues of British and European papers around the buildup of the Iraq war. The reverse is also true, if anyone actually pays attention to any US reporting on foriegn stories that dont involve a war we're currently embroiled in.
Then do some real research into all those inconsistencies that you didnt even think of yourself.
You went to some site that listed them all out for you and linked to media stories as proof. In general they choose one source to link to and load the language of the entire article.
It's like reading one of those email circulars that list the coincidences between JFK and Lincoln.
TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.
Yep. they're all in on it!!
Just goes to show that the desire to come up with some bullshit conspiracy theory is so intense that the theorists never bothered to notice all those little telephone handsets installed in the backs of the airline seats right in front of them.
WTF did you think they were there for???? ( i guess the conspiracy theory is more fun though)
Unlike a mobile phone, the on-board Airfones use a frequency that does not interfere with the plane's communication/navigation system.
Just goes to show that the desire to come up with some bullshit conspiracy theory is so intense that the theorists never bothered to notice all those little telephone handsets installed in the backs of the airline seats right in front of them.
WTF did you think they were there for???? ( i guess the conspiracy theory is more fun though)
Unlike a mobile phone, the on-board Airfones use a frequency that does not interfere with the plane's communication/navigation system.
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QuoteYep. they're all in on it!!
Just goes to show that the desire to come up with some bullshit conspiracy theory is so intense that the theorists never bothered to notice all those little telephone handsets installed in the backs of the airline seats right in front of them.
Unlike a mobile phone, the on-board Airfones use a frequency that does not interfere with the plane's communication/navigation system.
...which means you can NOT call the pilot from the cabin, meaning you can NOT warn him of what's happening in the back... Coincidence? I think not...
"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."
if you want the mysterious coincidences to be there, they will be. That's the way these things work.Quotei am quite the believer in the conspiracy theory. there are too many coincidences there. while i do believe in coincidence, too many put together tells me that there may be more than meets the eye here.
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some people beleive what they read, some beleive what they're told.....
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QuoteHe picked up the ON BOARD PHONE SYSTEM, AND DIALED 0 AND SPOKE TO THE GTE OPERATOR
Damn!! lol
Another reason people believe in the conspiracy theory about the Mystery of the Cell Phone Calls & ignore the Airfones is because many people rarely use the Airfones themselves, mainly because it says on the little sticker that they'll be charged $3.99 per minute.
But maybe Todd Beamer & the rest decided it was OK to splurge a little, given the circumstances.
But maybe Todd Beamer & the rest decided it was OK to splurge a little, given the circumstances.
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I called manifest from my cell while at somewhere between 5500-6000 feet last weekend on the climb to altitude and had 2-3 bars of service and clear voices on the line
Yesterday is history
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And tomorrow is a mystery
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i seem to recall (but i may be wrong) the wife saying she knew it was really him due to the caller id showing his #. and that 'magic bullet' used in the jfk assasination really came from oswald acting alone. and don't forget to leave the milk and cookies out on 24 dec.....
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Nope, Beamer never called his wife. The operator later related what he'd said to her a couple of days later. But other passengers on that flight also made last minute Airfone calls. Maybe you're thinking of one of them.
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QuoteQuoteYep. they're all in on it!!
Just goes to show that the desire to come up with some bullshit conspiracy theory is so intense that the theorists never bothered to notice all those little telephone handsets installed in the backs of the airline seats right in front of them.
Unlike a mobile phone, the on-board Airfones use a frequency that does not interfere with the plane's communication/navigation system.
...which means you can NOT call the pilot from the cabin, meaning you can NOT warn him of what's happening in the back... Coincidence? I think not...
Have you by any chance been on commercial flights? If you take a close look you might notice the intercom they have for the crew...
"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon
Anyone know if this is bollocks or not?
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