Dipshits 5 week long vacation

[funks 1]

I like how they use the term "working" vacation. Can somebody please explain what this fucker has done to deserve a 5 week vacation? Working or not, it is still being labled a VACATION. Kids are dying and this asshole is off smoking cigars and drinking cognac on his front porch

The president -- who is spending a nearly five-week-long working vacation at his Texas ranch -- said in a speech Wednesday that the sacrifices of U.S. troops were "made in a noble cause."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/07/mom.protest/index.html

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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I like how they use the term "working" vacation. Can somebody please explain what this fucker has done to deserve a 5 week vacation? [ou a/reply]

You don't like what our fearless leader is doing but would rather he do more of it than take a break and have a little R&R?

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[rushmc 23]

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I like how they use the term "working" vacation. Can somebody please explain what this fucker has done to deserve a 5 week vacation? Working or not, it is still being labled a VACATION. Kids are dying and this asshole is off smoking cigars and drinking cognac on his front porch

The president -- who is spending a nearly five-week-long working vacation at his Texas ranch -- said in a speech Wednesday that the sacrifices of U.S. troops were "made in a noble cause."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/07/mom.protest/index.html

Ahh yes, the all angry, and inclusive I might add, left wing of the Democratic Party

Stop getting all your news from NPR, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, moveon.org and youngdemocrats.org. Maybe you can wake up a little happier, wash your mouth out with soap and show the President of the US the respect (at least the office) he deserves.

(It would be interesting to know what you thought of the last (admited liar) president we had....hhmmmmm? Don't get me wrong as could care less about him but I do wonder how consistant you are??)

Smile

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[quade 4]

The difference was Clinton was finally forced to admit he got a blow job from an intern and GWB hasn't admitted yet he started a war with a country just because he wanted to.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[tcnelson 1]

...because he wanted to!!!

oh lordy, i had to wipe a tear from my eye on that one!!

presidents aren't supposed to look after national security or anything.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
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[mnealtx 0]

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The difference was Clinton was finally forced to admit he got a blow job from an intern and GWB hasn't admitted yet he started a war with a country just because I THINK he wanted to.

There, fixed that for ya....

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[shropshire 0]

ehh?

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presidents aren't supposed to look after national security

So how exactly was your national security in any serious threat from little old Iraq?

Que to spew out the same old, same old......

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[rushmc 23]

Thats because he didn't

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

You know, I can understand a disagreement on how this war was handled. (I do not mean I agree with you) I also believe that the debate is necessary for a healthy country. What I don't understand is the name calling, anger and intillectual dishonesty. I just don't get it.

The facts (so far) back up the president. It is the black helicopter "theories" that do not.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[AlexCrowley 0]

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ehh?

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presidents aren't supposed to look after national security

So how exactly was your national security in any serious threat from little old Iraq?

Que to spew out the same old, same old......

1. They had WMDs
2. They were sponsoring Al Quiada
3. They bought/tried to buy uranium
4. They had aluminium tubes
5. Saddam was an evil man who killed his own people, a lot.
6. Regime change
7. They had terrorist training camps.
8. The ruling elite were muslims who supported terrorism.
9. The UN were abusing the Oil for Food program.
10. The Iraqi public were ready for democracy and waiting for someone to lead the way.
11. Chalabi was a liar and a fraud and lied to the CIA
12. Saddam was in contravention of UN resolutions w/regards to weapons technology in general.

I make no judgement with this list. I have avoided contentious phrasing. Each item on this list has been quoted by the media (please note, I said MEDIA, not THIS ADMINISTRATION) as a reason why America went to war with Iraq.

[obligatory Rev Bill Hicks Quote]I think the word 'war' is a little misleading, usually a war has two armies fighting each other.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[tcnelson 1]

well...your hindsight appears to be 30/20.

could you say that at the time? i think not. if you would, i wouldn't want you in charge of america's defense.

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Que to spew out the same old, same old......

yep, that spew comes in from all directions doesn't it.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[shropshire 0]

Sorry wrong, I was against the invasion 100% at the time and have seen nothing to change my mind since.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[tcnelson 1]

that's why i don't want you in charge of america's defense.

if you don't see the prudence in preemptive action against a mad man with the ability to kill large amounts of your population then...

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[shropshire 0]

Agh for shame ... and I'd be soooo good at it

Blues,

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[AlexCrowley 0]

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if you don't see the prudence in preemptive action against a mad man with the ability to kill large amounts of your population then...

Personally I think preemptive action is a BAD IDEA© but thats my own philosophy.
Perhaps you could explain how Saddam would have accomplished this mass taking of US lives, because I had thought they didnt actually find WMDs or any long range weapons and that his actual capabilities were more in line with the weapon inspectors than the stories told the CIA by Chalabi.

As someone who tries to pay attention I can confidently say that I recall the point where Bush and his spokesmen stopped making speeches about Saddam's WMDs and instead started refering to discovering the existence of a WMD Weapons Program. If you go through the whitehouse transcripts of the daily briefings around that time you can find that quite clearly. I'm sure some liberal sites must have collected them somewhere. I noticed only because I was studying linguistics at the time for a project I was doing.

For those of you who may be confused:

1. Cut and paste the following to a text file:

-------------------------start--------------------------------

I am going to print the AES encryption algorithm on a t-shirt and send it to my friend overseas, when I get around to it.

// Copyright in this code is held by Dr B. R. Gladman but free direct or

// derivative use is permitted subject to acknowledgement of its origin.

// There are no guarantees of correctness or fitness for purpose.

// Dr B. R. Gladman 

#ifndef AES_H

#define AES_H

const int n_row = 4; // the number or rows in the state

const int n_col = 4; // the number or columns in the

state

const int n_maxr = 14; // the maximum number of cipher

rounds

typedef unsigned char aes_elem; // a finite field element in GF(256)

typedef aes_elem aes_col[n_row]; // a column of four GF(256) elements

typedef aes_col aes_state[n_col];// an array of columns for the state

class aes

{

aes_state key_sch[n_maxr + 1]; // the key schedule

int key_len;

public:

aes(void) : key_len(0) {};

bool key(const void *key, int keylen);

bool encrypt(const void* pt, void* ct) const;

bool decrypt(const void* ct, void* pt) const;

};

#endif

Oooo I'm eeeeeeeeeevil.

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2. Print out, or put txt file onto storage medium.

3. Bury paper or storage medium under flowerbed.

Thats all there is to it. You now have your own illegal weapons program! See how easy that was?

...ok, back to BASE jumping in GTA:SA.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[tcnelson 1]

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Perhaps you could explain how Saddam would have accomplished this mass taking of US lives, because I had thought they didnt actually find WMDs or any long range weapons and that his actual capabilities were more in line with the weapon inspectors than the stories told the CIA by Chalabi.

my point is that when america invaded iraq, several different intelligence agencies believed that saddam had and was looney enough to use WMDs. further, he had been breaking sanctions imposed on him by the UN for a full decade. further, the american congress and the UN passed resolutions allowing america to do what it did.

in short and in my opinion, invading iraq was the correct thing to do given the information available at the time.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[Vallerina 2]

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invading iraq was the correct thing to do given the information available at the time.

You are wrong.

Anyways, once again, Bush is taking long vacations. Does this surprise anyone? He did the same thing in his first year.

There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning

[tcnelson 1]

"you are wrong." that's it. no enlightening explanation. no eureka-like feeling. oh well...whatever.

in closing, "i am right."

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[Vallerina 2]

No, because it's kind of like saying, "Well, from the information I was given when I was five, Santa really did exist."

There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning

[tcnelson 1]

so, based on that, we were all idiots for celebrating christmas and thinking that we got presents from santa.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[Vallerina 2]

Yes, that's exactly what I was saying.

#1 You don't really know all the information the President had.

#2 Going to war based on something that is found later to be false shouldn't be glossed over with, "Well, we thought we were right....oopsy."

There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning

[tcnelson 1]

i am well aware that none of us know what the full extent of what the president did or did not know at the time. that's obvious.

with your philosophy, having thousands of people die due to chemical or nuclear or biological attacks and then responding is preferable to making a preemptive strike when warnings have been given and the international community is in agreement.

sounds like we have a vastly differing opinion on fundamental foreign affairs and national defense.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[Vallerina 2]

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having thousands of people die due to chemical or nuclear or biological attacks

Instead of by bombs and guns? This is where your logic is flawed. Just because a person doesn't approve of one method doesn't mean they disapprove of all methods. War is never the only answer....especially when a good chunk of the country and the rest of the world didn't agree to it in the first place.

There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning

[tcnelson 1]

i'm saying that i believe that it was the correct decision. i'm aware that you don't.

congress agreed and the UN agreed even though there was a dissenting opinion. maybe next time we should wait for a unanimous decision among several million people before action is taken?

war is not good but it is necessary when people with the means and intent threaten ones nation.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[funks 1]

Outside the debate of whether or not the war is justified can anybody justify our President taking a 5 week vacation while people are dying fighting for this country. As far as I am concerned he is disrespecting all the families of soldiers that have died and is basically spitting in the american publics face by doing this. How many of those soldiers probably wish they could take a fucking vacation right now???

A true leader would not take one day of vacation until every last possible troop was brought home safely. Or perhaps that is just my definition of what a true leader is, i dont give a fuck if it took all 8 years of his time in office.

Taking 5 weeks off is blatant disrespect considering the current circumstances.