Bush appoints Bolton to UN - recess appointment

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www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/sns-ap-un-ambassador,1,851071.story?coll=chi-news-hed

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While I have no "facts" to back this up, is it possible that GWB is the most subborn President ever?

I can not recall any President that has ever been so bullheaded.

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[mr2mk1g 10]

in the picture to the left of the article.... anyone else think Bolton has been drinking a really big glass of milk?

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While I have no "facts" to back this up, is it possible that GWB is the most subborn President ever?

I can not recall any President that has ever been so bullheaded.

Uh, huh! Because he doesn't cave in to Democrats attempts to jump start his Lame Duck Presidency, he's bullheaded.

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in the picture to the left of the article.... anyone else think Bolton has been drinking a really big glass of milk?

got Milk! Funny pic

In any case, a lawful but sneaky recess appointment to pass a lawful but sneaky filibuster. Seems fair to me. Quade could just as easily ask if the current senate minority is the most stubborn ever.

Nice thing about recess appointments, we can see if he proves himself between now and January by doing the job. At least the position isn't in limbo anymore.

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While I have no "facts" to back this up, is it possible that GWB is the most subborn President ever?

I can not recall any President that has ever been so bullheaded.

Uh, huh! Because he doesn't cave in to Democrats attempts to jump start his Lame Duck Presidency, he's bullheaded.

Um, I don't care what the politics are - but when you put a man that is that controversial in a spot to represent us to the world? I'm not sure bullheaded is a strong enough word. This is just another step by Bush to make this country into an island.

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Um, I don't care what the politics are - but when you put a man that is that controversial in a spot to represent us to the world? I'm not sure bullheaded is a strong enough word. This is just another step by Bush to make this country into an island.

You're right, it would have been much better to have no one at all.

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Um, I don't care what the politics are - but when you put a man that is that controversial in a spot to represent us to the world? I'm not sure bullheaded is a strong enough word. This is just another step by Bush to make this country into an island.

You're right, it would have been much better to have no one at all.

Well, I doubt that is how I would have handled it. I'm certain there are others out there that could fill the roll. Even when I find the PERFECT candidate for a job I still look for others to fill the roll. Many times that backup is needed despite how much I sell to my clients why the should pick the first/only person I sent over to them.

There are a lot of people in DC with experience - Bolton is the PERFECT and only candidate for the job? If so, then DC is really f'd up

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There are a lot of people in DC with experience - Bolton is the PERFECT and only candidate for the job? If so, then DC is really f'd up

In a two-party system, does anyone honestly think there is such thing as a PERFECT candidate?

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There are a lot of people in DC with experience - Bolton is the PERFECT and only candidate for the job? If so, then DC is really f'd up

In a two-party system, does anyone honestly think there is such thing as a PERFECT candidate?

How about a better candidate? This is a sensitive position and to force someone like Bolton into it?? How does that make sense? Do I have a name for GW...of course not, but he pays Rove the big bucks to do that

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How about a better candidate? This is a sensitive position and to force someone like Bolton into it?? How does that make sense? Do I have a name for GW...of course not, but he pays Rove the big bucks to do that

OK, that's the third time you've bashed Bolton. Do you want to actually explain why you don't like him?

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I can not recall any President that has ever been so bullheaded.

I can think of 2 right off the bat...

Kennedy appointed Thurgood Marshall in recess.
Clinton appointed James Hormel in recess.

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represent us to the world

Ummm, he will represent us to the UN...the SofS represents us to the world...

And technically, since he has not been confirmed by the Senate, he represents the President, not the government of the US.

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Bashed?I wouldn't say that. I think it is obvious in the news the issues for him in this post. Bush seems to have made it his goal to cause further damage within the UN and our relations with the global community. His "my way or the highway" way of doing things may work in the military where people are forced to follow their leader....but he isn't in the military anymore.

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His "my way or the highway" way of doing things may work in the military where people are forced to follow their leader....but he isn't in the military anymore.

1 - have you served? do you understand how chain of command works? or is this just a slam

2 - We could contrast your comment to the democrats "our way or the highway approach" or the "doesn't matter what the content is as long as it's the opposing view way or the highway approach".

It used to be that after elections, the two parties would suspend the mud for a while. Now it's just 24/7/365

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His "my way or the highway" way of doing things may work in the military where people are forced to follow their leader....but he isn't in the military anymore.

1 - have you served? do you understand how chain of command works? or is this just a slam

2 - We could contrast your comment to the democrats "our way or the highway approach" or the "doesn't matter what the content is as long as it's the opposing view way or the highway approach".

It used to be that after elections, the two parties would suspend the mud for a while. Now it's just 24/7/365

Served? No. Chain of command, yes. There are leaders and then there are people that have leadership responsibilities.....however they are often piss poor leaders and do nothing to instill trust or respect into those they command. You don't need to be in the military to understand that. If you want to take it further into some subculture discussion on fraternity...don't bother, I won't delve into that.

My critical nature of politics is not one sided. I have no problem pointing out the issues the Dems have, esp since I am not one. People on this forum seem to forget there are people here that are a bit more dynamic than a restrictive two-party system allows them to be. I tend not to post here anymore because all arguments INSTANTLY go to bi-partisian bullshit. Am I more critical of Bush than others in office right now? Not really - you should hear me talk about Mayor Daley or our Gov. I will be voting for anyone that isn't Daley in our next election - and GASP! - that means I will have to vote Repub!

bottom line, I call out stupid bs no matter which side or sides do it. Both the dems and the gop are good at the mudslinging....however, I think the Repubs have the lead on it with Bush, Cheney and Rove leading the pack.

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I was a Republican fror a long time and when I was young I appreciated Reagan's big-stick foreign policy of the cold war era, because as a nation of individuals and not corporations, I believed Reagan had our best interests at heart.

GW is of another breed, however. Anyone with more than one synapse firing knows Bolton is the wrong guy for the job. He will not be America's ambassador, he will be Wall Street's ambassador. Appointing him to the UN is just like appointing the oil industry lobyist as the White House environmental policy director, who summarily manipulated science and edited peer-reviewed research reports to align with the administration's policies. Bolton went to the same school.

History will not, IMO, look kindly upon Bolton or GWB.

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[Trent 0]

Here's some more bullheaded presidents who made appointments to the ummm... Supreme Court.

Millard Fillmore appoints Benjamin Curtis
Abraham Lincoln appoints David Davis
Teddy Roosevelt appoints Oliver Holmes
George Washington appoints Thomas Johnson

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Oh, hello again!

[quade 4]

My comment about GWB being bullheaded wasn't -just- about this appointment but about how he does virtually -everything-.

He simply does NOT listen to anyone with an opposing viewpoint.

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[Trent 0]

You used his appointment to add one more straw to the camel's back though. Fair enough. My comments are also to shut up some of the whining that what Bush did in this case was wrong, unconstitutional, blah blah. I haven't seen it here yet, but there's plenty going around in the media. So it's nipped in the bud.

As for whether or not Bush listens to anyone, I can't really say... don't know what goes on in his staff meetings.

Oh, hello again!

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Um, I don't care what the politics are - but when you put a man that is that controversial in a spot to represent us to the world? I'm not sure bullheaded is a strong enough word. This is just another step by Bush to make this country into an island.

the UN need someone to shake the "oil for cash" scam people up.

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My comments are also to shut up some of the whining that what Bush did in this case was wrong, unconstitutional, blah blah.

What do wrong and unconstitutional have to do with each other? Many people think gay marriage is wrong, however at this time it is not unconstitutional. While I'd agree that this appointment was not unconstitutional, I'm leaning towards thinking it was "wrong". Appointing Bolton to the UN is like tapping someone who hates environmental regulations to run the EPA.

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yea, he listens to them, just not required to agree with them. The UN is a currupt system, Bolten is a man that want put up with it.

You might think Bush is closed minded, but you can afford to be when your right. The last I heard the Dem's were in 2nd place and therefore the first place team gets to set their agenda.

When and If the Dem's regain control they will have an opportunity to set the agenda. And the other side will be the one's pissed off.

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is like tapping someone who hates environmental regulations to run the EPA.

That's funny. I'd say that tapping someone who hates environmental 'regulations' but loves the environment is exactly what's needed. (Better and more efficient application of fewer, but more meaningful, laws instead of just a lot of them - which is a real problem today.)

{{I know that's not what you meant}}

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Both the dems and the gop are good at the mudslinging....however, I think the Repubs have the lead on it with Bush, Cheney and Rove leading the pack.

Bo, this is just flat plain incorrect.

If this were true, then Borking would have come from the Republicans and not the Democrats.

I challenge you to find ONE Carter or Clinton nominee who has been castigated, vilified, and undergone the character assasination inflicted upon either John Ashcroft or Clarence Thomas. If what you stated above is true, then you should have no problem in doing so. I don't think you can.

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