"Over There" on FX

[jkm2500 0]

I watched the first in a series last night. In my opinion the show was ridiculous from the outset, and not based on any one person's experiences in Iraq. "Over There" attempts to demonize the soldiers that are serving over there. The depiction of the characters is terrible. The group of 6-8 soldiers walk around calling each other by nicknames, and doing things that are against policy. Making this the perfect propaganda against the action in Iraq.

The plot was terrible and the military obviously had no oversight in the making of this series. This is especially apparent when the company commander has his chin strap on upside down. The troops portrayed are undisciplined, and claim that they are not there for th oil.....just to kick Iraqi asses. In the concluding scene a couple of these troops are stowing away in a convoy to go to anouther "supply dump" a couple miles away to get some booze sent over in Listerine bottles. The convoy pulls to the side of the road and one truck runs over a mine. One of soldiers is severly injured, and they quickly toss (and I do mean toss) him onto a stretcher and into a Huey.

I won't say that I agree with everything that is going on over there. However, it seems to me that demnizing the people that are willing to go out and insure the freedoms that you and I enjoy is a good idea.

I spent 356 days there, and very little in this show actually happened, or is happening there. I think the show is garbage.

The primary purpose of the Armed Forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise.

[Hackb431 0]

Damn I missed the show but was looking forward to it hoping it would give some of these whinny bastards that have not served the opportunity to see what life can really be like.

FYI I did 2 tours with the 31st Infantry in the Stan and have never been to Iraq.

HackB A.K.A. "Puppy"

[kelel01 1]

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very little in this show actually happened

Explain this to me. It was on video, correct?

[tcnelson 1]

yeah, i was hoping that they wouldn't fuck it up but, i wasn't holding my breath.

hollywood is notorious for being filled with non-knowing, love-to-hear-my-own-voice windbags that wouldn't realize life happening around them if it was stapled to their simpleton foreheads.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
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[tcnelson 1]

he means the show is inaccurate and weak entertainment value only.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
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[kelel01 1]

If they actually did those things, and it was captured on video, how was it inaccurate? It might not be an accurate depiction of the AVERAGE squadron, but these events he speaks of HAPPENED. They weren't puppets acting out these soldiers' lives.

[tcnelson 1]

they didn't actually do those things. that's the point. the show is complete fiction.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
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[AggieDave 6]

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If they actually did those things, and it was captured on video, how was it inaccurate?

Uhhh...this is a ficitonal story shown in a documentary style. It has a writer, a director and actors, not soldiers in real combat.

Infact, this is listed: "Plot Outline: A dramatized take on war in Iraq. "

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[kelel01 1]

Ohhhhhhh . . . *light bulb*

Ok. Then I can certainly understand the frustration. Wow, it sounds like a pretty freakin' dumb idea for a tv show. I never paid attention to the commercials, but I thought it was a reality show, with a much more serious undertone than most.

[waltappel 1]

I caught the last half of the show and thought it was pretty well done. I was not looking at it for factual details--hell, it's a fictional TV show!--just for entertainment

Speaking of entertainment, the scene where they were blowing away all those Muslims in the sandstorm rocked!

There was a scene where the upper half of a Muslim guy's body was vaporized by an M203 and for a second or so, the Muslim's body from the waste down was just kinda standing there like some totally bizarre jeans ad or something. Whoops! Say "hi" to Allah when you see him, Akmed!

Walt

[wmw999 2,565]

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Speaking of entertainment, the scene where they were blowing away all those enemy in the sandstorm rocked!

There was a scene where the upper half of a enemy guy's body was vaporized by an M203 and for a second or so, the enemy's body from the waste down was just kinda standing there like some totally bizarre jeans ad or something. Whoops!

Here's how to say the same thing and not sound like a bigot.
Yes, I'll probably get banned for it. But fuck, it's worth it.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Elisha 1]

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Here's how to say the same thing and not sound like a bigot.
Wendy W.

Nah, someone will still feel that it was bigotted, and if you really think about, it still is, but I think your statement (or should I say his) is about as close to "not like a bigot" as you could get.

[Hackb431 0]

I second that Wendy.

I don't want to speak out of place but after reading a few of your posts Walt it seems like you have some pent up rage. I am just curious where it comes from.

Without sounding like a complete buttmonkey myself after two tours overseas I know where my prejudice comes from. But I am activley trying to get over it since I have been back. It's hard but I am getting better.

Just don't get me drunk and ask me to tell war stories cause I revert right back to it. And I don't like that side of me.

HackB A.K.A. "Puppy"

[gemini 0]

Even if you get banned Wendy, I will still jump with you!

Blue skies,

Jim

[waltappel 1]

Folks, we are talking TV-land here! If it makes you feel any better, if it were Christians killing in the name of their God, I would have been cheering on the killing of Christians.

Same for Jews or anyone else for that matter.

Pent-up rage? Maybe. Personally I think it is a massive amount of not-so-pent-up disgust at the dispicable things that religious fanatics of all flavors can commit in the name of their religion.

I don't understand religious people. Not at all. Not one bit. Even the nice ones, and most are, I just don't understand them. Either I am totally clueless for not seeing something that is very obvious to the rest of the world or they are so mind-numbingly gullible that I can hardly even comprehend it.

I see organized religion as being a control mechanism to try and tame some of the natural chaos. It can be used for good or evil. If good comes of it, right on! When evil comes of it, I don't hide my disgust.

In general, organized religion to me seems like one psychotically out-of-control practical joke, and when someone uses that joke as a basis for "justifying" doing horrendous things to innocent people, I reserve the right to laugh and cheer when a *fictional* TV show shows them getting their due.

And Wendy, my feelings are not about "us vs. the enemy". It is about murderous thugs getting what is coming to them.

Muslim != murderous thug in all cases, but nutcase_religious_fanatic_killing_in_the_name_of_god = murderous thug.

Walt

p.s. Wendy, just for the record. I've always thought you were really cool. I still do and always will, regardless of what you think of me or my bizarre ramblings.

[Hackb431 0]

I can agree with you on one point at least....It makes me sick as well some things people do in the name of religion.

Well maybe 2 points cause from what I have read Wendy is a pretty cool woman.

And I am out........

HackB A.K.A. "Puppy"

[waltappel 1]

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I can agree with you on one point at least....It makes me sick as well some things people do in the name of religion.

Well maybe 2 points cause from what I have read Wendy is a pretty cool woman.

And I am out........

Even though she will probably deny this, I have met Wendy in person a few times. She's pretty much the same in person as she is in her posts, which is to say, pretty hard not to like.

Walt

[TomAiello 26]

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very little in this show actually happened

Explain this to me. It was on video, correct?

I'm pretty sure I saw E.T. on video, too.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[kelel01 1]

I explanied what I meant. I thought it was an actual documentary/reality show.

And ET might be real. Open up your mind.

[wmw999 2,565]

Without the quote marks, it's hard to tell how deep into the character you're getting. Really. But I'd've posted the same thing in reply no matter who said it, too.

That said, I've always found studying extremely religious people, who are willing to bound their lives significantly, to be interesting. They seem to explore in different directions from most of the people I know, and can find enormous satisfaction. Without being smug.

Of course, then there are the ones who know exactly what God is thinking, and would love nothing better than to beat you about the head and shoulders until you agree.

Now, enough of the fest or we'll all get kicked out of here and have to talk about sex . I can remember a discussion in the IBM building about language, Walt... Walt's a thoughtful guy, but obviously a little misguided

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[TomAiello 26]

Sorry. I hadn't gotten to the bottom of the thread. I am just often taken aback by the number of people I meet who think "well if it's on TV it must be real."

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[tigra 0]

The previews I've seen for the show do make it seem like its a "real" documentary type show with "real" soldiers and "real" footage. Kind of misleading. (I didn't actually watch the show either. Sounds like I didn't miss much!)

[waltappel 1]

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Now, enough of the fest or we'll all get kicked out of here and have to talk about sex . I can remember a discussion in the IBM building about language, Walt... Walt's a thoughtful guy, but obviously a little misguided

Wendy W.

How DARE you call me thoughtful!!!!

Walt

[RastaRicanAir 0]

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hollywood is notorious for being filled with non-knowing, love-to-hear-my-own-voice windbags that wouldn't realize life happening around them if it was stapled to their simpleton foreheads.

The IRONY of that statement being posted on the Speaker's Corner just burned out my f*cking hard drive.


(EDIT: This post is not directed to ANYONE in particular. If you took it personally, go beat your dog until you feel better. I'm out....)

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[wmw999 2,565]

Now that's twice I've laughed out loud about dz.com today...
And in SC both times no less

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)