Blair hitting the nail on the head!

[rehmwa 2]

That's probably a kinder way of putting it than I did. Once again you deflate my balloon.

Can I buy you a house?

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[billvon 3,131]

>But, if she get the nomination, I have one vote. I'll use it as I see best.

I hope she doesn't get nominated, because I don't think she'd make a very good president. But I have a feeling that we will once again get asked to choose the least of two evils.

[wmw999 2,600]

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Can I buy you a house?

Only if it's made of glass -- I have some stone-throwing to do

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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>but I have never seen any star wars movie....

Palpatine was a senator who used a manufactured crisis to take over a government and seat himself as emperor. Let's see if I can find that quote -

Palpatine - "In order to insure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire … for a safe and secure society!" [applause]

Amidala - "So this is how liberty dies … with thunderous applause."

you aren't implying that terrorism is imaginary or that 9/11 was staged by the US government right?

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[storm1977 0]

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Do you think the Cops in England who shot
a guy in the back of the Head 5 times were
Justified?

To be honest, I have very mixed opinions about it. I can understand their action, though the end result makes me very uneasy. Now the question for me is: Am I uneasy because of the end result or because of the action.

I would really love to know which one it is....

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[billvon 3,131]

>you aren't implying that terrorism is imaginary or that 9/11 was
> staged by the US government right?

No.

[storm1977 0]

just wanted to clear that up bill.
There are some crazies on here who would....

I had one last week telling me about the 9/11 conspiracy that it wasn't even a passenger plane that hit the WTC. I guess I must have been imagining it then that day as I was evacuated from my plane at LGA.

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[SpeedRacer 1]

you should read the eaglenrider posts then.

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just wanted to clear that up bill.
There are some crazies on here who would....

I had one last week telling me about the 9/11 conspiracy that it wasn't even a passenger plane that hit the WTC. I guess I must have been imagining it then that day as I was evacuated from my plane at LGA.

I think the claim was that it wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon. The claim was that it was a missile fired from a US Military Aircraft.

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While rejecting suggestions he had claimed the London bombings had nothing to do with Iraq, Blair said there was no justification for terrorism.

Classic Bliar comment. The man is a genius.

[mr2mk1g 10]

It seems Mrs. Blair doesn't entirely agree with her husband: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/PA_NEWA19526691122420252A00?source=PA%20Feed&ct=5

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"September 11 for me was a wake up call. Do you know what I think the problem is? That a lot of the world woke up for a short time and then turned over and went back to sleep again," he said.

The problem is the general public in the west who forgot about terrorism after Sept 11th? Is he for real?! Most of the people i know here in London have thought it's not IF we get hit but WHEN. Does he think us seeing stuff on the news about the emergency services preparing for a gas attack on the tube last year is somehting we are going to watch and forget about or not take seriously? Is he really insinuating that the problem is we forgot about the fact thousands of people got killed only 4 years ago in one of the worlds most awful events that transpired on live television around the world?!

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"We are not going to deal with this problem, with the roots as deep as they are, until we confront these people at every single level. And not just their methods but their ideas," Blair said.

So, you do this by having your govt deny there is any connection between us going into Iraq, when a million people in London march against the war in the first place, when a poll asking adult Muslims if they feel that the UK going into Iraq has anything to do with the attacks and 58% feel it has "a lot" to do with them, and 21% think it has "a little" to do with it, and only 10% think it had nothing to do with it?

(ICM poll http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2005/Guardian%20-%20muslims%20july05/Guardian%20Muslims%20jul05.asp)

This sounds like the ramblings of a politician wanting to be seen to be doing the right thing, because he knows he is a hairs breadth away from a public uprising over the public directing their attention back to his governments foreign policy that has had a direct impact on why people are blowing themselves up in our city.

"Skydiving is a door"
Happythoughts

[shropshire 0]

Spot on .... IMHO Good post.

Maybe he should pull the nail out of his head and his finger out of his arse and mix it with the people for a change... Politicians are so safe behind their security cordon, no wonder that they are so out of touch with reality.
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(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[storm1977 0]

If you really think Iraq is the Cause of terrorism in London, you are fooling yourself, not looking at the real cause, and are only setting yourself up for more attacks in the future.

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[Ripple 0]

Perhaps you should be telling that to the 58%.

Next Mood Swing: 6 minutes

[storm1977 0]

And maybe those 58% should do a little reaserch on Muslim extremism throughout the globe during the past 100 years.
Maybe they should ask themselves what caused each incident.

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If you really think Iraq is the Cause of terrorism in London, you are fooling yourself, not looking at the real cause, and are only setting yourself up for more attacks in the future.

I did not say it was the cause, i simply said 58% of adult Muslims believed the move into Iraq to have been a strong contributing factor to the attacks here - and i'm inclined to believe them, and why shouldn't we? It does not mean we have had the attacks solely based on going into Iraq, i do believe it's what has effectively been the straw that has broken the camels back however.

"Skydiving is a door"
Happythoughts

[storm1977 0]

we will agree to disagree...
I don't think it is the straw that broke the proverblial camels back.
I think it is an excuse. These terrorist come up with different excuses every week. With us in the US, they used to say it was because of our support of Isreal. Then after we SAVED Kuait from Iraq, it was because we had troops in Saudi Arabia. We were protecting them by the way with their approval so SH didn't attack them.
Then we pulled the troops out of Saudi and it was something different.

Go read my post of an article from Newsweek.
It is an excelent history on Islamo-faciasts throughout the world. Hanson, the auther makes some valid points about how these people only attack who they concider weak. The fact is the chinese have been really bad to muslims, but they are afraid of them and won't attack them... Same with India.

It is interesting to note that following Sept 11th Mohamed Atta's Fater was on tv saying his son would never have done this, this can't be the work of muslims etc.... Why?
Because he was affraid of what the US might do to him.
4 yrs later we haven't touched him and now he is on TV praising his son and saying he would use the Interview money to pay for more terrorist bombings. Why? because he has nothing to fear.

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[wmw999 2,600]

A small question. Who is more likely to know a number of people who might become Islamic terrorists, and who is more likely to be able to understand the rationalizations of people who might become Islamic terrorists?

A politician in the US
A researcher in the US
A middle-class Muslim with ties to many other Muslims?

Do you go to outside experts or skydivers for information about skydiving?

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Newbie 0]

I read that article - it lays out some valid points, but essentially it's one persons point of view. If Hanson was an Islamic extremist i would probably add more weight to what he is saying, but in the meanwhile i will probably listen more to what Osama Bin Laden says about why he is spearheading the movements and terrorist attacks we in the west are seeing.

You can read a transcript of the televised speech that he made just before the US election last year, which says a fair amount, not least of which the fact he lays claim to what was a major turning point for him was US involvement with Lebanon in 1982, and the subsequent wars in Iraq.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm

"Skydiving is a door"
Happythoughts

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Maybe he should pull his finger out of his arse and mix it with the people for a change... .

I'd much rather he didn't......

[shropshire 0]

Oh, I don't know.... any port in a storm

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If you really think Iraq is the Cause of terrorism in London, you are fooling yourself, not looking at the real cause, and are only setting yourself up for more attacks in the future.

Storm mate, you are wrong. Newbie is absolutely correct that Londoners were just waiting for an attack after Bliar involved us in Georgies war on Terrrrrrr.

Plenty of us could smell the bullshit when Bliar was trying to prepare us for the invasion 4 years ago, we didn't believe the WMD claims, or the importing of uranium from Niger, or the idea that the British Isles were in danger from SH. It was blatantly obvious that Bush had an invasion plan and Bliar was aware of the schedule. And we've been proven right.

Bliar was a liar then. He is a liar now. London would not have been targeted but for his twattish policies. He knows that, which is why not he plays this stupid lawyer game of saying he did not say Iraq played no part in the bombing of London - he knows full well it did, and a denial may come back to haunt him just like with his other lies.

What is so sad is that so many Brits at all levels are so dim and/or so uninterested and/or so self-serving that they keep letting him get away with this shit.

[shropshire 0]

Spot on.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[wmw999 2,600]

You can't possibly know how all Londoners think and why. Only someone in the US, preferably in the current administration, can.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)