rwieder 0 #1 July 26, 2005 As most of you know, i make my living searching for, and retrievieng hydrocarbons. I'm all about being energy independent. But BS like this (see URL) is hardly condusive to achievieng this objective. Even though i've traveled the globe and have been in many foriegn countries drilling for oil & natural gas i have always felt like we, as americans could, if we wanted to, be energy independent. I really can't stand depending on other countries for our energy needs. See what you think about the article. Go Here P.S. May God be with the brave souls on board the shuttle this morning.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #2 July 26, 2005 people just don't get it.... They same ones opposing some of the measures in the bill are the same ones who 4 years ago were ranting on how we needed to cut ties with the middle east. (Granted most of our oil isn't from there but still) ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias 0 #3 July 26, 2005 So why is the US so hard headed when it comes to alternitive energy sources? Greed? Lack of technology? Or just lack of policies to inforce new habits? We better be keeping Mexico and Canada in good relations with us. We depend on them far to much right now. Carpe Diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #4 July 26, 2005 >So why is the US so hard headed when it comes to alternitive >energy sources? Greed? Greed and laziness, primarily. Gasoline is cheap. Alternatives are not as easy to find as gas stations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #5 July 26, 2005 QuoteSo why is the US so hard headed when it comes to alternitive energy sources? Greed? Lack of technology? Or just lack of policies to inforce new habits? We better be keeping Mexico and Canada in good relations with us. We depend on them far to much right now. If you read the energy Bill you will see, there are measures to get new technologies for alternative energy. However, as the article says... Senetors and Represenatives are ripping this thing apart. I would guess it is due to Special Interest groups and lobbiests. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #6 July 26, 2005 QuoteI would guess it is due to Special Interest groups and lobbiests. ya think? And I bet the list includes both conservative (typ) and liberal (typ) SI groups (any group not on the plan is likely all over it with complaints and calling in whatever favors they might have to discredit it) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #7 July 26, 2005 Thomas Friedman, a columnist for the NYTimes, summed it up - we need a modern "Manhattan" project to develop new sources of energy. The long term survival of our society and way of life depends upon it.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #8 July 27, 2005 we also need somehow to get rid of special interest groups. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #9 July 27, 2005 Hey, BTW whatever happened to all the talking head conservatives I used to know that liked to say "Better dead than RED" Have they all turned into a bunch of pussies that would trade the USA for a warm bed and a cozy dictatorship?illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #10 July 27, 2005 QuoteHey, BTW whatever happened to all the talking head conservatives I used to know that liked to say "Better dead than RED" Have they all turned into a bunch of pussies that would trade the USA for a warm bed and a cozy dictatorship? Sure seems like it when you read the stuff the cons. are posting here. Of course, it's different when the dictator is their guy.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #11 July 27, 2005 >Have they all turned into a bunch of pussies that would trade the >USA for a warm bed and a cozy dictatorship? "He who gives up essential security for a few minor freedoms deserves neither freedom nor security" - the new neocon mantra Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #12 July 27, 2005 I know what a conservative is (...I am one). But WTF is a neo-conservative? Sounds like something out of The Matrix.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #13 July 27, 2005 WTF is up with MSNBC's website? Everytime I go there the frickin page takes forever to load, and then re-loads itself a bunch of times. I don't seem to have this problem with any other news website. Anyone else notice this? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #14 July 27, 2005 Actually there was another thread on here discussing alt. energy sources, and why don't people buy hybrids and/or cars that run on biodiesel etc. And most of the posters on here complained about how much it would cost to buy a new car like that. So that is why we can't get off our petroleum habit. If we do, its the people themselves who have to change. The average Joe & Jane Sixpacks. Yeah, it would cost $ to go out & buy a biodiesel/hybrid, but until WE AS A PEOPLE just suck it up & start buying low/alt-energy vehicles, things won't change. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #15 July 27, 2005 I thought we were using up all their oil now so when they run out we will still have our oil. Ooooooo....things will certainly change then!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #16 July 27, 2005 QuoteI thought we were using up all their oil now so when they run out we will still have our oil. Ooooooo....things will certainly change then! Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding!!! We have a winner!So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #17 July 27, 2005 >I thought we were using up all their oil now so when they run out we will still have our oil. Not a bad strategy, as long as we don't do stupid things like draining our last remaining reserves dry. But I have a feeling we will. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #18 July 27, 2005 We'll wait until we have very very little left (after all, there's still room before the credit limit, right?). Then we'll like the people who suddenly realize that a $30,000 credit limit with a $25,000 income isn't such a cool thing after all. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #19 July 28, 2005 QuoteI know what a conservative is (...I am one). But WTF is a neo-conservative? Sounds like something out of The Matrix. www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/quiz/neoconQuiz.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #20 July 28, 2005 how 'bout that...i'm a realist. keep it real yo!! "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #21 July 28, 2005 QuoteI know what a conservative is (...I am one). But WTF is a neo-conservative? Sounds like something out of The Matrix. Listen to Pat Buchanan. He is an OLD SCHOOL conservative. The stuff about a smaller government, preserving America's interest first, no welfare state, etc. Buchanan views the Neo-Cons as Liberals in Conservtive clothing. IE, they want a HUUUGE GOVERNMENT BUDGET (but they want it to pay for going around the world & imposing American hegemony). Basically, Neo-Cons = Imperialists. Which is very expensive, and runs 180 degrees counter to the idea of a small government that leaves everyone alone. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #22 July 28, 2005 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8705656/ copy and paste the URL. i just clicked on my "clicky" and didn't experience any difficulties. hope this works.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #23 July 28, 2005 QuoteQuoteI know what a conservative is (...I am one). But WTF is a neo-conservative? Sounds like something out of The Matrix. Listen to Pat Buchanan. He is an OLD SCHOOL conservative. The stuff about a smaller government, preserving America's interest first, no welfare state, etc. Buchanan views the Neo-Cons as Liberals in Conservtive clothing. IE, they want a HUUUGE GOVERNMENT BUDGET (but they want it to pay for going around the world & imposing American hegemony). Basically, Neo-Cons = Imperialists. Which is very expensive, and runs 180 degrees counter to the idea of a small government that leaves everyone alone. exactly. the amount of spending the last couple of years would give Tip O'neal a hard on if he were still with us.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
