rehmwa 2 #51 July 28, 2005 Quoteokay, fine, change 'we' to 'our ancestors'. and I think the point is totally valid - we are all immigrants - 1 - I am not an immigrant. 2 - This is a different world than back then. Surprise, the rules have changed to fit the present context. 3 - Are you even differentiating between legal and illegal immigration? If illegals came blazing away/buying/integrating (there were many mechanisms in addition to raping and pillaging ) we'd fight them and either win or lose (right or wrong). That's what I'd do. What would you do? Lay back and take it because that's what you imagine the 'vicims' in history had to have done? How is that justice? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #52 July 28, 2005 QuoteDoes might make right? Not always 'right'. But that's different from it just being the way it used to be way back then. We avoid those attitudes by having laws concerning immigration etc. Then might is used to enforce laws that most see as fair. We can't change the past, nor can we somehow fix history by making stupid decisions in the present (kind of like cutting off a limb to make up for your uncle's indiscretions - it helps no one and only shows you are pathetic and easily guilted into dumb things), we can only do what's right going forward. {{the next response is the same old thing about learning from the past. learning from the past to temper today's actions is good, self flagellation about the past is a waste of energy}} ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #53 July 30, 2005 For those interested in hearing more from Victor Hanson on preventative defense, the role of the UN, and the U.S. in Iraq check out: http://www.uncommonknowledge.org/900/939.html Some context: Victor Hanson is Hoover Institute Fellow, which is fairly conservative place (just in case anyone wasn’t already aware of that). Steve Stedman is affiliated with Stanford’s CISAC, generally a more liberal leaning place. Steve was tapped to chair Annan’s High Level on Threats, Challenges and Change. I don’t know Slaughter. Even within those characterizations, broad generalizations are difficult, e.g., Sid Drell (physics prof, former Stanford Linear Accelerator deputy director, and co-founder of the JASONs) co-founded CISAC and is a Hoover Fellow. Condoleeza Rice came to Stanford as a CISAC fellow. Uncommon Knowledge is funded by the Olin Foundation, which generally supports more conservative endeavors, e.g., Harvard’s Olin Institute, which is similar in outlook to Hoover. marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites