kelel01 1 #26 July 25, 2005 Wait, you're linking to the same thread? Guess I was right in not clicking on it before. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #27 July 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMakes me wonder about the hiring practices of PD and the citizenship of the PD employees. Walt Why should it? Plenty of legal immigrants can't speak English well. Things like this are how they learn. What surprised me is the mental picture of a workplace with a *large percentage* of people who could not speak English. Maybe that's an inaccurate picture--I don't know. Walt Live in Florida sometime. I hope to live in Florida sometime. I've visited there a couple of times and loved it. Not so much southern FL (seems very overpopulated), but the rest of it had a great vibe. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccowden 0 #28 July 25, 2005 Yes, actually I have. Impossible? Probably not. But in some cases, pretty close to it. The simple fact is that they CAN move to America and give themselves and their family a better life BEFORE they learn the language. It is part of what makes America great. It is much easier for them to move first, then learn the language than someone from America to learn a language and then move. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #29 July 25, 2005 There are plenty of immigration debates in SC. Go there if you want another one.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #30 July 25, 2005 QuoteWait, you're linking to the same thread? Guess I was right in not clicking on it before. I thought I was linking to a specific POST in the thread. Was I not? Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #31 July 25, 2005 Yeah . . . but we already read it. I HEARD YA THE FIRST TIME! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashtanga 0 #32 July 25, 2005 I think our accountant at the hotel will agree with you. He has several spanish housekeepers come into his office and start talking to him about their paychecks and benefits in spanish. He doesn't speak a hint of spanish and watching him trying to communicate with them is pretty funny to watch. He keeps saying to them, "No habla espanol. No habla espanol." They continue to talk to him in spanish. It drives him nuts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #33 July 25, 2005 QuoteYeah . . . but we already read it. I HEARD YA THE FIRST TIME! Gee, gimme a break! The "hate mail" is coming in faster than I can respond! Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #34 July 25, 2005 Well, we're doing our best to keep you busy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #35 July 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteYeah . . . but we already read it. I HEARD YA THE FIRST TIME! Gee, gimme a break! The "hate mail" is coming in faster than I can respond! Walt Damn a bash someone thread and I'm not the one responsible! I love it! "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #36 July 25, 2005 QuoteWell, we're doing our best to keep you busy. That's ok--I love all of you guys anyway!! Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #37 July 25, 2005 QuoteDamn a bash someone thread and I'm not the one responsible! I love it! So YOU are the one that started the trend! Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #38 July 25, 2005 QuoteI think our accountant at the hotel will agree with you. He has several spanish housekeepers come into his office and start talking to him about their paychecks and benefits in spanish. He doesn't speak a hint of spanish and watching him trying to communicate with them is pretty funny to watch. He keeps saying to them, "No habla espanol. No habla espanol." They continue to talk to him in spanish. It drives him nuts. When they truly learn the American culture they will understand that the appropriate response is to keep speaking Spanish, but do it LOUDER! Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #39 July 25, 2005 QuoteQuote What surprised me is the mental picture of a workplace with a *large percentage* of people who could not speak English. Maybe that's an inaccurate picture--I don't know. Nope, totally accurate. I am very surprised that you, being from Texas, have trouble with a mental picture of a large workplace where a large percentage of the employees don't speak english very well. Is that too "Speaker's Corner?" No, but my response probably would be. Not that it would be anything all that inflammatory IMO, but it would get longish and a bit political. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #40 July 25, 2005 I've moved most of this thread into Speaker's Corner.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #41 July 25, 2005 This thread has driven home to me how lucky I am. I'm lucky because even though I live in America, I come from a country where English is the native language. I'm lucky because I speak English natively, I get to avoid 95% of the horseshit like this that gets heaped on most imigrants. Yay me. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #42 July 25, 2005 QuoteI'm lucky because I speak English natively, I get to avoid 95% of the horseshit like this that gets heaped on most imigrants. Do you not think someone who lives in a country should learn the language? Good for PD for making it possible, but big kudos to the people who are trying to learn it. I think part of citizenship should be a basic ability to speak the language. I would not dream of moving to another country and not trying to learn the language."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #43 July 25, 2005 My Spanish instructor told us that if, we weren't speaking the language properly... yelling does'nt make it understood any better. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #44 July 25, 2005 I think you misunderstand. Kudos to the employees for admitting their weaknesses. Kudos to PD for thinking out of the box and providing relevant benefits. Shame on anyone who automatically assumes that someone who can't read is an illegal alien. I too would not dream of living in a foreign country without trying to learn the language. Conincidentally, that's exactly what started this thread - people trying to learn the local language. I object (strongly) to the notion that imigrants have the requirement to learn not only to speak, but to read and write the language BEFORE they immigrate. That's just offensive, and I'm lucky that I don't have that standard applied to me. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #45 July 25, 2005 QuoteKudos to the employees for admitting their weaknesses. Kudos to PD for thinking out of the box and providing relevant benefits. Shame on anyone who automatically assumes that someone who can't read is an illegal alien. I too would not dream of living in a foreign country without trying to learn the language. Conincidentally, that's exactly what started this thread - people trying to learn the local language. agreed QuoteI object (strongly) to the notion that imigrants have the requirement to learn not only to speak, but to read and write the language BEFORE they immigrate. That's just offensive, and I'm lucky that I don't have that standard applied to me. Did I say BEFORE they immigrate? Nope. I said before CITIZENSHIP. There is a big difference between the two."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #46 July 25, 2005 QuoteDid I say BEFORE they immigrate? Nope. I said before CITIZENSHIP. There is a big difference between the two. You didn't. The poster I was replying to, and the post that started this thread did. Hence my post. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #47 July 25, 2005 QuoteYou didn't. The poster I was replying to, and the post that started this thread did. Hence my post. Ah I see sorry I thought you were addressing me... How do you feel about people being able to speak/write at some level to become a citizen of that country?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #48 July 25, 2005 QuoteShame on anyone who automatically assumes that someone who can't read is an illegal alien. Shame on you and everyone else who ASSUMED that I assumed that! In fact, I did NOT assume that, nor did I state it. Quote I too would not dream of living in a foreign country without trying to learn the language. So that makes it ok to bash someone who brings up the topic? Quote I object (strongly) to the notion that imigrants have the requirement to learn not only to speak, but to read and write the language BEFORE they immigrate. That's just offensive, and I'm lucky that I don't have that standard applied to me. Doesn't take much to offend you does it? Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #49 July 25, 2005 QuoteMy Spanish instructor told us that if, we weren't speaking the language properly... yelling does'nt make it understood any better. Chuck Your Spanish instructor was, of course, quite correct, but it has mystified me for a very long time why Americans seem to think that speaking English LOUDLY when they are in a foreign country will help people understand them. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #50 July 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteDid I say BEFORE they immigrate? Nope. I said before CITIZENSHIP. There is a big difference between the two. You didn't. The poster I was replying to, and the post that started this thread did. Hence my post. _Am And I stand by that. How often have you heard people bashing Americans for not learning the languages/cultures of countries they visit and arrogantly expecting the locals to cater to their ignorance? I have heard that kind of bashing plenty and I happen to agree with the criticism. I am an American and I think it is a real embarrassment when an American goes to another country and shows that type of arrogance. My opinion doesn't change when the situation is reversed. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
