tough guys huh?

[billvon 3,116]

>Its not the soldier that pulled out, it was the Government...

Ah. Well, in that case, it's not the mercenary who sent himself there, it was his employer. So your calling the Philippines cowards is still just like Botellines calling mercenaries cowards. Even though you called Philippines cowards rather than their government, you really _meant_ their government - right?

[Ron 10]

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Getting shot in this situation doesn't accomplish much. I believe in accomplishments.

I don't think you would understand.

I understand that if you want to stand for something you have to ACTUALLY STAND for it, not hide and talk big.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[juanesky 0]

You might as well tell the same thing to people such as the Canadien WWII veterans, and much part of our collective history, when people are not offered any other choice but to make a stand for what they believe in, even while putting their live's on the line.

If the world was such a dandy place, then we just should ignore that historically, men have fought wars since his earliest existance in this earth.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[Ron 10]

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>Its not the soldier that pulled out, it was the Government...

Ah. Well, in that case, it's not the mercenary who sent himself there, it was his employer. So your calling the Philippines cowards is still just like Botellines calling mercenaries cowards. Even though you called Philippines cowards rather than their government, you really _meant_ their government - right?

Not even close Bill.

The contractors went of their own free will. Soldiers go on orders.

Botellines called the contractors cowards, not the employer.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[mr2mk1g 10]

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Do you have a good word for a guy that talks big, but only when he will never have to back anything up?

Yeah, there's probably a good name out there for him too.

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Also you will notice I didn't hit they guy that called me a coward....I did ask him if thats what he said.

Yeah, my beef's not with you man. I'm simply concerned about the fact that you seemed to be intimating that no one could criticize anyone in Iraq unless they were willing to do so to their face and that they should be afraid to do so because the contractor would then beat them up.

That sparks my brain off into some cyclic catch-22 because I'm not terribly enamored by the concept of someone who would beat you up if you criticized them while in striking distance That in itself would lead me to want to criticize them... which I can't do unless I do so to their face, but I ought to be scared of that because they would beat me up... which again makes me want to criticize them...

The whole thing then spins round and round till the world stops and Superman can go back and save that woman's life.

Seemed like something about the situation had to be wrong somehow.

[kelel01 1]

So basically, you're saying that you have to be willing to DIE for everything you believe, or every opinion you have. I can believe someone's a coward, or a heartless bastard . . . but knowing that they might shoot me in the face might make it not worth saying directly to them.

Your point makes no sense.

[billvon 3,116]

>The contractors went of their own free will. Soldiers go on orders.

Both the US and the Philippines have volunteer armies. No one is forced to serve. Try again! Surely there is an angle you can find that makes it OK for you to call people cowards while still dissing other people for it.

[Gravitymaster 0]

I don't think Ron was saying someone would be beaten up if they said something to someones face. I think he's saying it's different if you have to deal with a persons response whatever that may be.

An example would be a newspaper reporter writing an article calling someone killed crossing the street a dumbass. I doubt that reporter would have the cajones to say that face to face with that persons family.

[Ron 10]

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Yeah, my beef's not with you man. I'm simply concerned about the fact that you seemed to be intimating that no one could criticize anyone in Iraq unless they were willing to do so to their face and that they should be afraid to do so because the contractor would then beat them up.

Well you could tell them you think they should not be there....They will not touch you for that.

You could tell them that you don't think the US should ever have gone in...again they will not do anything.

But you should be willing to tell them what you think to their face...I doubt he would call a contractor a coward to their face....then he should not talk big from behind a computer.

You can disagree with someone, but before you start to insult them you should think if you would say it TO them if they were right next to you...If not, then you maybe should not type it since you feel brave behind a keyboard.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[mr2mk1g 10]

There's one way that Superman doesn't end up in a spin.

And it's far easier to see it like that when I go back and read the newly elongated and edited version of the post I responded to.

I'm sure everyone's aware though that that is not the only way to take a suggestion that you're only "safe" if you hide behind a keyboard.

[Ron 10]

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So basically, you're saying that you have to be willing to DIE for everything you believe, or every opinion you have.

Where did I say you had to die? Where? Go ahead find it....Go ahead...Oh wait, you are making shit up again.

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I can believe someone's a coward, or a heartless bastard . . . but knowing that they might shoot me in the face might make it not worth saying directly to them.

Well you can think it all you want, but if you are unwilling to say your beef unless you are well hidden then you are a coward.

You can disagree with someone all day long, but before you insult them you should check to see if you are willing to say it TO them...If not, then maybe you should not act big and insult people.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Ron 10]

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>The contractors went of their own free will. Soldiers go on orders.

Both the US and the Philippines have volunteer armies. No one is forced to serve

Man you still just dance around.

There is a BIG difference between signing up to go to Iraq, and serving in the Army and being SENT there.

Your lack of anything even close to an understanding of the Military makes me think:

1. You are really clueless to how the Army works.

2. You are being obtuse to be argumentative.

I think its #2 since you are not an idiot.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Botellines 0]

My god, it is the first time you answer with more than a one line smart ass remark. Congratulations.

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Ron, strangely enough I concurr with Wendy's assesment. I understand your frustration with someone that shows hatred for anything USA, and is pro-Nambla.

Dude, i take personal offence in the pro-nambla statement (that is a personal attack, by the way). As i am sure you know (you seem very well informed about nambla), nambla is about men having sex with boys. i assure you i am not into men-men relationships, no matter the age. If you like men, come to spain where you will be able to marry freely a hairy guy, but please, do not put your frustation on my shoulders. If you do not like men, stop bringing the subject up, you are misleading us.
And do not make a fool of yourself insisting on the nambla thisg. Remember that there is a rule about paedophilia.

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I can only see the irony of not attacking the real notion of the true threat we live under, anyone, any race, anywhere in this world because these extremists.

It would be nice if you learn some history and did some thinking on your own instead of effortlessly taking everything for granted.
The threat we all live under is the greed, ego, and search for power of those who will never be killed in a war, or in the subway going to work.
Face it, neither you or me are one of them. I understand that you may be still paying for your green card, but no matter what you do with your life, you can do it knowing what you are doing and for what.
Did you know that the oil pipe contruction in Afghanistan is finally well and alive?

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Instead of offering a solution, it is effortless for him to be an armchair quarterback.

Dude, you are a pawn, you come and you go, you kill or be killed, and if you are a good person, your friends and family will remember you when you are gone, now or within 50 years. Don´t pretend that you are doing something for the world, or even for your country because truth is that the enemy today will be your friend tomorrow and viceversa. If you really want to do something, use your brain and offer solutions that will help short, medium, or even long term.

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I was surprised for him telling me that being part of the US Army and training in the US, with very few months under active duty, that this in no way counts for his superior knowledge of how our armed forces rigorously emphasize in teaching us the ROE's and the Geneva convention,

Sorry about that dude, i assumed back then that ROE and geneva convention were not being teached. Now i see it, they are being teached, but they are not being used.

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as well as procedures of reporting the misdeeds under armed conflict.

Again the procedures to report misdeeds must be great but what has been the biggest sentence for the worst misdeed?
Please, do answer this question.

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He obviously prefer to side with people who like to blow innocents and adjudicate all the innocent deaths to US personnel....

That is the problem Juanesky, that i do NOT adjudicate all the innocent deaths to the U.S personel (including mercenaries), only the "collateral damage", and the numbers are fucking scary. I am not using the 100.000+ figures, but the 10.000+ proven innocents figure, and it is not acceptable.

[kelel01 1]

Not everything has to spelled out in plain English. Some things are implied, particularly when referring to the people in question.

[Ron 10]

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Not everything has to spelled out in plain English. Some things are implied, particularly when referring to the people in question.

Still before you insult people, you should consider if the only reason you are brave enough to do it is because you are hidden behind a screen name.

If that is the only reason, then maybe you can voice your opinion without the insults.

There is a big difference between. "You should not be there", and "You are a coward".

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[kelel01 1]

I never called anyone a coward. I just disagree with your logic as to why other people shouldn't. I can say anything I want, anytime I want . . . and I can consider the possible repercussions before deciding if it's wise to do so. Internet = fewer repercussions (at least physically, usually). Calling a 6'5" marine a moron in person = probably not the best idea (just for example).

[Botellines 0]

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If you are going to call someone a "coward" you should be willing to do it TO them.

Being behind a keyboard some have the strength of knowing they never have to actually DO anything.

If a person is the kind of person that will only talk shit behind people's backs or from the saftey of a computer, then they should not talk shit at all.

Is it a better system to make snide remarks and act big when you are hiding behind a computer?

Considering that you don´t know me, that is a pretty adventurous assesment.
Just some notes about myself, i am not usually the kind of person that goes around telling people what i think about them, good or bad. But if someone asks, or bring up the conversation, i always say what i think.

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Ill give you a real world example.

I had a ex-GF and her current was visiting.
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BTW, I got the girl back.

Too bad you lost her to begin with. The point being?
You have to be consistent always, not just once. Read your posts about philipines...

[Botellines 0]

Hummm, I wonder if Juanesky would aproach me in a DZ and accuse me of sleeping with childs face to face.

[Ron 10]

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I never called anyone a coward. I just disagree with your logic as to why other people shouldn't. I can say anything I want, anytime I want . . . and I can consider the possible repercussions before deciding if it's wise to do so. Internet = fewer repercussions (at least physically, usually). Calling a 6'5" marine a moron in person = probably not the best idea (just for example).

A person who will insult someone only on line is a coward.

A wise person would not type something they would not say, nor say behind someones back something they would not say to their face.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Botellines 0]

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A person who will insult someone only on line is a coward.

Are you saying that i would only insult someone online?
Are you calling me coward?
Would you call me coward face to face?
And what about if i was a philipine soldier?

[Ron 10]

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Considering that you don´t know me, that is a pretty adventurous assesment.
Just some notes about myself, i am not usually the kind of person that goes around telling people what i think about them, good or bad. But if someone asks, or bring up the conversation, i always say what i think.

You were willing to call people cowards on line...And I very much doubt you would do so in person.

And I said as much.

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Too bad you lost her to begin with

My choice back then...I since got smarter.

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The point being?

Before you act all bad ass online you should think about if you have the real world balls to say it in person...And that was the whole point of this...You TYPE big going around calling contractors cowards, but I doubt you would TALK big if there were in front of you.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[juanesky 0]

Didn't you phrase "the kid is in heaven" for a minor being sexually abused a while back? It was not me, as a matter of fact I wrote Sanguiro on that one, to stop the pro-child sexers to prosper in this medium in that particular case....It would be nice if you actually learn about phsychiatry (as you are going to graduate in that area), and teach that is wrong for an adult to have/promote sex with a minor.

It was not my words, but as an advice,you should revise your own writings...and adhere to the rules.

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It would be nice if you learn some history and did some thinking on your own instead of effortlessly taking everything for granted.
The threat we all live under is the greed, ego, and search for power of those who will never be killed in a war, or in the subway going to work.
Face it, neither you or me are one of them. I understand that you may be still paying for your green card, but no matter what you do with your life, you can do it knowing what you are doing and for what.

It seems to me that you can not even remember the 2004 bombings in Spain. Which at the same time you are implying that this was not made by extremists, but of people of affluence in the western culture? Maybe you want to travel to London, and figure few things out about who is behind these terrorists attacks.

As far as your question about the sentencing of US soldiers according our law (not your personal choice for sentencing as it seems you don't have any experience or knowledge in this area) they have been carried out, in every single case a guilty verdict was found. This event by itself should be sufficient because it was done by the books, eventhough you seem to prefer to impose your own sentencing guidelines just like Charles Bronson....
and keep adjudicating all deaths of "innocent" (including those insurgents killed) to US forces and none to those "good people" from mostly neighbor countries without uniform who are used to going to places like open markets and blowing themselves up and killing 20-or more Iraqis (all unarmed) and offer no other statement but "Allah is great"....

But anyways, if you ever respond to a single question with objectiveness, I will be the first one to acknowledge it. Let me know if you want me to post the link to your comment about pedophilia.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[Ron 10]

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Are you saying that i would only insult someone online?

What I said was I doubt you would call a contractor a coward to their face.

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Are you calling me coward?

No, I am saying if you would not say what you type then you would be a coward. But if I were going to call you something...I would only type what I would be willing to say to you. Are you the same? If so would you tell a contractor that they are cowards?

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Would you call me coward face to face?

If I felt you were a coward, yes, I would have the balls to tell you face to face. Do you have the balls to call a contractor a coward face to face? If so, then you would not be a coward.

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And what about if i was a philipine soldier?

This has been covered, the soldier didn't choose to leave, some politician did. And yes that person is the terrorists bitch.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[kallend 2,148]

Who may call whom what under given circumstances is not relevant here.

It is clearly unacceptable for "liberators" to shoot unarmed civilians on the street for fear that they *might** be insurgents. This is the kind of behavior we saw in Nazi occupied Poland, Norway, France etc. during WWII. It is not what we expect from US or British troops.

I can understand the frustration of the US troops who have been put in an impossible situation thanks to a lying and incompetent administration. However, frustration is not an excuse.

The blame lies at the top, as always.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Darius11 12]

Ok this is just stupid.

So you would go up to an extremist terrorist who you know will kill you and say fuck you to his face?
I don't think any one would be that stupid.


How did this thread become about mercenaries who KILL FOR MONEY????????????????

Is this a spine? Or maybe you agree with everything else in the article but the comment about the mercenaries? I don’t know can’t read your mind.

I guess what I am surprised at is. The article covers how our troops have killed people more then a few times and just drove off like it was nothing. I don’t know about you but that piss's me off more then calling mercenaries a coward.

I not only think there cowards I think there scum. Money for blood I have no respect for that.
If they really believed in the so-called cause they would have joined right?

Ill say it again I have no respect and neither should any one else for a person who is willing to kill for money

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain