kelel01 1 #51 July 26, 2005 QuoteHow about I do some homework for you since you are inept or lazy. Um . . . proving that crime went down was YOUR job, not his. YOU'RE the one who wanted to prove it did. I love the little manipulative phrases you use to try to make people look stupid, thuogh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #52 July 26, 2005 QuoteNo massive terrorist attacks. Bush is elected. Massive terrorist attack. Pretty simple. Ah but you miss: * 1993: The first World Trade Center bombing * 1995: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia - A car bomb explodes outside of a US Military HQ, killing 5. * 1996: Dhahran, Saudi Arabia - A truck bomb explodes outside of the Khobar Towers complex, killing 19 Americans and injuring hundreds of others. * 1998: Almost simultanious explosion outside of the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Death toll: 254. * 2000: The USS Cole. Seventeen killed. Every single attack listed before GWB was even elected to the office of President, much less sworn in. Hell, looking at the numbers it looks like every single one of those attacks happened on Clinton's watch. Go fish Bill."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #53 July 26, 2005 QuoteUm . . . proving that crime went down was YOUR job, not his Actually I asked him to look into something since he does not believe anything I say. I fiqured if he read it for him self from a site he choose, he might learn somehting instead of just ignoring anything I type....I bet he does not even bother to go to the links I provide, or bother to do anything other than claim BS even before he reads it. QuoteI love the little manipulative phrases you use to try to make people look stupid, thuogh. Honey, I don't make them look stupid, they do that all by themselves."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #54 July 26, 2005 >Ah but you miss: No major ones inside the US (WTC bombing only killed six and failed miserably.) Then Bush is elected, and we have 3000 people die on 9/11. Simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #55 July 26, 2005 QuoteGod thats gotta sting being made to look stupid like that....Or are you STILL gonna claim there is no connection? I am asking you to prove there is a connection...so far you haven't done so. Well, you said it was there because you said it was simple.... Calling me stupid doesn't really help in proving your point, but hey, if it makes you feel better..... If you can't understand it really isn't that simple, well than this discussion is pretty much useless.... You do understand there are cities were the opposite happened? How do you then explain that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #56 July 26, 2005 QuoteYOU'RE the one who wanted to prove it did. I love the little manipulative phrases you use to try to make people look stupid, thuogh. LOL, I am sure he is more than willing to say them to my face too... I have no issue with allowing a guy sitting in his trailer feel grand about himself though.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #57 July 26, 2005 QuoteI have no issue with allowing a guy sitting in his trailer feel grand about himself though.... so much for taking any kind of high road, huh? What do you really feel about people that live in trailers? Especially skydivers in trailers? I'm anticipating your answer from on high. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #58 July 26, 2005 Quoteso much for taking any kind of high road, huh? I never do.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #59 July 26, 2005 QuoteI am asking you to prove there is a connection...so far you haven't done so. Well, you said it was there because you said it was simple.... Oh geeze. I guess you can't read facts huh? QuoteYou do understand there are cities were the opposite happened? How do you then explain that? OK now your turn to provide proof. Show me some."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #60 July 26, 2005 >since you are inept or lazy. Your one warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #61 July 26, 2005 QuoteLOL, I am sure he is more than willing to say them to my face too... Yep. I wonder if you are so brave? Quote I have no issue with allowing a guy sitting in his trailer feel grand about himself though.... Aw, I like living in a trailer on a DZ and making a ton of jumps a year, learning to fly a helicopter, and saving and investing while going to school full time. I like my life thanks."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #62 July 26, 2005 QuoteOh geeze. I guess you can't read facts huh? \ ohh, I agree that crime went down Ron, now all you have to do is back up your claim that it is due to the law. Just that it happened around the same time is not proof. But, don't let reality confuse you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #63 July 26, 2005 Quoteohh, I agree that crime went down Ron, now all you have to do is back up your claim that it is due to the law. Just that it happened around the same time is not proof. But, don't let reality confuse you. I guess you didn't bother to click on the links huh? The City thinks it was the reason, I think they would know.... Still waiting for you to provide proof of a city that passed a law like that and crime went up. Go ahead."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #64 July 26, 2005 Wheres his warning? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1751429#1751429"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #65 July 26, 2005 >Wheres his warning? You and he have been sniping at each other for the past half dozen posts. You were the first one to come out and directly call him inept/lazy. If you insist on him getting a warning for sniping, that means you get banned for sniping _and_ a PA - so be careful what you ask for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #66 July 26, 2005 That's pretty weak (confusing with reality is used all the time). I thought the indirect "trailer trash" reference was pretty low and a better candidate. In that, I'm not green, don't much care, just watching the fireworks and waiting for my big box of Tetris' to arrive. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #67 July 26, 2005 Quote>Wheres his warning? You and he have been sniping at each other for the past half dozen posts. You were the first one to come out and directly call him inept/lazy. If you insist on him getting a warning for sniping, that means you get banned for sniping _and_ a PA - so be careful what you ask for. Ohh! Slap! you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #68 July 26, 2005 QuoteNo major ones inside the US (WTC bombing only killed six and failed miserably.) Then Bush is elected, and we have 3000 people die on 9/11. Simple. Oh so you can't count the ones you don't want to count...I see it is simple. Like it or not it was a major attack on the US on its soil. And it was under Clinton..So much for your theory."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #69 July 26, 2005 QuoteThat's pretty weak (confusing with reality is used all the time). I thought the indirect "trailer trash" reference was pretty low and a better candidate. In that, I'm not green, don't much care, just watching the fireworks and waiting for my big box of Tetris' to arrive. Well, I'm conservative and he is liberal. So I guess I have to BE conservative."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #70 July 26, 2005 Well, like it or not, crime HAS continued in Kennesaw since the passing of that so-called "law". So your point is moot as well. Apparently severity (or volume of lives lost) counts for nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #71 July 26, 2005 QuoteWell, like it or not, crime HAS continued in Kennesaw since the passing of that so-called "law". So your point is moot as well. Apparently severity (or volume of lives lost) counts for nothing. Oh, so a reduction is not good enough for you? Well I guess we should just let rapists out since we can't stop them all."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #72 July 26, 2005 So an increase isn't good enough proof for you? It works the other way for you. Why the hypocrisy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #73 July 26, 2005 QuoteSo an increase isn't good enough proof for you? It works the other way for you. Why the hypocrisy? Basic math. If you have 2,242 people and 25,183 you can only compare RATE, not total number. Thats basic math and I suck at math. So with an increase of over 4 times the population the rate went down. The year after it went into effect the rate went down. You can't compare raw numbers with two different sources."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #74 July 26, 2005 It's still only correlary. And scientifically speaking (or is it mathematically), you can't PROVE a cause and effect relationship - you can only show a correlation. Other factors could be at play, as I suspect they are (ALONG with, not necessary excluding, the gun law). Although I would like to see some evidence from the other side. I'm neither anti- nor pro-gun (I am pro-regulation), so I find this debate interesting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #75 July 26, 2005 QuoteIt's still only correlary. And scientifically speaking (or is it mathematically), you can't PROVE a cause and effect relationship - you can only show a correlation. Other factors could be at play, as I suspect they are (ALONG with, not necessary excluding, the gun law). I'm really on Ron's side, but NICELY put. It's as possible the population increase was due to a whole lot of professionals moving into the town who didn't commit crimes, thus diluting the proportion (rate) of the criminals in town. But what if those professionals owned guns and put in nice security systems in their homes? Then he's right too. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
