BASE813 0 #1 July 22, 2005 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm Armed Police have also surrounded a Mosque in East London................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #3 July 22, 2005 Nice shootin'!!! Good riddance!!! mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #4 July 22, 2005 Let the hand-wringing and second-guessing beginMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #5 July 22, 2005 QuoteNice shootin'!!! Good riddance!!! mh . lets just hope he wasn't some idiot fare dodger or something. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE813 0 #6 July 22, 2005 the police have recently released a statement that the man shot was indeed linked to the secondary attack Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #7 July 22, 2005 interesting - just combing the news sites but can't find anything on that - got a link please mate? "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #8 July 22, 2005 I thought the cops in the UK didn't have guns?? or well...I do remember them carrying them last time I was in heathrow...I'm so confused. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE813 0 #9 July 22, 2005 sorry no link, just heard it from the BBC news on TV Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #10 July 23, 2005 QuoteLet the hand-wringing and second-guessing begin Not here How else do you take a potential suicide bomber who's packing into custody R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #11 July 23, 2005 Quotehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm Armed Police have also surrounded a Mosque in East London................ Right on!!! Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #12 July 23, 2005 Apparently he had no explosive device on him "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #13 July 23, 2005 QuoteI thought the cops in the UK didn't have guns?? or well...I do remember them carrying them last time I was in heathrow...I'm so confused. They are VERY fond of the MP-5 now. Especially in the airports. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HydroGuy 0 #14 July 23, 2005 According to the BBC website, the man shot and killed was a Brazilian with no ties to the bombing. The Met police and Scotland Yard are issuing apologies and calling it a tragedy. Looks like he was running because someone not in a uniform was chasing him with a gun. Imagine that. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stmGet in - Get off - Get away....repeat as neccessary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #15 July 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteI thought the cops in the UK didn't have guns?? or well...I do remember them carrying them last time I was in heathrow...I'm so confused. They are VERY fond of the MP-5 now. Especially in the airports. MMmmmmm....MP-5.... Wish I'd bought one before the 1994 GCA... I've been debating this situation with a co-worker. He's of the opinion that the dude shouldn't have run, but I'm of the opionion that cops/jails from where ever he came from are so unspeakably horrible that he thought he had a better chance by running for it. Live free or die. This is a shame. I'm sorry it happened. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #16 July 24, 2005 QuoteThe Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, said: "The police acted to do what they believed necessary to protect the lives of the public. "This tragedy has added another victim to the toll of deaths for which the terrorists bear responsibility." What does UK law say about the defence "I shot him because i thought he was a terrorist running away from me"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #17 July 24, 2005 QuoteLet the hand-wringing and second-guessing begin Second-guessing is no worse then jumping to conclusions before all the facts are in... And now that the facts are in, it turns out that he really wasn't a suicide bomber. So the hand-wringing and second-guessing were justified. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #18 July 24, 2005 QuoteI thought the cops in the UK didn't have guns?? I believe that the average street cop does not carry a gun. But they have special "armed response units" which keep an evil gun in a locked box in a car, which can be called upon when needed. So when an unarmed street cop is facing down an attacker with a knife, he says; "Pardon me, but would you please sit tight and do nothing for 10 minutes while I call my supervisor to authorize an armed response unit to respond to this scene?" You just can't have every cop carrying a gun - someone might get hurt! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #19 July 24, 2005 QuoteQuoteI thought the cops in the UK didn't have guns?? I believe that the average street cop does not carry a gun. But they have special "armed response units" which keep an evil gun in a locked box in a car, which can be called upon when needed. So when an unarmed street cop is facing down an attacker with a knife, he says; "Pardon me, but would you please sit tight and do nothing for 10 minutes while I call my supervisor to authorize an armed response unit to respond to this scene?" You just can't have every cop carrying a gun - someone might get hurt! Perhaps you just should move your ass out of the US from time to time? That might perhaps, perhaps, perhaps, enlighten your mind a little bit more You do not know anything about other countries, cultures. Culture? Do you even know how to write it? The average street cop until today was doing a god job w/o using any gun. Thx to the king, they have to learn a little bit. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #20 July 25, 2005 Hey John, How do you like being called ignorant, in a nice way?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #21 July 25, 2005 QuoteWhat does UK law say about the defence "I shot him because i thought he was a terrorist running away from me"? All that is required for lethal force to be legally employed in self defence is that the force is used to defend your own or another's life and that it is reasonable under all of the circumstances. Those circumstances include the fact that the day before, 4 blokes tried to blow up 3 trains and a bus in suicide attacks, they're still at large and 2 weeks ago 4 blokes killed 56 people and wounded hundreds others in an identical attack on 3 trains and a bus... oh, and that this guy was running towards a packed train after failing to stop when challenged by police who had been told to trail him because he was a terrorist suspect. I'm no jury but... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #22 July 25, 2005 I'd have to go with what the Brit lawyer said. When you don't have a lot of time to decide, you make the best decision you can. The mark of a good leadership is that there armed people don't get into too many situations that require that kind of quick decision, and that there's a constructive review of what happened. Sometimes shit happens. I remember reading an article by a guy who was arrested and held for nearly a month because he looked like an accused rapist. He was really pissed, until he saw the rapist -- they could have been twins, and they drove the same kind and color of car, too. Sometimes shit happens. But you try really hard to know your situations so that no one is in the shit's way as much as possible. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #23 July 25, 2005 >Perhaps you just should move your ass out of the US from time to time? Enough! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #24 July 25, 2005 QuoteHey John, How do you like being called ignorant, in a nice way? Oh, I can take it. I think readers here have seen enough of Cristalsabine to know what to make of her postings. I'll put my statements up against hers for critical review and comparison, any day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #25 July 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteI thought the cops in the UK didn't have guns?? JohnRich: I believe that the average street cop does not carry a gun. But they have special "armed response units" which keep an evil gun in a locked box in a car, which can be called upon when needed. So when an unarmed street cop is facing down an attacker with a knife, he says; "Pardon me, but would you please sit tight and do nothing for 10 minutes while I call my supervisor to authorize an armed response unit to respond to this scene?" You just can't have every cop carrying a gun - someone might get hurt! Cristalsabine: Perhaps you just should move your ass out of the US from time to time? That might perhaps, perhaps, perhaps, enlighten your mind a little bit more You do not know anything about other countries, cultures. Culture? Do you even know how to write it? The average street cop until today was doing a god job w/o using any gun. Hello sweetie-pie. Prepare to be humbled once again, by this ignorant Texas redneck. See these: Armed Response Units Unarmed UK Cop tactics Wikipedia - British Police Ahhhh, you see? Cowboy Johnny really does know what he's talking about. And he can even spell it. As for the latter part of my post; that was sarcasm, which I think everyone recognized as such, except perhaps you. Have a nice day, while you lick your wounds once again. (When are you going to learn not to challenge me in a debate?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
