Ron 10 #101 July 22, 2005 Quotebeing an American and being a Muslim are not mutually exclusive. Nationality and religion are independant things. did I ever say it was? But why are not Muslims in the US doing this?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #102 July 22, 2005 QuoteQuite right born out of desperation, the point made earlier in this thread. To say its the Muslim religion is not just a little distorted but totaly incorrect. Did I say it was JUST the Muslim religion? Nope...I asked why others are not doing it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #103 July 22, 2005 QuoteNow according to this statement people in deprived neighborhoods might go on to become suicide bombers or they might not. Thus US citizens in deprived neighborhoods might become suicide bombers - they might not. Then why are they not...Quit playing stupid word games and answer real questions."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #104 July 22, 2005 QuoteBut why are not Muslims in the US doing this? That's a good question. Someone help me out with the demographics here, I have a theory. What are the concentrations of Muslims in the US? Here we have large concentrations of Muslims in some parts of the country. The community is also very established and brought over much of the cultural identifiers from the countries of origin (much like there being a little china or the like in some cities). I think that perhaps radical extremism is much easier to ferment where there are other radical extremists to talk to. It’s a much bigger step to talk yourself into a suicide attack than it is for someone else to fill your mind with extremist propaganda. At least that's one theory... do the demographics of the US support it? Are Muslims found in small communities or are there millions of them in large concentrations? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #105 July 22, 2005 QuoteQuit playing stupid word games and answer real questions It wasn't a word game - you were challenging him to explain something he didn't say. QuoteThen why are they not... See my post above for one thought on it. Short answer is though, I don't know. I'm open to other's suggestions. The other note is that until 2 weeks ago we could have said the same about the UK... we don't know what the future might bring... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #106 July 22, 2005 Update: the police just released pictures of the 4 who attempted to further terrorist attacks on the tube yesterday: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/uk_london_bomb_suspects/html/1.stm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #107 July 22, 2005 QuoteWhat are the concentrations of Muslims in the US? Here we have large concentrations of Muslims in some parts of the country. Same here...We even have an area of the country that has a Muslim TV station (Cable). But we don't have them waltzing into a WalMart and going boom. The reason is two fold: 1. You touched on one...Religious extreme nutbags. They tell the young ones that it is the only way, and bonus they get a ticket to heaven and 72 Virgins!!!! I persoally don't like virgins and if you only have 72 you will go through them quickly and they are only vigins once....On deeper reflection its not that great of a deal. 2. They are poor. Well these young kids don't have 'x' box or new nikes. And in lower class areas religion is held in higher regard than in more afluent areas. Combine the two and you have poor people that are encouraged to go boom. Remove either and nothing happens. It takes desperation and a religious nutbag. However we have both poor and religious nutbags here in the States, yet we don't have this amount of problems. 1. The US is not THAT poor. 2. We do a much better job of keeping nutbags from coming in, or watchingthem once they are here. Like it or not, Islam has alot of nutbags. Maybe not more than any other religion...But add in that most are poor and you have a problem. You can give them all Playstations, but thats not really gonna work. You can't wipe out the religion. So what can you do? Well helping them economicly, and that includes removing nutbag dictators like Saddam, while removing nutbag religous types is the ONLY answer. I don't think Islam is violent...I DO think that it has one of the highest numbers of uninformed, uneducated, and poor. This is due to the area, and the oppressive governments. The fact that the religion thinks it should be THE LAW of the land even above "the laws of man" does not help in this issue. Add all these up and things go boom."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #108 July 23, 2005 Good grief, I never thought I'd see the day. I think I agree with almost everything you've written in that post! First I satart agreeing with Rhino now you! Right, I'm off to buy a Elephant badge and a NRA membership! When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #109 July 25, 2005 QuoteGood grief, I never thought I'd see the day. I think I agree with almost everything you've written in that post! First I satart agreeing with Rhino now you! It only hurts the first time. QuoteI'm off to buy a Elephant badge and a NRA membership! Funny enough, I have neither. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #110 July 25, 2005 QuoteCrozby.... Please explain how this HOME GROWN terrorist was caused "BUSH AND BLAIR's" war. I don't understand your point. Richard Reid was a British guy who claimed allegance to Osama Bin Laden and was caught trying to blow up an American airplane. What's that got to do with this discussion? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #111 July 25, 2005 QuoteI am trying not to change the subject of the thread, but i will bet money, certain people on DZ.com would be shouting murder right now if this happened in America. Or even (as ron said) on a war battlefield. It is a really nice double standard. The british police has taken full responsability of the mistake, and had offer an apology to the family of the deceased. I am yet to see the american government take responsability for anything done ( i mean, something negative, you guys take responsability for all the good deeds around the world, done by you or not) or even apologize for their actions. (Well, you can not apologize for something you take no responsability, so i guess that is okay) Big diference. Now, if british police where killing innocent on a daily basis, i would be the first to scream murder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #112 July 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteI am trying not to change the subject of the thread, but i will bet money, certain people on DZ.com would be shouting murder right now if this happened in America. Or even (as ron said) on a war battlefield. It is a really nice double standard. The british police has taken full responsability of the mistake, and had offer an apology to the family of the deceased. I am yet to see the american government take responsability for anything done ( i mean, something negative, you guys take responsability for all the good deeds around the world, done by you or not) or even apologize for their actions. (Well, you can not apologize for something you take no responsability, so i guess that is okay) Big diference. Now, if british police where killing innocent on a daily basis, i would be the first to scream murder. I know you wish that were true my friend, but making statements like that only proves one thing..... You boviously don't read to many newspapers, or watch the new for that matter. It doesn't surprise me. Now, back to the subject at hand. It is ironic that so many people, especially non americans, criticized the US Patriot act because it changed or bent some of the rules of the US constitution. But now there is a cop in London with Blood on his hand for MURDERING[/] some one in cold blood. Also, let it be know that in times of war laws and even the constitution can and has been bent. It is needed. If a country can not protect its people, what can it do? During WWI President Wilson (Suspend the freedom of speech in the USA) During the Civil War Licoln suspend Habias Corpes in Border States. So letting the FBI see what I checked out of the Library is no BFD to me. I think my Sig says enough. IMO - It is time we follow the "Liberal Dutch" Yes I can't believe I am saying that. They are going to begin DEPORTING Dutch Citicens (muslim) who are running their mouths with Hate speech in their Mosques. Until the Muslim Community Will start to point out the bad apples, whether its for fear or allegence, we need to take action to find and destroy the enemies among us. read this and think about it! http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson200507220816.asp ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
