China threatens nuclear attack on US

[EricTheRed 0]

“If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China’s territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons,”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1695360,00.html

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[storm1977 0]

Based on the article that was an assesment by one person and NOT the policy of the Chinese Gov.

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[Gravitymaster 0]

Anybody remember when it was China developed the technology for their missille guidence systems to reach the U.S.?

[storm1977 0]

probably when they launched there first missile into space a few months back.

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[storm1977 0]

http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/shenzhou5_launch_031014.html

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[EricTheRed 0]

About the same time frame that they learned to clone the navigational systems and radar system of the Russian MIGs that they bought. the Chinese are pretty damn good at copying things (and not too bad at engineering either)

The fact that under Clinton, we fucked up does not excuse the current administration from ANY responsibility that they have to protect our nation.

Believe it or not, Bill has not been president for a few years now.

Who do you blame for 2000-2005 on?

It's time for all you Clinton haters to start looking at the future, not the past.

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[storm1977 0]

Wait... where did Clinton and Bush come into this?

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[ViperPilot 0]

The first testing of a missile capable of reaching CONUS was in the early 70's. The missile didn't become operational until 1980. It's the DF-5 if you're interested.

[Gravitymaster 0]

It goes back a little farther than that.

http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~wbova/fn/gov/china_missle2.htm

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But Clinton and Gore have much explaining to do. Both knew about the Los Alamos espionage in 1995, yet they continued to entertain Chinese generals by allowing them to tour nuclear facilities and gladly received financial donations from Beijing and its friends. A year after the theft of nuclear secrets was discovered, instead of exposing the spies, Clinton made it easier for Beijing agents. He transferred licensing requirements from the State to the sales-oriented Commerce Department. This accelerated the pace at which Beijing obtained dual-use technology to build nuclear weapons and missiles.

Next came the most significant damage to U.S. security since the days of the Rosenbergs. Dr. Wah Lim, then a Loral Space and Communications scientist, headed a team of scientists studying Beijing's rocket failures when he called his assistant to fax to China a sensitive accident-analysis report that intelligence agents say greatly enhanced the accuracy of Beijing's missiles. Lim's attorney calls it a "technical violation." But Lim, now with Hughes Electronics, is the target of a U.S. Justice probe.

Even so, Clinton's deadly game of mixing fund-raising and commerce doesn't let the Republicans off the hook. The damage began in the Reagan years, according to Reagan insiders, who say the trade-lobby effort led by Henry Kissinger, secretary of state under Richard Nixon, and Alexander Haig, Reagan's first-term secretary of state, seriously compromised U.S. national security. Kissinger and Haig refused to return Insight's calls to discuss this.

In 1982 a wary President Reagan had created a security-review team consisting of representatives of the National Security Council, FBI, CIA and Department of Defense to review business deals involving possible military dual-use technology. This put an anticommunist intelligence player at the negotiating table. The Senior Interdepartmental Group/International Economic Policy was not popular with Kissinger's pro-China lobby, says a former member of the group, who spoke with Insight on condition of anonymity.

By 1985, with his anticommunist efforts under furious attack from the left as well as by powerful U.S. corporations trying to reap quick profits from China deals, the Reagan administration dismantled the Interdepartmental Group and "separated the national-security community from the international economic community," the source tells Insight. "Reagan was listening to the complaints in the business community that national security was preempting or dominating their quest for exports and jobs, and the result is what you see today. The business voice eventually became dominant, and that's a recipe for disaster."

Thor Ronay, former chief of staff for the General Service Administration under Reagan and now with the Center for Security Policy, says Reagan shouldn't be held responsible. He was not aware of many of the dual-use deals, Ronay says. When Reagan was told by NSC about a deal he sided with national security, Ronay says. The problem became that the decisions on dual-use were being made at lower levels within the State Department even as Reagan's NSC staff was all but turned over to career State Department people with little experience in intelligence matters. And in cases in which Reagan had to be made aware of possible dual-use technology transfers to China, he often had to weigh the discomforts such transfers might cause the Soviet Union along the Sino-Soviet border.

[StreetScooby 5]

But, he is a senior general in their military...

We are all engines of karma

[Gravitymaster 0]

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About the same time frame that they learned to clone the navigational systems and radar system of the Russian MIGs that they bought. the Chinese are pretty damn good at copying things (and not too bad at engineering either)

The fact that under Clinton, we fucked up does not excuse the current administration from ANY responsibility that they have to protect our nation.

Believe it or not, Bill has not been president for a few years now.

Who do you blame for 2000-2005 on?

It's time for all you Clinton haters to start looking at the future, not the past.

And it's time for the Clinton adulators to quit denying he did some pretty shady things. The Clinton Administrations Ideology held that the U.S. should not be the only Superpower and that one of the ways to reduce the probability of war was to arm your enemies so they wouldn't feel as threatened. Thats what got us where we are today whether you want to deal with it or not. Not hate, just fact.

[Casurf1978 0]

Agreed. On a lighter note if they did attack the safest place would be close to a Wal-Mart. Last thing the Chinese want to do is blow up a Wal-Mart.

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Agreed. On a lighter note if they did attack the safest place would be close to a Wal-Mart. Last thing the Chinese want to do is blow up a Wal-Mart.

I'm going to apply for a part time job there immediately. That should get me with the "IN's"

[storm1977 0]

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Agreed. On a lighter note if they did attack the safest place would be close to a Wal-Mart. Last thing the Chinese want to do is blow up a Wal-Mart.

Good point!! LOL

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[EricTheRed 0]

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Wait... where did Clinton and Bush come into this?

From here...

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But Clinton and Gore have much explaining to do. Both knew about the Los Alamos espionage in 1995, yet they continued to entertain Chinese generals by allowing them to tour nuclear facilities and gladly received financial donations from Beijing and its friends. A year after the theft of nuclear secrets was discovered, instead of exposing the spies, Clinton made it easier for Beijing agents. He transferred licensing requirements from the State to the sales-oriented Commerce Department. This accelerated the pace at which Beijing obtained dual-use technology to build nuclear weapons and missiles.

I knew this was coming, just tried to head it off at the point.

Yes Gravity master, Clinton was a slut, and a snake and sold out our country in some areas.

The fire sale of our nation continues under the current admin, they just keep reducing the prices along with the erosion of our freedoms.

The answer?

Stop apologizing for their F-ups and try to elect someone that will actually represent the PEOPLE of the US.

Not corporations that shelter their profits offshore, not Mexico, not Saudi Arabia, and not China.

Get your own back bone, stop using someone else's rhetoric.
(not directed at you, storm, just a general statement to those that think your "party" is more important than your country.)

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