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Quoteand i suppose you think we've placed the Israeli woman who has died on the bus in London there on purpose to make it more convincing?
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What does that have to do with Al-Queida?
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Skyrad 0
Theres no such thing as Al Quieda in the manisfestation that the UK and US would have us belive. Its just a bogeyman umberella title to cover dozens or Islamic groups accross the world. If we now are begining to see groups calling themselves Al Quaida they should have 'Made in the US/UK' stamped on their arses. Al Quieda just means 'The Base' and orignialy refered to a hostel in Peshawa in Pakistan that fighters would take RnR at or use to travel to and from the war against the Russians in Afghanistan. It suits the US's purpose to have a mastermind controling a highly organised international terrorist organisation just as it does for the UK and the Russians. I wouldn't be suprised to find out that the London bombers were acting on their own 'opperationally' made the explosives themselves having been indoctrinated at some Wahibist school in Pakistan.
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falxori 0
QuoteI wouldn't be suprised to find out that the London bombers were acting on their own 'opperationally' made the explosives themselves having been indoctrinated at some Wahibist school in Pakistan.
which is a lot scarier...
one of terror's goals: have no clear return address...
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well, I dont thinnk anyone seriously believes that Osama is micro-managing every terrorist attack. All Al quaeda is is a network of seperrate & independent terrorist cells. Which may or may not receive weapons/funding from one another.
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Where did they get the C4?
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mr2mk1g 10
Apparently it wasn't C4. They made their explosives from stuff they bought from the chemists, there was an article about it this morning on the radio. See here:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4684869.stm
In fact... they think they've arrested the guy who made it: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162599,00.html
In fact... they think they've arrested the guy who made it: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162599,00.html
Michele 1
QuoteThat's right., Michelle,
Uh oh...me thinks perhaps a fixation is developing....
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QuoteI wouldn't be suprised to find out that the London bombers were acting on their own 'opperationally' made the explosives themselves having been indoctrinated at some Wahibist school in Pakistan.
I bet they were too. Just like skyrad said, there's a hundred different organizations with several cells. They just have at least one common goal, so they unite under the umbrella term, Al Qaeda. So when people use that term, it's really refering to numerous, autonomous groups.
The correct spelling of the terrorist group is
Al Qaeda, and it means " the Base". This organization was a brainchild of Osama Bin Laden when he lived in Peshawar, Pakistan. He had built himself a home there, and had his family brought to live there after Saudia Arabia made it clear they didnt want him or the help of The Base.
He named his home " The Lion's Den"
Al Qaeda, and it means " the Base". This organization was a brainchild of Osama Bin Laden when he lived in Peshawar, Pakistan. He had built himself a home there, and had his family brought to live there after Saudia Arabia made it clear they didnt want him or the help of The Base.
He named his home " The Lion's Den"
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QuoteThe correct spelling of the terrorist group is...Al Qaeda...
I'm really not trying to be a smart ass here, so please take this as an honest questions.
Did Osama Bin Laden really name this organization in our letters? Wouldn't he have named it in Arabic, and hence there wouldn't actually be a "correct" spelling in English (since we're just trying to phonetically simulate the arabic words)?
If he really did give it a formal name with letters in our language, I think it speaks volumes about his thinking.
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The information I gave was gleaned months ago from an interview to an American News reporter done when Osama was in "The Lion's Den".
I can only assume ( not having spoken with the reporter) that this information was Osama's interpreter's wording. I do ( from other things studied) feel it is an accurate english Translation...extremely so, but thats another story.
Thats all I can tell you at this point, but I think your question is a valid one.
Bill Cole
I can only assume ( not having spoken with the reporter) that this information was Osama's interpreter's wording. I do ( from other things studied) feel it is an accurate english Translation...extremely so, but thats another story.
Thats all I can tell you at this point, but I think your question is a valid one.
Bill Cole
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Theres no such thing as Al Quieda in the manisfestation that the UK and US would have us belive. Its just a bogeyman umberella title to cover dozens or Islamic groups accross the world. If we now are begining to see groups calling themselves Al Quaida they should have 'Made in the US/UK' stamped on their arses. Al Quieda just means 'The Base' and orignialy refered to a hostel in Peshawa in Pakistan that fighters would take RnR at or use to travel to and from the war against the Russians in Afghanistan. It suits the US's purpose to have a mastermind controling a highly organised international terrorist organisation just as it does for the UK and the Russians. I wouldn't be suprised to find out that the London bombers were acting on their own 'opperationally' made the explosives themselves having been indoctrinated at some Wahibist school in Pakistan.
If I recall correctly, you were raised a Muslim? I'm curious if you have any ideas on how to deal with the Wahabis, etc., and their violent brand of Islam.
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It was Peter Arnett who did that interview. Saw it once, gave me the chills looking at Osama's eyes which were very calm and collective during the whole thing.
Arnett has some pretty big cajones for doing that interview.
Arnett has some pretty big cajones for doing that interview.
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QuoteQuoteThe correct spelling of the terrorist group is...Al Qaeda...
Did Osama Bin Laden really name this organization in our letters? Wouldn't he have named it in Arabic, and hence there wouldn't actually be a "correct" spelling in English (since we're just trying to phonetically simulate the arabic words)?
Tom -
You're right about the transliteration issue.
As far as I am aware, Osama (or Usama) bin Laden has made no official English transliteration.
Linguists debate about whether there is a formal "i" sound in Arabic, so that's why the "Al Qa'eda" spelling is sometimes touted as 'most correct' to name that part of the global salafist jihad.
Similar observation w/r/t to spelling the Libyan leader's name, who at one point did indicate a prefered Romanized transliteration (which I don't remember, anyone?).
It's also an issue with Asian languages and leaders, e.g., South Korea's President Roh Moo-hyun (his preference, using one system) objects to the CIA's use of "No Mu-hyun" (using a different system.)
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Remster 30
Quotewhich I don't remember, anyone?).
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It definitely WASN'T Peter Arnett that did the interview. If I recall, his name was Robert Rusk...or very close to that.
I have it at home and will look it up.
Bill Cole
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Arnett has some pretty big cajones for doing that interview.
I agree. He's an asshat, but I'll give credit where it's due. Same with Geraldo in Afghanistan. Grandstanding, but putting himself at serious risk to get the story. First-class journalism will always get my respect, even if I despise the person who wrote it.
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First-class journalism will always get my respect,
What's "journalism"?
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Skyrad 0
I've had an interesting week, my father is in a state of shock as are the vast majority of British Muslims, he kept asking me why did tey do such a thing. Actualy i was quite shocked to find out that he holds republican views on the war in Iraq!
Today 500 Islamic clerics from Mosques across Britan are issuing a Fatwah condeming the suicide bombings as Un Islamic and a mortal sin. The Muslim council of Britan are strongly condeming the crimes and along with the Mosques are asking people to go to the police with any information that they have. At least one of the families of the suicide bombers has appologised to the public for the action of their son, they had no idea of what he was doing and have described what he did as an evil act, they have furthur asked the community to help the police.
I think the way forwards is to deport the extreamists from overseas that preach hate and to prosectute those that are home grown. I'd like to see Islam put back into the hands to the moderates. That means along with the legal approch of cutting off the mouth piece of the 'radicals' we have to also make young British Muslims feel accepted as Brits. I think that the government is on the right tracks but we also need to have more informants from within the Muslim community in Britan.
As for the Wahabi influence they need to be stomped on in Pakistan, Eygypt, Yemen and elsewhere not by us or the US but by the respective governments. Unfortunatly the rot has been allowed to develop over the last two decades and they have been pretty cleaver in gaining positions of influence. I always knew that this day would come, anyone who went to a mosque in the 80's could have forseen it. I remember discussing it with my brother back in '85.
Today 500 Islamic clerics from Mosques across Britan are issuing a Fatwah condeming the suicide bombings as Un Islamic and a mortal sin. The Muslim council of Britan are strongly condeming the crimes and along with the Mosques are asking people to go to the police with any information that they have. At least one of the families of the suicide bombers has appologised to the public for the action of their son, they had no idea of what he was doing and have described what he did as an evil act, they have furthur asked the community to help the police.
I think the way forwards is to deport the extreamists from overseas that preach hate and to prosectute those that are home grown. I'd like to see Islam put back into the hands to the moderates. That means along with the legal approch of cutting off the mouth piece of the 'radicals' we have to also make young British Muslims feel accepted as Brits. I think that the government is on the right tracks but we also need to have more informants from within the Muslim community in Britan.
As for the Wahabi influence they need to be stomped on in Pakistan, Eygypt, Yemen and elsewhere not by us or the US but by the respective governments. Unfortunatly the rot has been allowed to develop over the last two decades and they have been pretty cleaver in gaining positions of influence. I always knew that this day would come, anyone who went to a mosque in the 80's could have forseen it. I remember discussing it with my brother back in '85.
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