jumper03 0 #1 July 13, 2005 I was perusing a magazine the other day and came across a fact that kind made me cringe. In the last budget that Bush submitted and that was passed - on the revenue side, the administration included $2.45 bn from sale of rights to drill in ANWR. Now, to drill in ANWR right now, some laws would have to be changed... So do we chalk this up to arrogance - they are GOING to change the law? or ignorance - just plain economic dummies?Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #2 July 13, 2005 QuoteI was perusing a magazine the other day and came across a fact that kind made me cringe. In the last budget that Bush submitted and that was passed - on the revenue side, the administration included $2.45 bn from sale of rights to drill in ANWR. Now, to drill in ANWR right now, some laws would have to be changed... So do we chalk this up to arrogance - they are GOING to change the law? or ignorance - just plain economic dummies? Neither, it's Smoke and Mirrors, like the rest of this administrations fiscal policies..... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #3 July 13, 2005 QuoteI was perusing a magazine the other day and came across a fact that kind made me cringe. In the last budget that Bush submitted and that was passed - on the revenue side, the administration included $2.45 bn from sale of rights to drill in ANWR. Now, to drill in ANWR right now, some laws would have to be changed... So do we chalk this up to arrogance - they are GOING to change the law? or ignorance - just plain economic dummies? Do you recall which laws need to be changed? I can assure you if they are state laws, I just got back from 2 weeks in Alaska and it isn't going to be a problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #4 July 13, 2005 QuoteDo you recall which laws need to be changed? I can assure you if they are state laws, I just got back from 2 weeks in Alaska and it isn't going to be a problem. Well, since it's a national wilderness area, I'm assuming federal laws. but that's beside the point - they included it as a certain revenue when it's not certain. Was it to make the budget look better? To say I'm thoroughly disgusted with this is an understatement but I'm quickly realizing it's been par for the course all along.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #5 July 13, 2005 I love people that Bitch and moan about $3/gal gas, and then Bitch and moan when something is being done about it because they don't agree politically with this administration.... You guys make my day!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #6 July 13, 2005 QuoteI love people that Bitch and moan about $3/gal gas, and then Bitch and moan when something is being done about it because they don't agree politically with this administration.... You guys make my day!!!! where have I ever bitched and moaned about $3 gas? I voted for the guy back in '00. I don't agree with shoddy economics.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #7 July 13, 2005 Well, based on your comments on the thread about Brazil moving away from Imported oil, it implied you didn't like the idea of expensive gas. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #8 July 13, 2005 QuoteWell, based on your comments on the thread about Brazil moving away from Imported oil, it implied you didn't like the idea of expensive gas. I don't like the idea of fossil fuel when there are better alternatives. And Brazil was moving towards ethanol, not just away from imported oil.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #9 July 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteWell, based on your comments on the thread about Brazil moving away from Imported oil, it implied you didn't like the idea of expensive gas. I don't like the idea of fossil fuel when there are better alternatives. And Brazil was moving towards ethanol, not just away from imported oil. this is true, however, Brazil started moving toward ethanol 20+ yrs ago. Ethanol is a good idea, however, that is a long term plan currently in Bush's energy bill. Ethanol could not help much in the next 10 yrs. Anwar would be more of a mid range idea... As for short term ideas... there are none other than the Oil reserve (which I would oppose). ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #10 July 13, 2005 all this is fine and dandy, but it still leaves us with the fact that the Admin. included $2.45bn in expected revenue into the budget that is NOT garaunteed. That is what I find hard to swallow here.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,545 #11 July 13, 2005 QuoteI love people that Bitch and moan about $3/gal gas, and then Bitch and moan when something is being done about it because they don't agree politically with this administration.... I don't like expensive gas (I live with it, though). But that doesn't mean that whatever the government decides to do about it is OK, either. They could decide to invade an oil-producing country with the intent of taking over their reserves -- would that be OK? Not to me. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #12 July 13, 2005 Take all this talk of expensive gas and invading countries somewhere else....Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,545 #13 July 13, 2005 Bite me, rock boy This is SC, and I'm typing from America Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #14 July 13, 2005 QuoteBite me, rock boy This is SC, and I'm typing from America Wendy W. OOOhh - can I bite you too?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #15 July 13, 2005 QuoteI love people that Bitch and moan about $3/gal gas, and then Bitch and moan when something is being done about it because they don't agree politically with this administration.... You guys make my day!!!! Ya, and getting out of the MIddle East wouldn't do anything like it did the Gulf War.... no. Truth is, OPEC's gas hikes are a direct result of us fucking with their land and their religion. We get out, prices drop. Why don't we get out, quit spending 1 billion $ per week and watch gas prices drop? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #16 July 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteI love people that Bitch and moan about $3/gal gas, and then Bitch and moan when something is being done about it because they don't agree politically with this administration.... You guys make my day!!!! Ya, and getting out of the MIddle East wouldn't do anything like it did the Gulf War.... no. Truth is, OPEC's gas hikes are a direct result of us fucking with their land and their religion. We get out, prices drop. Why don't we get out, quit spending 1 billion $ per week and watch gas prices drop? Ohhhhh... this must be the latest lefty carrot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #17 July 13, 2005 QuoteThey could decide to invade an oil-producing country with the intent of taking over their reserves -- would that be OK? Not to me. In all honesty, if taking over the oil reserves were the goal (I don't think that's the current US goal in the middle east), I'd actually find it refreshing to just say "we want that oil to run our big, fat, polluting, American cars, and we're going to roll our tanks over there and take it." -- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 July 13, 2005 Pretty soon you will have to start fighting the Chinese if you take a course of action like that..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #19 July 14, 2005 speaking of which, I don't think the US Gov is going to allow A chinese comany to buy unical. Why do we have to fight the chinese though???? They have nearly no natural resources. I think you are saying the chinese will soon be invading to take other peoples resources. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #20 July 14, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteI love people that Bitch and moan about $3/gal gas, and then Bitch and moan when something is being done about it because they don't agree politically with this administration.... You guys make my day!!!! Ya, and getting out of the MIddle East wouldn't do anything like it did the Gulf War.... no. Truth is, OPEC's gas hikes are a direct result of us fucking with their land and their religion. We get out, prices drop. Why don't we get out, quit spending 1 billion $ per week and watch gas prices drop? Ohhhhh... this must be the latest lefty carrot. SO you agree then. It's not a carrot, as they're not enticing us; it's leverage to get us to quit leveraging them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #21 July 14, 2005 They already are. Huge dispute between China and Japan going on right now regarding gas drilling rights. China claims rights well past the mid-point of the sea they border with Japan (...to a point where that continental shelf drops off quickly, basically all the shallow stuff). China is already drilling in "Japanese" waters. Japan just today gave permission to one of their companies to start drilling in the same area.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #22 July 14, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI love people that Bitch and moan about $3/gal gas, and then Bitch and moan when something is being done about it because they don't agree politically with this administration.... You guys make my day!!!! Ya, and getting out of the MIddle East wouldn't do anything like it did the Gulf War.... no. Truth is, OPEC's gas hikes are a direct result of us fucking with their land and their religion. We get out, prices drop. Why don't we get out, quit spending 1 billion $ per week and watch gas prices drop? Ohhhhh... this must be the latest lefty carrot. SO you agree then. It's not a carrot, as they're not enticing us; it's leverage to get us to quit leveraging them. Tell you what. Post any credible source that states oil prices will drop if we leave Iraq and I'll consider agreeing with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #23 July 15, 2005 The law will change, I hope.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #24 July 15, 2005 QuoteTruth is, OPEC's gas hikes are a direct result of us fucking with their land and their religion. no they keep fucking themselves. They need to control the extremist with in their religion. Or face the music. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #25 July 17, 2005 QuoteThe law will change, I hope. Then you and I disagree. I think that revenue needs to be removed from the budget.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
