Blair seeks to tackle extremism

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4678821.stm

Blair is one smart bastard... Always liked him..

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4678821.stm

Blair is one smart bastard... Always liked him..

Blair calls terrorists "Criminals", which is very smart. GWB declared war on them, which implies the terrorists are warriors, giving them a status they don't deserve.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rhino 0]

Damn man.. We agree again..

I think the world should replace the word terrorists with the word morons.. or jack asses..

Headlines (More jack asses were killed in Iraq today)

[CornishChris 5]

I have never liked Blair, I find him untrustworthy and a powermonger but I think he has handled the last few days really well. I also agree that these people are criminals and that escalating them to anything higher only furthers their cause.

if only someone could teach him how to speak in public without pausing incessantly - you could drive a bus through some of his hesitations!

CJP

Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people

[Stumpy 284]

And i really wish he would stop with the grin. Makes me want to punch him.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[mr2mk1g 10]

whereas his wife looks like she has been punched.

[CornishChris 5]

Cherie Blair has a face like a Bulldog licking piss off a thistle.

CJP

Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people

[mr2mk1g 10]

That's a pretty good description.

I always describe it as someone who wasn't born with the ability to smile and yet is giving it a damned good go by following someone else's instructions.

They probably went something like: "put your teath together then pull your lips back to expose them. Try to pull the corners of your mouth back and make your eyes a little wider". Sounds all good in theory but just ends up making you look a bit demented.

[EricTheRed 0]

I heard part of that address.

Good job! And good hunting...

illegible usually

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I would like to know how he plans on doing all this when:


a) the vast majority of muslims who are moderate, are scared/casting a blind eye against the more extreme fanatacists who operate in their midsts (just ask how many death threats Iqbal Sacranie has had this month from his so called "own people" because of his moderate views to give you an idea of what moderate Muslims - aware or not of the more extreme elements around them - are up against).

b) deporting people or tightening borders - how will that stem the root cause of this? I certainly believe any British citizen preaching hate against those that live here - Muslim, Christian, Jewish or anything extremists alike - should have their citizenship revoked and get the boot - but i'll be the first to admit thats a short term solution. After all, you might boot people out, but that just drives things under ground and knocks it off the radar - how is that going to stop people blowing themselves up and fitting in because they successful keep their views to themselves and their close friends?

c) the angry whites who want to kick off with Muslims because of whats happened, fuelling further racial tension/hatred, and causing the cyclical problem to continue to manifest itself.

I don't know - i know we need to do something but i just don't have a clue how this is going to work when there is far more going on in the background (the war in Iraq being the biggie).

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I would like to know how he plans on doing all this when:

It has to start somewhere..

[Skyrad 0]

You raise some good and interesting points. i grew up as a British Muslim later becoming a Christian. One of the things that turned me to going to a Church instead of a Mosque was that in the UK until recent times the service was given in languages other than English. Also the radicals used to get way to much say. This in some part is because they proberbly felt encouraged to some degree by the UK government.
We trained them (Islamic fighters) in Pakistan against the Russians during the 80's and we took the PLOs side letting them set up their offices in green Street London before they even recognised Israel. People would collect for the Jihad in Chechnya, the former Yugoslavia and Afganistan (Russian war) openly after services. Part of the prblem is that Islam really is a religion of peace and the vast majority of its followers are very peacefull law abiding people. This meant that when they saw the Wahibist elements reciving tacit support from the UK Gov they felt helpless to do anything about these extreamists who even the Police were unable to touch.
Al Majaroun and people like Abu Hamza speading hate amoungst the Muslim community like the IRA spread fear amoungst the community that they purported to represent. Except the Islamic extreamists don't even claim that they represent Muslims as they know they have no support amoungst their community. (Even the suicide bombers familes appartently didn't know. Other suicide bombers families have been open about their support for the actions of their dead)
As the backlash against Muslims in the UK takes hold this will only help further to isolate the community at a time when the UK needs their help the most. I have spoken to many Muslims since last week and heard dozens more phoning into LBC every single one of them has been disgusted by the bombings and all agreeing that these men will burn in hell, many saying they hope they do.
i think that Blair is doing the right thing by not giving them any status other than criminals. As for the rest the UK needs to support and encourage moderate and liberal Muslims to route out the evil that has been hiding out in the open in its midst for years.
it is also time to destroy the Multiultral society myth that has been perpetrated by the liberal left in this country for to long now. It is time to be more like America (God did I just say that????) we have to have one culture, a British culture that is strong and encompases all races but is British first and formost. Multicultralism is destroying the UK and its time it was ditched. Imigrants should all speak English and learn about this country's history swear allegency to H.M. or fuck off and find somewhere else to live.

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It is time to be more like America (God did I just say that????) we have to have one culture, a British culture that is strong and encompases all races but is British first and formost.

Unfortunately, that culture will be a moving target. As people move, British culture will change. Whether it's multiculturalism or simply changing culture, it's not static.

Somehow, bringing identification with beingBritishers (or USians), rather than with one's own ethnic/political/religious/sports group is the target. But, of course, as the population grows, that gets harder and harder, and some people have to form smaller groups so they don't feel lost.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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You put it better than me Wendy, but getting people to identify with being british is what I meant.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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I don't think there is anything wrong with multiculturalism. It's naive of us to think that with the mass migrations of different races and cultures these days, that suddently, upon entering a geographical border or country, they lose their traditions and cultures from 1000s of years of history and upbringing and become one homogenous group of "Brits" or "US citizens". In fact, if you listen to what the BNP and far right organisations want, it's very much in line with what you have said (please note im not at all saying you believe in that stuff, i'm just saying they are calling for an end to the (so called) "multicultural experiment").

What i think we need, as a group of people (i.e. humans) is tolerance of one another. Accept the fact we are different and tolerate that.
I believe tolerance will only come out of open and strong communities, and it is here i think we need to concentrate. If one group - racial, ethnic or religious - is distanced or picked upon, either through their own inactions or the fact they are ghettoised or stigmatised into being that way by others - we are going to have problems. Maybe not with people blowing themselves up, but we are going to have problems that will manifest into grievances, which could then turn into something worse.

Rather than try to make everyone the same culturally, which is unrealistic, we should be looking at making sure we have communities that interact strongly with one another and are tolerant of one another. The only thing every community in this country should not tolerate, are those groups on the fringes who are preaching intolerance and hate themselves and trying to undermine the stable existence we are all trying to eek out for ourselves.

"Skydiving is a door"
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