Did Rove commit treason?

[quade 4]

Can you possibly imagine if the political parties were reversed on this and the outrage that would have came from the ultra-right wing media outlets such as Limbaugh? I find it hilarious when Limbaugh refers to "The Media" as if he's not a part of it.

Please . . .

"The Media" simply is not one thing. Don't for a minute think that "The Media" only refers to "The Left".

The perfect definition of Legal or Illegal in this story is not my concern here. Just as not all things that are legal are safe and not all things that as unsafe are illegal; not all things that are legal are moral and this is a story about high level people in The White House being scumbags and for two years denying that.

Rove made his own hell.
I find it impossible to believe that GWB didn't know about it.

The ONLY even semi-honorable thing for GWB to do now is ask for Rove's resignation.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Violating law and committing a crime are NOT the same thing, not even close to being the same thing.....

Secondly, like I said before he never fully named her, which seems to be what teh law is against. Intent was quite obvious though.

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As week two of the scandal that wasn't continues to unfold

bolding mine....Looks like you are just like those traitor, idiot, left, bleading heart, liberal journalists.....you have made up your mind before the investigation is completed...

[TheAnvil 0]

Oh I think not. I have, unlike the leftmedia, not found Rove guilty without benefit of evidence.

Let's look at a couple of things here:

- the leftmedia has yet to provide evidence that Plame was a covert agent
- the leftmedia have bombarded us with headlines insinuating that Rove 'outed' Plame, who was a covert agent
- the leftmedia cannot prove that Rove 'outed' Plame to media sources, nonetheless they've bombareded us as stated above

So tell me, my dear SkyDekker, given the aforementioned facts - and facts, being the most stubborn of things, they are - why should I do anything but consider the media's Rove-frenzy anything but a partisan attack on the Bush administration? Why, praytell? Why?

Certainly not for any great care about safeguarding classified material and U.S. secrets, I assure you, for if that were the case then they would still be in a frenzy over the Sandy Berger imbroglio. Hmmm...come to think of it, they might have made a big deal out of the Berger Incident. Or Leahy's indiscretion with classified material.

So why, SkyDekker? Quade? Why?

I'll tell you why. 'Tis because the leftists are feeling a bit impotent these days and have decided to make one of the GOP's most effective political strategists a target in a vain attempt to make themselves feel good. In the process, they're making fools of themselves and giving me a great chuckle.



When the evidence has come forth, I'll make my decision. Until then I'll continue laughing at leftists and their Rove-theories. Theories based upon nothing factual, I might add.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[billvon 3,090]

>When the evidence has come forth, I'll make my decision.

Me too. Until then, the frantic backpedaling of the Bush administration on ethics, the rapid historical revisions by Rove and company, and the panic of the right-wing media over the antics of one of their icons is fun to watch. If only there was a democrat to blame, all would be well, and the right wing would not have to question any of their saints.

>- the leftmedia

This would be the leftmedia currently in jail protecting their white house sources?

[IanHarrop 42]

I've heard the arguments :

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- the leftmedia has yet to provide evidence that Plame was a covert agent

There is a reporter sitting in jail because she won't identify her source for a story she didn't write about outing Plame. Doesn't this lend credibility to Plame being a covert agent?

It seems to me that more than just the "left media" believe it to be true.

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

[wmw999 2,565]

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We'll hear more and more in the upcoming days about how she had no cover anyway

We're hearing it. Not the "had no cover" as much as the "she wasn't covert any more."

Of course, at the time of the leak the concern was that people whom she had worked with during the covert part of her career would now be exposed. But that doesn't matter any more since it doesn't look like anyone important has died over it.

Kind of like it's OK to turn low as long as you get away with it.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[narcimund 0]

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he never fully named her, which seems to be what teh law is against.

I'm curious. Does this mean that if I point to a covert CIA and say, "he's a covert CIA agent" then I'm not breaking the law?

What if I say, "The person whose name rhymes with 'gallery blame' is a covert CIA agent"?

What if I say, "The person whose name is 'emalp eirelav' backwards" is a covert CIA agent"?

What if I say her name but my pronunciation is poor?

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[lawrocket 3]

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There is a reporter sitting in jail because she won't identify her source for a story she didn't write about outing Plame.

I'm wondering why nobdy seems to be attacking or going after Robert Novak. Why the hell is he getting off scot free?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Michele 1]

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'm wondering why nobdy seems to be attacking or going after Robert Novak. Why the hell is he getting off scot free?

And I am wondering, as well as that, why no-one's mentioning that Plame "outed" herself, if I understand it correctly, back in the '00 election campaign when she donated to Gore's campaign?

And I'm wondering if anyone thinks Joe Wilson is completely credible?

And I'm wondering why people aren't realizing that Deepthroat did something pretty bad, too, if the same standards are held...and yet, those who reported on that episode weren't thrown in jail. Rather, they were venerated.

Lots of things to wonder about, it would seem.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Good questions Narci, don't have the answer for you....

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I'll tell you why. 'Tis because the leftists are feeling a bit impotent these days and have decided to make one of the GOP's most effective political strategists a target in a vain attempt to make themselves feel good.

And that off course is based on facts.....

Funny how you need very specific facts when it doesn't supoprt your position, but no facts at all when it does.

I think Rove is an incredibly smart person. Funny how Bush's nickname for him refers to flowers growing from shit.....

Like I have said before, he will never be convicted of a crime, Bush will never fire him (he is one of the main if not only reasons Bush has a job), but this time he does smell like the shit and not the flower.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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he never fully named her, which seems to be what teh law is against.

I'm curious. Does this mean that if I point to a covert CIA and say, "he's a covert CIA agent" then I'm not breaking the law?

What if I say, "The person whose name rhymes with 'gallery blame' is a covert CIA agent"?

What if I say, "The person whose name is 'emalp eirelav' backwards" is a covert CIA agent"?

What if I say her name but my pronunciation is poor?

What if you say "That person is a covert CIA Agent" and they aren't? Did you just expose them?

[TheAnvil 0]

You deny that Rove is a top GOP political strategist and the target of a smear campaign by the left?

You deny that leftists are feeling a bit impotent these days, having a minority in the House, Senate, and a Republican in the White House?

You deny that taking out Rove politically would make the political left of the country feel good?

Oh dear me....

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[rehmwa 2]

It's funny, if the left would just lay back and take the high road, the right will self destruct quicker than they are with the constant attacks (reasonable and unreasonable, it just doesn't stop).

Once a party gets into full power, they become spenders. Then the public doesn't want them anymore. It happened with the left, it's happening with the right. The pendulum swings because people are people regardless of their stated politics. And politicians become politicians because they are greedier than the normal Joe, and once they get power they lose perspective.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Gravitymaster 0]

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You deny that Rove is a top GOP political strategist and the target of a smear campaign by the left?

You deny that leftists are feeling a bit impotent these days, having a minority in the House, Senate, and a Republican in the White House?

You deny that taking out Rove politically would make the political left of the country feel good?

Oh dear me....

Rove is just the "Summer Story" in DC. Happens every year whether it's O.J., Chandra Levy, etc. This too will pass.

[TheAnvil 0]

Perhaps...good chance of it in fact...but I don't see the leftists taking the high road anytime soon.

'tis true that the Republicans nowdays sure as HELL aren't being fiscal conservatives. Infuriating actually.

What's up w/your new avatar?

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[cloudseeker2001 0]

Rove did not do anything Dick(head) Cheney did not tell him to do. They knew exactly what they were saying and exactly how to blow her cover and they did it as a "get back". Would you like a piece of YellowCake?

"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"

[billvon 3,090]

>You deny that Rove is a top GOP political strategist and the
>target of a smear campaign by the left?

See if you can identify this left wing smearer:

"I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors."

[AlexCrowley 0]

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>You deny that Rove is a top GOP political strategist and the
>target of a smear campaign by the left?

See if you can identify this left wing smearer:

"I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors."

Heh heh heh.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[TheAnvil 0]

I'm drawing a blank. Could be GWB or Rove himself. Or perhaps it was El Jefe Clintonista.

What source did Rove identify, out of curiosity? We all know it was not Valerie Plame.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[billvon 3,090]

>What source did Rove identify, out of curiosity? We all know it was
>not Valerie Plame.

So he said that, did he? Well, issue resolved! Move along, nothing to see here. I'm sure it won't happen again. Ignore the problem. There's nothing to . . .

Hey, look, a Supreme Court nominee! Over there! Look over there!

[vmsfreaky1 0]

Nope not a traitor.

I think he's one slippery fucker and I'm stoked he's in the shit now.

Gotta get rid of that guy, he could be lableled the sole reason that GWB is in that white house place.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Hey, look, a Supreme Court nominee! Over there! Look over there!

Quite a little conspiracy you have going on there. Are you suggesting O'Conner is retiring to help Bush out or are you suggesting Bush put pressure on her to retire?

If Bush was really trying to use her retirement to distract attention, don't you think he would have nominated a more controversial candidate? Perhaps Gonzales? The lefties would have chewed on him like a fat, dumb, dopey dog with a big bone.

[TheAnvil 0]

You have evidence he 'outed' a covert CIA agent by the name of Valerie Plame? Odd you have evidence the prosecutor does not. Perhaps you should give him a buzz.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[wmw999 2,565]

Do you have evidence that OJ killed Nicole?

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)